Yep, that sounds about right :thumbup:
robert frost and eric densen innocent of all charges...
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Yep, that sounds about right :thumbup:
Brian...tap, tap, tap. I think that covers it pretty accurately. I believe the Christian Bible says something like...you reap what you sow.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
master_cueist...You're new here, so we'll cut you a little slack...this time. Williebetmore probably has shoes older than you! LOL 
Add to that, he is one of the most respected posters on this site, and very knowledgeable on a wide variety of topic...but especially anything pool! You can be pretty certain that police depts were not always "hard wired to the local police department"...and we're likely talking about at least 40-50 years ago (depending on how old WBM was talking about in his post). Lastly, a poolplayer's first decent cue is a treasured item (mine wasn't that expensive, but I still have it, 40 yrs later). Losing it in that manner was a traumatic experience. Let's just leave it at that, and be grateful that nowadays pawn shops are better regulated, regarding stolen property.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Add to that, he is one of the most respected posters on this site, and very knowledgeable on a wide variety of topic...but especially anything pool! You can be pretty certain that police depts were not always "hard wired to the local police department"...and we're likely talking about at least 40-50 years ago (depending on how old WBM was talking about in his post). Lastly, a poolplayer's first decent cue is a treasured item (mine wasn't that expensive, but I still have it, 40 yrs later). Losing it in that manner was a traumatic experience. Let's just leave it at that, and be grateful that nowadays pawn shops are better regulated, regarding stolen property. Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Brian,
You just won the reading comprehension prize! It's amazing how two threads (many, many posts) of pure vitriol can be summarized so succinctly. Good work.
Karl
p.s. That Scott Lee fellow is pretty sharp, too.
if we were the kind of people to split hairs
Seems to cover things nicely. Might as well point out a few little details about the legal system. I have never heard of anyone being found innocent. When you enter a courtroom you are legally not guilty of any crime before the court at the moment. Either the prosecution makes their case or you remain not guilty. There is a huge difference between "not guilty in a court of law" or "not guilty under the law" and innocent as oj could tell us.
Many many years ago I was found guilty when I was innocent of the charge or anything related. Learned my lesson, I skated on the same charge years later when I was guilty as hell! I'd learned how to play the game when I was screwed the first time.
Hu
Seems to cover things nicely. Might as well point out a few little details about the legal system. I have never heard of anyone being found innocent. When you enter a courtroom you are legally not guilty of any crime before the court at the moment. Either the prosecution makes their case or you remain not guilty. There is a huge difference between "not guilty in a court of law" or "not guilty under the law" and innocent as oj could tell us.
Many many years ago I was found guilty when I was innocent of the charge or anything related. Learned my lesson, I skated on the same charge years later when I was guilty as hell! I'd learned how to play the game when I was screwed the first time.
Hu
I had a feeling all of this would blow over.
Innocent until proven guilty *****es.
Innocent until proven guilty *****es.
RobertFrost
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i think it is funny listening to a bunch of league players try to put this story together....the point is a judge read and listened to the story and found me innocent....but I'm sure you know more than him from sitting in front of your computer...can any of you draw your ball? if so let's play some....
Robert you got more class than that last post. Don't let strangers get the best of you big dog. Don't forget league players keep the lights on in the pool room.
If I can pay off in stolen merchandise then I am happy to play. ooops, gotta steal something first.....
Can I just pay off in counterfeit 100s instead, I have a really great printer. Surely you can get the federal government to exchange them for the real thing later.
I'd like to play some for a couple million if that's cool. Oh and you have to post your end in real $.
What Would Jesus Do?
HE wouldn't gamble in the first place cuz he's always got the nuts and he doesn't hustle. How can you beat a guy who can come back from the dead? Secondly if he did gamble he would donate the winnings the poor and make the loser into a disciple. Thirdly he'd lecture Bill Grassley on bearing false witness and recite the parable of the rich man passing easier through the eye of a needle than gaining entrance to Heaven. And HE would have told you to give the cues back with Zero expectation of reward.
But most importantly Jesus would not be vindictive over it all. Praise be to Jesus and pass the popcorn.
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I offered polite and simple advice earlier, but I can now not let this go. You can have the 7-out and the break in integrity from many of these "league players" here. I may not be able draw my ball, but you sir are far from free of guilt here. Please stack up all your pool accomplishments and see how much of a man that makes you measure up to. I hope you let this go before you burn more bridges than you need. Nothing good can come of it, but you keep "drawing your ball". Realize with a different court ruling, someone else may have been doing it for you.
Lets see, you knew the cues were stolen. You offered them to the legal owner for a price. He offered you a finder's fee. You explained that the fee wasn't enough considering the value of his property which you were holding. He called the police. He got his property back without paying you a dime. You went through the hassle and expense of a lawyer and got to spend some time in jail.
If you figure its a winner for you, that's great. Keep winning like that.
Oh. I figure you play pool better than me. I think you don't think so good. I think I can give you the five out on thinking.
Kevin
Seems like the original post was to ensure everyone knew the outcome of the issue and by everything I read it seems like the right decision. I can also understand being pissed about having to even deal with the legal system.
On the other hand I don't think I would use the worlds largest pool forum to call out league players if you are trying to clear your name..... just a thought.
On the other hand I don't think I would use the worlds largest pool forum to call out league players if you are trying to clear your name..... just a thought.
uhhhh you brought up your god first. I was just looking to see where your head was at. Keep trying to do the right thing, you might get there.
Oh and here is a free tip. Surround yourself with people that actually have a checking account so you don't wind up spending two days sleeping on a cold floor, drinking powdered milk and liquid eggs. I guess the bail bondsman didn't care if you could draw your ball. I don't care either. Reread this thread and it will tell you where having the 'I can draw my ball' mentality will get you in life.
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Being the nobody that I am, I'll throw my 2 cents worth in and probably get flamed by those who have a different opinion than I do. I suppose my take on it is this, if I was the one the got ripped off for $11k worth of cues and was given the opportunity to recover them for $2.5k, I would call that a win. Stuck $2.5k vs. stuck $11k is a no-brainer I think. I would just be thankful to not be on the hook for all of the loss. But that's me I suppose.
Despite this being an all-around bad situation for everyone involved, I think what happened here was a flat out punk move by the "owner" of the cues in question to get the cops involved. This guy went out of his way to try and make things right and was on the hook for cash owed to him only to be thanked by a huge legal slap in the face for his time. He could have just as easily sold the cues for bigger money than the $2500 he felt he was due and never thought twice about it. Instead, he was trying to do the right thing for everyone involved. Sicking the cops on the situation is nothing but a punk move by someone so caught up in the money that he can't see what the "right" thing to do was and give the guy a bone for helping get his stuff back. Greed is tough to deal with sometimes.
Despite this being an all-around bad situation for everyone involved, I think what happened here was a flat out punk move by the "owner" of the cues in question to get the cops involved. This guy went out of his way to try and make things right and was on the hook for cash owed to him only to be thanked by a huge legal slap in the face for his time. He could have just as easily sold the cues for bigger money than the $2500 he felt he was due and never thought twice about it. Instead, he was trying to do the right thing for everyone involved. Sicking the cops on the situation is nothing but a punk move by someone so caught up in the money that he can't see what the "right" thing to do was and give the guy a bone for helping get his stuff back. Greed is tough to deal with sometimes.
nypoolshootr
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I just read the other post. Seems Mr. Grassley had a change of heart and got the cops involved or he planned to bust you all along and set you up from the jump.
Only question I have is how did you accquire the cues? If you were looking to get them to their rightful owner and didn't know they were stolen when you got them, then asking for a few bucks ($2K) for them is reasonable.
Obviously if it is money that you wanted you could have sold them for a lot more than $2K. Why would you risk getting busted by resellling them to the man who was robbed? That would be moronic and you certainly would easily fetch twice what you received from anyone buying them. Stolen or not , that's some nice wood.
So how did you come to get these cues again?
So, leaving the police completely out it your idea of a socially acceptable situation is to take stolen property for money owed and the get the owner of that property to pay off the debt by purchasing his property back?
So if my buddy steals your 40k car and gives it me for the 10k he owes me the you will be totally cool handing me 10k in cash to get your car back without involving anyone else?
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I don't know anyone involved in this, but your (RobertFrost) actions sound shady. When you receive stolen property, no matter how much you paid for it or how ignorant you were of the crime, you are still not entitled to one red cent of the money you put out. This is pretty common knowledge. It sucks if you get caught on that end of the stick, but it's the law. As soon as you were aware that the property was stolen you should have notified the police, turned the cues over to them and let them resolve the situation from there. Not carry on shady negotiations for a reward. Dude, no matter how you try to paint this picture, you definitely don't come out of it smelling like roses. I think the Christian thing to do WAS call the cops on you and not beat the living sh*t out of you for holding the cues ransom like most people would have done. And this opinion is based on reading your side of the story. I would like to know what the actual wording of the court documents say. :angel2:
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Well, since I don't own a 40k car, so I will relate this with something that actually happened to me. I lost my wallet once a long time ago. It just so happened that it was right after I cashed a check for a lot of work I had done. Long story short, there was over 3k cash in my wallet when I lost it.
About 5 hours of looking yielded nothing except some poison ivy. Someone knocked on my door later that night and when I opened it, there was a guy there holding my wallet. He said he had found it in the parking lot. Well, I didn't hesitate to pull out $100 bill and hand it to the guy. I didn't even count it until he was gone, and yes, it was all there minus the hundred I gave him. To this day, I still feel bad for not giving the guy more and that was almost 20 years ago. Now what kind of bung-holio would I have been if I would have called the cops and sicked them on this guy for hunting me down to give back my wallet? In my opinion, that is exactly what the guy did, hence my opinion of the situation.
I do appreciate what you are trying to say though. However, I respectfully disagree.
This is a great example of why it isn't right.
I'm sure it would be quite different if it happened to him like you just explained.
I would have gave the guy his cues back and went looking for the guy who stiffed me for $11,000 dollars.
I'm sure if he would have done what the guy did with your wallet this thread would never have happened, the cops never would have been called and he probably would have got the $500 Bill offered for the reward.