Ruling body to launch inquiry after allegations of match-fixing

alstl said:
It is plausible that Burnett was the max fixer and the winner wasn't involved. The guy evidently did a lousy job of dumping since everybody noticed.
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I think this is the case. I don't believe that they are investigating Maguire at all, its all on Burnett.
 
I have a hard time believing Maguire would be part of this. He seems too established to try and make a quick couple of bucks like this.

After the Quinten Hahn episode years back, why would any top snooker player risk everything for one score? Even with lower payouts these days, it seems stupid for Maguire to risk everything when he shoots well enough to place high in tournements most times.

Of course, American football players get busted for selling weed and bringing guns into nightclubs when they're getting paid millions so who knows...
 
worriedbeef said:
you can watch the frame of snooker where the apparent strange misses and oddball shot selections took place here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ryPHSJfCo9o

burnett actually knew about the alleged flurry of betting on the final score when he attempted the final black, so he claims that that intense pressure to pot the eight to prove he wasn't a cheat was what made him ultimately miss it so badly.

there's a few other strange incidents as well which arguably look a bit suspicious, like when he takes on the blue ball from on the bottom cushion. he needed to miss it I think accordding to the allegations - but it was such a difficult shot he probably thought he wasn't gonna pocket it anyway. so it probably surprised him when it did go in.

To be honest it really is difficult to say one way or another. For every slightly suspect shot or strange shot choice, there's an equally plausible argument to explain it.

There's a lot of useful information in all the youtube comments btw for those who are interested.
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Thanks for providing this video for us to see the final game of the match in question. After watching it, I would be hard pressed to say a fix was in. He did look nervous but yet attempted to shoot the correct shot each time. He made balls and tried to play safeties. He did hit the last seven very poorly, but I've seen far worse from very good players before, who were laboring under pressure.
 
forget video footage that you can debate ad nauseum, that will tell you nothing, the truth lies at the bookies,

math doesn't lie
 
If there ever is another American Tour, there has to be severe punishment for unbecoming conduct by players for it to survive. Things like are what cast shadows over this sport. I would recommend random drug testing also.
 
Remember years ago there was a winner take all tournament in Vegas? I think the grand prize was around $100,000. There were 10 top name players and low and behold the player with the highest odds to win was the one who won the tournament. You could bet on the tournament. The commentator on TV who I think was Jim Mataya said he couldn't believe that the loing shot won. I think it was machine gun Lou who won. Everyone knows there was a lot of dumping in that one. They never held that tournament again.

I am not sure but I think he went off on 200 to 1.

Even a dumb a$$ like me could figure that one out.

Now that read another post I think it was LeBron thatwon that tournament.
 
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TX Poolnut said:
Yup. I wish there was video of the Hall/LeBron match on YouTube. I'd like to see that match.
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I talk about it in Pool Wars. I was the ref, standing right next to the table. ;)
 
smashmouth said:
they fight like hell to keep snooker from expanding, to keep the rules defence oriented, to ignore the youth, to fly in the face of modern marketing, etc......
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On BBC, a commentator on the final between Shaun Murphy and Marco Fu remarked that at the age 13 Shaun Murphy received 5,000 pounds (IIRC) from that famous pool shoe manufacturer Doc Martens:grin: :grin: :grin:
 
TX Poolnut said:
You can't get a line on pro pool in Las Vegas. I wonder why. :( :shakehead:
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Probably because I've seen money games fixed between D, C, B and A players. I actually can't imagine throwing a game. Winning is much more important to me than money. I've never cared about money in anything and it shows concerning the sports of choice for me over my life: pool, powerlifting, freestyle wrestling, softball and skiing. Notice that softball is the only team only sport in that list. During my softball years I stayed as DH which made it more of singular game for me. You could argue with freestyle wrestling, but when you're on the mat you have no teammates to save you.

Of those sports there is no comparison to practice in softball and pool. When I walked onto the field to take BP (I did it alone with a pitching machine) I would turn the lights on and I really felt like a big league hitter. The same goes for pool. When I practice I generally practice alone so I can hit as many as possible. When I'd take BP I'd hit about 400 balls a day. When I practice pool I'd imagine that I hit well over a thousand balls. Both left me tired and happy

*edit* I've been drinking which is the reason why there is a story to go with a simple response.
 
Grady said:
Some of the American players have thrown matches while in Europe, too. I was there and when I brought it to the attention of the tournament officials, the WPA, the UPA and the bookmakers, they just ignored me. They wouldn't even chastise the players. When players from other countries saw how lenient the officials were, they threw contests, too.
I see no reason to state the offenders names here but they admitted to me that they had done this, not that I needed any verification other than what I had seen.
IMHO players who dump matches in tournaments should be banned for life. Gambling is an entirely different matter. Some stakehorses need to be be dumped. The ones I refer too, are a blight in our sport. They arrange dumps, robberies and provide drugs for pool players.Merry Christmas, everyone.
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This is why dumping will always continue in pool with this mentality. Dumping is a black and white issue. It is wrong, never right. The player that dumps is a blight to the sport. If you have a problem with some of these stakehorses that you speak of, there are other ways to deal with them. I could go on and on but most likely I am speaking to deaf ears.
 
watchez said:
This is why dumping will always continue in pool with this mentality. Dumping is a black and white issue. It is wrong, never right. The player that dumps is a blight to the sport. If you have a problem with some of these stakehorses that you speak of, there are other ways to deal with them. I could go on and on but most likely I am speaking to deaf ears.
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There are of course the players that make deals with players to rob the backer. I've seen this as well.

I can remember one tournament I was just watching. I was willing to dump every penny I had into one player I saw there. As my bids went up he looked at me and shaked his head no and I stopped bidding. He wasn't dumping. He came up and said that he was playing crappy and he didn't want me wasting my money. I looked up to him after that because instead of basking in the glow of people dishing out money he chose to be honest.
 
there is no risk for players to dump it happens all the time in pool as well, when ever they get an opportunity with the bookies. the reason why cause there is no money in the games

in the players lounge during the maguire/burnett match everyone was laughing while the match was being played cause they knew what was happening. betting accounts set up 3 days before in glasgow only to bet on 9-3 both players are great friends are scottish and practise together. um are people really that naive? there is no money in snooker anymore

the facts are as bad a performance as burnett put in they wont ban him and they wont ever ban a snooker player for fixing cause you cant prove it, so it will continue to happen alot in future as it happened in past even top players will be implecated like they have been in the past year including a former world champ. how many people here would not dump a game for a 100k us$
 
chamillionare said:
how many people here would not dump a game for a 100k us$
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Not I

Winning is something you take to the grave. Have you ever seen a hearse towing a UHaul?
 
there was no fix there, he barely made the brown, missed shape on the blue-did pot it well all things considered, missed the pink and fluked it in the middle. and dogged the black-he twisted his body when he mis hit the black. They need to chill over there or stop gambling.

a guy doggs a ball and they threaten maguires career, he aint dumb enough to do that, to be sure there is fixing all the time but that right there wasnt. no way!! that particular thing didnt look like a dump, but i wsnt there either, Im aware of how it goes and it shouldnt be noticable, but that didnt seem like a dump to me, i have seen other matches that looked alot more suspeciuos.
 
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chamillionare said:
there is no risk for players to dump it happens all the time in pool as well, when ever they get an opportunity with the bookies. the reason why cause there is no money in the games

in the players lounge during the maguire/burnett match everyone was laughing while the match was being played cause they knew what was happening. betting accounts set up 3 days before in glasgow only to bet on 9-3 both players are great friends are scottish and practise together. um are people really that naive? there is no money in snooker anymore

the facts are as bad a performance as burnett put in they wont ban him and they wont ever ban a snooker player for fixing cause you cant prove it, so it will continue to happen alot in future as it happened in past even top players will be implecated like they have been in the past year including a former world champ. how many people here would not dump a game for a 100k us$
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Were you there or is this just hearsay? Why don't you tell us why you got banned from the pro snooker tour? Or do you just prefer to talk about other guys?
 
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