Sales / Wanted rules Update

bumps

I don't have a position on the eBay links ... but I have read this suggestion before and rather like it:
Only the original poster can post in his or her thread. Why not limit the questions/comments to PMs?
I also like the suggestions re: production vs. customs and/or price categories. If the categories are added, one could be "private." I hope I'm not suggesting something that would be too difficult.
Regardless, I'm grateful for AZ and will keep coming back!
Thanks,
Karl
 
Nobody on the planet can question Kevin's integrity, nor the quality of his cues. (Love the TAD's!)

When I first read the Forum Rules Update I didn't even think of the Kevin's of the world; I thought of the flakes who have never contributed to AZ yet start a thread here about every piece of junk they put on Ebay.

So it might be throwing out the baby with the bathwater, but how else can we stop the annoying "my warped shaft is now on eBay" threads??

-von

Kevin,,you know i am with you,,1000%,,,you are the best and and honest seller is what we need more of,,

BR
Ken
 
Thank you guys. The support in this thread and in PM is truly touching. I love this place too. I have since day one (I was selling the Szam on eBay, it was Wednesday and the cue was at like $38,000, a neighbor had Googled Gus Szamboti and the AZ thread in reaction to my eBay auction came up...he was all "they are talking about your cue on this site!!!!!") I really appreciate the supportive words. AZ has always felt like a community to me and this morning it felt more like that schoolroom when the teacher was making a decision "for the good of all" that felt directed unfairly at me. Like most of us, I'm always curious about what stuff actually sells for and I post my eBay auction as much to show and support the value of collectable cues as it is to pimp my sale.

Anyway, thanks that feels great,

Kevin
Lol we got it, you sold a 55,ooo dollar szamboti....lol. We got it:thumbup:

I read this whole thread and I am not sure what is going on except Kevin sold a 55,000 dollar Gus......
 
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Yep

I said most Members, I didn't say all. ( I should of probably said users) My post was in response to CFrandy saying most people come here to buy $200 production cues.

At least you moved it up to the lowest Tasc price LOL or almost....And you are probably right with that range but when it comes to REAL Custom Cues SZAM,SEARING,TUCKER, TASC,SHOWMAN,JOEL,ERNIE to name a few or Justis/Ross Cases well just sayin....
 
I see VERY few links to eBay posted here,However I see alot of JUNK posted for sell here by REGISTERED USERS not MEMBERS and Dave are you sayin AZ has 34,000+ MEMBERS? I read a post that most Members BUY $300-$2000 Cues I SAY BULL I have 33 cues and I doubt 3 fall in that Range!Seems Kevin being a MEMBER should be able to list his LINK to EBAY... Why should the MEMBERS step aside for the USERS which are FAR GREATER than REGISTERED USERS.Funny how the USERS are the ones posting WE should do this WE should do that, I think WE should JOIN or not have the same VOICE as MEMBERS... AZ is not what it once was in 2006 it seems to be RAN BY USERS! Quite fitting description I must add REGISTERED USER telling MEMBERS what WE can DO! Ron

Damn...
Come to think of it, I am back up to a dirty dozen after unloading some and all fall over that range (including my $ Cue).
But I still look for my next gem in this forum and it is the only place I window shop.
 
Yep

Damn...
Come to think of it, I am back up to a dirty dozen after unloading some and all fall over that range (including my $ Cue).
But I still look for my next gem in this forum and it is the only place I window shop.

It is a great place to shop..I found 3 much needed Tascs in one of your posts...LOL
 
Holy cow. The bottom line is the forum is not a member-owned operation. As such, if the rules change, then so be it. We either learn to live with it, or we find another venue. it really is that simple.

I am a new member here, but I am by no means new to the idea of doing business and making money. My two cents is, ebay links in the Wanted/For Sale section is bothersome. If it has to be included in the forum, maybe make a section just for it. This allows members who want to skip the ebay posts to do just that. And by design also allows the members selling things on AZ to do so without having to worry about being bumped down the line by ebay auctions.

And as far as keeping the price private? I can't stand the "PM me for price." I don't care if it's legitimate or not, the post reads like an auction and it's hard to assume the seller isn't combing through the PMs looking for the best offer. Secondly, if the rule is to keep the prices public (regardless of the reason) then again, live with it. If it's a rule you disagree with, find somewhere else to sell them. Since nobody pays anything to sell things here you really don't have any right to dictate rules. You can offer suggestions and solutions, but you can't simply will them into place. AZ is thr BEST place to sell a cue, high or low priced. 34,000+ people...billiards players and collectors of all sorts congregate here and peruse the forum. You simply can't get that exposure anywhere else on the web. All of this is provided for us for free. No seller fees, no nothing. Try selling a 40,000 cue on ebay...see how much you pay there. Moreover, everyone sees the price anyway.

Change is rarely easy and even more rarely accepted without issue. But if these are the changes to take place then as members we must learn to live with them and use them to our advantage. Because, quite frankly, you probably won't do any better anywhere else...even for a price.

The only caveat is that, whatever rules are made, they must be transparent, not open to interpretation, and enforced. Otherwise it's a mushroom cloud of a mess.

I do understand the points many people are making in opposition to the new rules, and there is merit to them for sure. But the bottom line is the rules are supposed to be what's best for the forum and for it's members, not just a select few. It will never be a unanimous;y accepted rule, but things do need addressing as it tends to get out of hand. And yes, it is a shame for the minority of sellers that do things completely legitimately. However, one bad apple spoils it for everyone.
 
Just Became A Paid Member

Just became a paid member which I thought I should be if I’m going to express my opinion on this topic. Don’t let the forum try to become something it doesn’t need to….a clearing house for cue sales. Let e-Bay operate as a stand-alone entity and anyone wanting to let others know their cue is for sale on e-bay can simply list the item number. I’ve yet to see a listing on e-bay mentioning that this cue is also listed for sale on AZ.

The forum can improve the way information is assembled, classified and categorized…admittedly the system has flaws and deficiencies but I’m not here to point them out right now. But it serves a very useful purpose for pool players & aficionados. Istarted browsing the forum last May and along the way alienated a bunch of folks with my unintentional behavior that I won’t get into to right now. Let me out it this way, I pissed some people off along the way. But since May, I’ve spent $1,450 for a 70’s Joss West (May 2011) and then $2,400 for a 2006 Scruggs (October 2011) and I’m not done by any means. But I think spending $4,000 on 2 cues over a 4 month span overwhelmingly disproves that I’m just a tire kicker when it comes to AZ Forum sale listings. But I also realize that I’m just a novice compared to many others on the forum when it comes to buying and selling cues. When I look to buy a cue, I just happen to have some firm ideas about what I want or will accept which pisses some people off.

Oops.....Sorry....but Im not going to change my buying approach so let me apologize now just in case we ever discuss a cue you have for sale sometime in the future.

I think the best thing is to clean up the forum and enforce the rules……listings are acquiring thousands and thousands of viewings but never sell over 2-3 4 months and longer. Some sellers are bumping the listings several times a day which is not only annoying but it isn’t right. Then people are on here like it’s a flea market offering merchandise for trade for a cue….binoculars, watches, puppies, guns, cameras, etc…..it’s becoming a farce…..sell the friggin’ item on e-bay, take the money and spend it on the forum’s cue listings.

The forum is too loose with its rules enforcement and I betcha if there wasa listing section avaialble to “only paid” members, you’d see a lot more people becoming a paid member, especially if someone brags about a great cue they sold or bought from the forum’s paid member section’s listings.

Look, the forum needs to do some house cleaning, rules enforcement, rules review for possible changes or improvements and better define its informational parameters and overall objectives. Don’t start bringing e-bay into the scene….I have over a 120 transactions on e-bay over the last 7-8 years and it works when it’s used right. The forum will also function and work much better if it’s designed right.
 
..........I don't see any reason why the Raffle section can't be used also as a eBay link section........
 
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Without Kevin (kvinbrwr) posting a link to his e-bay auction here on AZ, I would have never found the cue of my dreams.....Thanks Kevin, I still owe you a beer or two.

Mark

Thanks. I like having people feel like they owe me (especially beers).

Kevin
 
Our policy has always been to try and list something here first, at least 24-48 hours before we put it on the site. As a courtesy to AZ members to have a first shot. Sometimes it requires a link to a picture, that maybe uploaded to our server.

JV

JV

I think Bill at Cornerstone does the same thing, posts them here as a courtesy before they go to his site. I don't have a site (other than eBay), but I used to do about the same thing, if I had the product before Sunday, I'd try to post it here and give the AZ community a shot at it before I made them compete with the world for it.

Thanks

Kevin
 

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Our policy has always been to try and list something here first, at least 24-48 hours before we put it on the site. As a courtesy to AZ members to have a first shot. Sometimes it requires a link to a picture, that maybe uploaded to our server.

JV

we always try and do the same let the azmembers know when we have somthing new so they get first dibbs!
 
Sales requests

I hope I don't offend anyone. But I hate when somebody has something to sale an they ask for offers. I mean if you want to sale it, you already have price in mind of what you will take. So post it this is not ebay side show.

I CAN AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THERE ARE SELLERS WANTING TO SELL THEIR CUES & HAVE NO INFORMATION AS TO THE VALUE OF THE CUE, ESPECIALLY IN THE PRESENT MARKET. I SEE MANY AZ RESPONDERS GIVE REASONABLE VALUE$$ REPLYS TO THOSE SELLERS TO HELP THEM DECIDE ON POSTING THEIR SALES PRICES. THIS IS ANOTHER WAY THAT AZ'er HELP OTHERS SELL THEIR CUES. THOSE SELLERS CANNOT OBTAIN CUE VALUE FROM PRIOR SALES BY SEARCHING THE SALES FORUM BECAUSE SELLERS DELETE OR MASK THE SOLD PRICES.
 
Due to the increased size and recent activity in the AZB WFS forum, as well as Ebay, I propose an AZ-Ebay merger.
Problem solved except what to name the new company, and what rules system we have to follow.
 
It is a great place to shop..I found 3 much needed Tascs in one of your posts...LOL

Just THREE...
:wink:
I have one that no one has seen yet and it beats all of mine.
Just off the lathe from the Tasc team and delivered just in time for Halloween.
 
I hope I don't offend anyone. But I hate when somebody has something to sale an they ask for offers. I mean if you want to sale it, you already have price in mind of what you will take. So post it this is not ebay side show.

I CAN AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT ASKING FOR OFFERS, BUT IT OFTEN HAPPENS THAT CUE OWNERS WANTING TO SELL THEIR CUES DO NOT KNOW REASONABLE CUE VALUES AND SALE PRICES, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTURN MARKET OF THE LAST 1-2 YEARS. FELLOW AZers CAN PROVIDE THAT KIND OF NEEDED INFORMATION, WHICH THE FORUM SEARCH CANNOT PROVIDE BECAUSE THE PRICES OF SOLD CUES ARE NORMALLY DELETED OR MASKED BY THE SELLERS. SO I HOPE THAT AZ WILL CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF REQUEST FROM PROSPECTIVE SELLERS.
 
I don't post too often but I would like to say I do enjoy the fs/want section. Ebay links or not, but I would prefer ebay listing numbers over links because of phishing site links. I became a club member only to support this site. Since I have joined here back earlier this year I have bought 17 cues of all price ranges on these forums. I do however get annoyed at 1 whole page of ads by the same user. I was just wondering if we could do something about that before running off some great sellers.
 
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