Ron V aiming system video and diagrams

Cuemaster98 said:
Still need to pay your dues..but at least your learning curve is cut shorter. You get to shoot with a "Third Eye"...how cool is that:).

Duc.
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Of course. Stan, Hal and Ron all miss shots. If not, they would be world champs 10x over. Yet they know where to aim. Aiming is important, but stroke is too. And position, speed control, kicking, banking, handling pressure, etc etc etc.
 
JoeyA said:
Geeze, Andrew. That is some AWESOME stuff you do with graphics. :thumbup: thornbergandforester.com
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Thank you Joey! Like I said, I made it in like 8 minutes, but it should hopefully get the job done. Its more concept that creative. Thanks again. I would rep you, but it wont let me :)
 
cleary said:
and here is an animation of what happens if you just pivot your arm.

Pretty much what dave did in his videos, only a graphical representation with reference points that make sense.

http://www.andrewcleary.com/PIVOT2_SM.mov
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I suspect Patrick would describe this as a fixed pivot (because the bridge, which serves as the point of rotation of the cue, is stationary during the pivot). Would others describe this animation as a moving pivot? Could you create a similar animation that would show what is different with a hip pivot instead?

Thanks for posting the animation. This is the kind of thing that helps people clarify what they really mean.

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
I suspect Patrick would describe this as a fixed pivot (because the bridge, which serves as the point of rotation of the cue, is stationary during the pivot). Would others describe this animation as a moving pivot? Could you create a similar animation that would show what is different with a hip pivot instead?

Thanks for posting the animation. This is the kind of thing that helps people clarify what they really mean.

Regards,
Dave
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I did in post #276

Here are both:
Body pivot with moving pivot:
http://www.andrewcleary.com/PIVOT_SM.mov
arm pivot with stationary pivot
http://www.andrewcleary.com/PIVOT2_SM.mov
 
wath the little white dot

cleary said:
I did in post #276

Here are both:
Body pivot with moving pivot:
http://www.andrewcleary.com/PIVOT_SM.mov
arm pivot with stationary pivot
http://www.andrewcleary.com/PIVOT2_SM.mov
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Sorry about that. But isn't the amount of cue rotation identical in both? I think it is still appropriate to describe the motion as rotation relative to a fixed bridge-hand pivot. In one case the cue is also sliding while rotating, but the bridge pivot point is still fixed. Regardless, the resulting line of aim is the same, right?

Thanks again for BOTH animations.

Regards,
Dave
 
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dr_dave said:
Sorry about that. But isn't the cue motion identical in both? I think it is still appropriate to describe the motion as rotation relative to a fixed bridge-hand pivot. In one case the cue is also sliding while rotating, but the bridge pivot point is still fixed.

Thanks again for BOTH animations.

Regards,
Dave
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The cue motion is not identical. If you are familiar with the animation world, this might make sense.

(animation one, I changed the rotation and position of the cue with the white dot being the pivot point. The pivot point starts at the bridge and the natural movement of your body shifting its weight pulls your cue slightly back, which moves the anchor point. That is the reason for the white dot on the cue. To show it moving. The cue is rotating through that white point, while moving back so that it stays fixed on the bridge.

So if you see someone do this, you would have no idea (which is why you couldnt see it in dave's webcam.) unless there is a reference point on the cue for the pivot point.
 
JoeyInCali said:
What's the pivot point of my car's tires.
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That depends on your frame of reference. If the car, it is the axle or spindle; if the ground, it is the point of contact between the tire and the road, which is constantly changing. Regardless, the tire still rotates the same amount. :rolleyes:

Regards,
Dave
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Where's my money at?
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Some might think (based on the animations) that it should be in Patrick's pocket, but I suspect you think otherwise. It all depends on your definitions of "pivot point," "rotation," "pocket," and "is." :p

Dave
 
dr_dave said:
That depends on your frame of reference. If the car, it is the axle or spindle; if the ground, it is the point of contact between the tire and the road, which is constantly changing. Regardless, the tire still rotates the same amount. :rolleyes:

Regards,
Dave
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I need a diagram and a movie.
 
dr_dave said:
Some might think (based on the animations) that it should be in Patrick's pocket, but I suspect you think otherwise. It all depends on your definitions of "pivot point," "rotation," "pocket," and "is." :p

Dave
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If you can watch those animations and not clearly see that the pivot point is moving (THE WHITE DOT ON THE CUE)... you will from now on be known as mr_dave.
 
dr_dave said:
Some might think (based on the animations) that it should be in Patrick's pocket, but I suspect you think otherwise. It all depends on your definitions of "pivot point," "rotation," "pocket," and "is." :p

Dave
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PJ's bet was the two pivots had to be congruent because the pivot point was identical. The bridge never moves - but you get two different results, which was my point-- because the pivot point is not the same. The cue might be on that point, but it's not pivoting (spinning on an axis) around that point...hence, it's not the same.

Good thing this was figured out ahead of time, I would have been alone in a pool hall in OH should I have headed out there. Saved myself a trip. Also saved me from making another video with close-ups of the move.
 
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ATTENTION EVERYONE................ i think we are at a pivotal moment here:speechless: :banghead: :slap:
 
So is Patrick going to FedEx cash or do the paypal thing? FedEx might be better, paypal takes a big chunk and the wont be able to transfer his cue electronically.
 
stan shuffett said:
Dick, So, you know for a fact that Eddie Taylor was never exposed to any diamond systems.
I do not know what Eddie did.......Someone may chime in with a fact or 2 about Eddie's play.
Most bank players are aware of systems.....Diamond systems are references......Your premise is that Eddie had zero references as far as the diamonds are concerned......
Stan
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Stan,

As I said before, I am older than dirt, and I know for a fact that Eddie Taylor poo- poohed
the diamond system. He knew the effects of humidity, english used, and a dozen other factors, effected where the OB ended up. I know, that you know,
most of ET's shots wound up in the hole. If you want to say I don't have a clue, or I'm lying, thats certainly your prerogative. What about Willie and his disdain for aiming systems ? I know I'm in hostile territory, and I know I'm old school, but I'm going down swinging. It's been fun tweaking the "pool engineers". :)

Dick
 
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