I know there are cameras literally everywhere in that building, being a casino and all. Shouldn't be impossible to investigate.
Sarah Ellerby vs Jennifer Chen (How would you rule?)
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Wally in Cincy said:
From what I am hearing, the investigation, trial, and verdict phases are now complete.
The sentence has been handed down.
She is currently serving out her sentence.
Jay, if I see her around at Walmart or Starbucks, I'll let her know about Ming.
jimmy-leggs said:
They should post a chart on the wpba website.
Assault & Battery (no injury) - 1 game suspension
Assault & Battery (injured victim) - 1 game suspension and no supper
Felony Assault - 2 game suspension and no supper
Felony Assault & Conviction - suspended for duration of sentence and no supper
monica said:Phoebe - Your a great player and I miss you on tour. Your one of the best talents to have been on the wpba. What do you do with someone like this? If you reacted every single time you would be in an arguement or fight every day. Who wants to do that when they are trying to stay centered and focused? You just have to remember that they are threatened by you and that their actions, however disrespectful they may be, does not place you in a category beneath them.
I wish I could visit again. Maybe one day soon. How is Aki and how is the action?
Hey Monica!!! Was wondering if that was you??? LOL!!
Thanks for the comments.....I do plan a comeback...just a matter of time...the two kids are 4 and 2 1/2 so maybe a couple more years. But, I agree with you...I just left cause I knew I had to play and I didn't want to be bothered by the whole thing. She'd probably beat me up anyway if we go into it...but I'd try my best
!!! Aki is great - sadly he is no longer an owner of Brian's...he now owns Leeward Bowl - a bowling alley out by Pearl Harbor area...and no pool tables there either:frown:
But, Hawaiian Brian is still there everyday...but after Aki left the morale in there just is not the same. But the place needs to stay open cause if not I won't know what to do when it's time for my "comeback"
Take care and tell everyone I said hello....and that I'm am sick to my stomach everyday that I am not there playing with y'all.....hope to see you guys again one day!!
phoebe choy said:
OMG!
I have been waiting YEARS to hear or read these words!
I think it's time to see who the REAL pool player is in that family!
(I plan on starting a countdown calendar - hopes Phoebe plans on terrorizing the Florida Tours during her comeback)
No offense to anyone here at AZB, but this is a matter between 2 players and the WPBA Board and staff. There is not a single person who has posted in this thread that was an eyewitness to what occurred...so being presumptive based on personal opinion is not fair.
If/when it is determined that ANY player of the WPBA has been physically aggressive toward another player/fan/staff member....then our guidelines call for immediate suspension with the length of time being determined by the severity of the crime.
This post is not an attempt to sweep anything under the rug. It is simply a request to allow the WPBA to handle internal affairs internally...and to not crucify someone in public without all the facts.
As for the fact that some of our board members are accused of being fair and open-minded...I do not think that is unfortunate at all. As a matter of fact....if I was on trial in the court of public opinion, I would definitely want people who are fair and open-minded deciding my fate. I wouldn't want people who had already decided my guilt based on previous experiences and their personal dislike for me.
I am sure that once this is completely settled, some little birdie will come on here and let everyone know happens. Until then, I respectfully request that people let this particular topic die.
Melissa
If/when it is determined that ANY player of the WPBA has been physically aggressive toward another player/fan/staff member....then our guidelines call for immediate suspension with the length of time being determined by the severity of the crime.
This post is not an attempt to sweep anything under the rug. It is simply a request to allow the WPBA to handle internal affairs internally...and to not crucify someone in public without all the facts.
As for the fact that some of our board members are accused of being fair and open-minded...I do not think that is unfortunate at all. As a matter of fact....if I was on trial in the court of public opinion, I would definitely want people who are fair and open-minded deciding my fate. I wouldn't want people who had already decided my guilt based on previous experiences and their personal dislike for me.
I am sure that once this is completely settled, some little birdie will come on here and let everyone know happens. Until then, I respectfully request that people let this particular topic die.
Melissa
Melissa Herndon said:
That's it everyone. Take your opinions out of this public forum, lol. I guess nobody should have an opinion about Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens until their affairs are settled too?
Melissa Herndon said:
I happen to repsect Sarah Rousey and Monica Webb's opinions! They are touring Pros and Im sure they have seen enough to substantiate anything they may have said on this Forum. I know them both and their heart is in the game at all times, so if they say they have seen multiple occurences like this from Ms. Ellerby...then I believe them. JMO.
Southpaw
Melissa Herndon said:
Melissa
You are correct. Some of us were not there and we did not witness this incident. However... presumptive?
Not in my case. I've seen just as much as some of the others that have shared here, and I believe that you know that. Not everybody is in the dark about this.
I do not dislike Sarah Ellerby. I admit fully that I DO NOT know her as a person. I just know from what I have seen displayed at events that I have attended. I believe she is a great player, excellent skills at the table, the heart of champion and she doesn't need to resort to nonsense like this. I have lost count as to the number of people that have brought up her name attached to negative past interaction. She has so much potential, but so much energy is wasted on this nonsense, and everybody knows that. She's better than that.
I respect the board and their decision making process immensely, but nobody is going to stop people from being outraged over this incident, and nobody can stop people from talking about it. It is what it is.
I also respect the players that have come forward and expressed their outrage with this type of behavior. Perhaps this situation is what Sarah needs to get her to that next level - I don't know - but it sure is great opportunity for her to stop and re-evaluate whatever is going on that perpetuates this. It's a learning experience for her, and hopefully it leads to personal growth so that she can overcome this.
That's how I see it.
I couldn't agree more with the above. If this was a first time deal the thread would have died already. If this was taken care of a year ago it wouldn't be such a big deal now. As far as players being afraid to go to the board when things like this happen is sad. JohnnytSouthpaw said:
Blackjack said:
ALL i can say is that It's about time. She has been dragging down the WPBA since she arrived with her attitude and slow play.. I understand how she got her sponsors but not how has she kept them? SHe always has a scowl on her face. I cant imagine her doing an exhibiton.
Melissa Herndon said:
Honestly, I did not see the foul actually occur and I did not see the elbow thing actually occur, but respectfully, I was at the tournament and after seeing the reaction from Jennifer and the reaction of many of the other players to both of these incidents, there was no way this wasn't going to at least make it here.
Perhaps it would serve some players well to realize that anyone at anytime can post a misdeed within a mouse click of their sponsors. It doesn't have to be bad press from a newspaper or magazine anymore. The sponsors are certainly sophisticated enough to make their own determination on the credibility of the information.
Times have certainly changed.
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Da Poet said:
T,
You are correct.
I would not consider this an "internal affair". There is no telling how many fans saw either incident. Just because they have not reported here, does not mean that it was not witnessed by more people (in addition to Sarah R.).
The incident with Karen Corr at Peoria was witnessed by many fans; reported and discussed here; never commented on by the WPBA. I'm assuming that no formal complaint was filed; but that does NOT mean that fans will not discuss it. The position that "if you can't prove it, it didn't happen" is untenable to most of the real fans. This game is played for the most part without referee's, and the competitive integrity of the game depends on the honesty of the participants (especially with the "all disputes resolved in favor of the shooter" philosophy that is so prevalent).
Everything that goes on in the pool world is of interest to we the fans, and will be discussed here. We are happy to receive more accurate information; but until then I suspect most will make do with what info we have. Pro football and baseball have both suffered with trying to ignore problems to maintain popularity; hopefully women's pool will not follow their lead.
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Williebetmore said:
With all due respect...
First, Sarah R did not witness the incident in question...meaning the elbow bump. (This is a prime example of how facts get mixed up in these posts)
Second, the post I made was from ME, as a person/player, not as an official position from the WPBA. The reason I did so is because I truly feel that both players are entitled to their privacy in sensitive matters. Innocent until proven guilty is how this country works...and Sarah is being convicted on this forum by people who have maybe 20% of the information available...and things get presented as fact that aren't necessarily fact. In my mind, that isn't fair to her...whether people like her or not.
Third, I could have ignored the post, just as I could have ignored the reply posts, but I didn't. I know that whatever the WPBA's decision is (and yes, I will be a part of making that decision), we will not feel it necessary to share with the general public. We will share it with the parties involved...once it is final. After that, I am sure it will find it's way to the forums for all to enjoy and discuss. Which is what I was asking...for people to reserve judgment until the matter is fully resolved/settled.
Melissa
Melissa Herndon said:
You are right Melissa, I didn't witness the elbow bump. I never claimed to. I was straightening out the fact of what happened on the table and Steve's decision. I was playing right next to them so, yes, I did witness that part. I was straightening out facts. I didn't mean to cause an uproar, I just figured that if it was going to be talked about at least someone set the facts straight. I set it straight as to what I witnessed.
I mentioned that you were open minded because it is true. You were level-headed and taking all things into consideration. I was meaning it as a compliment to you. You do your job as a board member well when it comes to waiting to find out the facts.
Sarah
Melissa Herndon said:
MH,
No disagreement here. Discussing should hopefully be different than judging.
I did not imply that Sarah R. observed the bumping, only the foul in question (as she clearly stated in her post). For many of us the possibility of a competitor refusing to admit to an obvious foul is more egregious than an elbowing incident outside the "playing field" - and it was that issue to which I was referring. Hopefully such behavior (a player who may be suspected of cheating) is something that the WPBA tries to discourage.
The first incident (suspected attempt to get away with a foul) threatens the integrity of the game, the second (allegedly elbowing a fellow player) is a publicity/safety type issue - though an interesting one, it does not directly affect the integrity of the game. I hope that when all of the pertinent info leaks out it will become apparent that the integrity of the game is an issue that has been addressed as well; not just the hockey behavior issue. Good luck.
P.S. - It is crystal clear that while both issues would be VERY unpleasant for the board to deal with; attempts at ignoring fouls is a BIG can of worms that most would be happy to just ignore. Most of us have never heard of such issues even being discussed; even though it is apparent that such events have occurred before. Privacy is nice; but it leaves the organization open to rampant speculation such as this thread. No easy solutions.
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sarahrousey said:
I want to publicly thank you for correcting things as what I thought happened at the table in what I originally posted about the table incident was a lot more severe than what actually happened. It kind of got a few posters who I completely respect a little off track and hopefully by now that has been sorted out.
As long as people are honestly trying to get things closer to the truth here on AZ, we will all be better for it in the long run no matter what the situation.
I won't keep my opinion to myself, she is a bit$%, and everyone knows it! And not to hijack the thread, but the difference between her and Earl is, she is rude and obnoxious all the time, on or off the table! Whereas Earl away from the table is just a pretty nice country boy, who will most of the time talk to anyone about anything and offer tips on their game!
Also Helena should never be even brought up in the same discussion with Sarah, Helena is very nice and very approachable.
Jeremy
Also Helena should never be even brought up in the same discussion with Sarah, Helena is very nice and very approachable.
Jeremy