Simply NOT TRUE. I have one of those metal racks at home and it is very hard to get a tight rack. The Sardo gives me one every time, and I did not try to put craters in the table etc.
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Simply NOT TRUE. I have one of those metal racks at home and it is very hard to get a tight rack. The Sardo gives me one every time, and I did not try to put craters in the table etc.
Simply NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!
No offense to you my friend, but it takes an over zealous finatic who tries to use setup steps. At home, I just starting racking with the Sardo rack and it works like a CHARM. End of story, IMHO.
No offense to you personally, but it takes a real moron to try to setup craters. My God. One doesn't need that sh!t for the Sardo to work properly.
A moron to setup craters? What does that even mean? Seems a bit ironic actually.
All good bro!
I was also just kind of trying to stress the point that pool pros (in general) dont have a CLUE as to what is actually happening on the table! They have lots of opinions and ideas (about divots, english, throw, etc) that simply dont hold water in the physics world.
Kind of along the lines of why does tiger woods have a swing coach? Some people understand the mechanics (me) but cant play worth a crap (me). Whereas some people can play like god (insert any pool pro) but if you ask them "why" that happened its a mixed bag of answers you might get. (which isn't a problem of course, i just wouldnt trust their opinion until researched).
Some guys spend CAREERS in physics studying rotational mechanics.....i bet they cant play pool worth a shit!
I was also just kind of trying to stress the point that pool pros (in general) dont have a CLUE as to what is actually happening on the table! They have lots of opinions and ideas (about divots, english, throw, etc) that simply dont hold water in the physics world.
Kind of along the lines of why does tiger woods have a swing coach? Some people understand the mechanics (me) but cant play worth a crap (me). Whereas some people can play like god (insert any pool pro) but if you ask them "why" that happened its a mixed bag of answers you might get. (which isn't a problem of course, i just wouldnt trust their opinion until researched).
Some guys spend CAREERS in physics studying rotational mechanics.....i bet they cant play pool worth a shit!
Please try actually first reading the post to which you're making reference. I don't mean to be rude, but you really did not properly read my words.
At no point did I say that Bob Jewett was wrong. I said the divots resulting by tapped balls can cause bad rolls. He then challenged me, to which I responded with a rebuttal, followed by his agreement (although he felt the roll was not significant enough to warrant criticism).
Which again contrary to your post, is based on opinion.
Secondly, I clearly stated that my post was the opinion of some of the worlds top pros. Never did I state that I was qualified to dismiss Bob's expertise. I do feel however, that the opinion shared by these several top pros does qualify.
Anyway, Bob clearly knows what he's talking about, and his *opinion* is valid. It is simply not one shared by all.
EDIT: Again, it's not my intent to come off as rude or hostile here. I simply feel you've entirely misread my posts.
I too still prefers the good ole fashion heavy solid wood racks.
I just don't think there should be anything else on the table besides the balls.
It is also quite a fuss to put all the 9 balls on magic rack and make sure they stay in shape.
Give it a little time and you'll soon discover that it's far quicker to achieve a tight rack than it is with a traditional rack (on average).
I hated the Magic Rack at first. I thought it was a joke. But I'm a believer now. It works! As for conventional racks, I like the Delta 13 and the Diamond rack the best. There used to be something called a "monster" rack. That was a great triangle too.
Save the $18 and buy a good layered tip with it
. My home table was 4 years old when I bought a Delta-13 rack. The cloth was VERY worn (and with divots) in the rack area. Now, I rack a set of 15 balls with the Delta rack, firmly hold them in place and get my wife to tap them lightly into place. Even with the old, worn out cloth, I can get a PERFECTLY tight rack every time. We just have to repeat this simple procedure every week or so. And....I have NOT had ANY issues with balls rolling off due to divots, at least no more than anyone would expect to have on a table/cloth as worn as mine.I've used them all and I firmly stand by the Delta rack for ease and simplicity. The Sardo is too big and clumsy. The Magic Rack concept is just goofy-as-hell (imo). Yeah, yeah, I know they both have been used in major tournaments. Sponsorship has a lot to do with that. At least with the Delta, it's more "old-school" than the other two options and you NEVER have to disturb any balls removing it after the break.
Maniac
I think some of us are overdoing it a bit by calling a dimple a "crater". I've been shooting pool for over 40 years and have found that dimples in the tables have caused very few games to be altered.
Major tournaments are played on freshly set up tables with new cloth. Rarely, and I mean RARELY do you see a dimple change the path of a rolling ball.
Poolhall tables are going to have dimples no matter what racking system you use. Their tables are used over and over and over again by recreational customers. You are going to get an occasional roll-off from a slow-rolling ball.
Home tables can be like poolhall tables. If you break frequently on them then the racking area is going to get worn out real fast (especially the foot spot). This can be controlled though by just NOT breaking on your home table.
Dimples/divots/craters, whatever you want to call them, unless you are playing in only "major tournaments", better get used to them. Best to just disregard them (focus on what IS important) and get on with shooting pool.
Maniac
Are you Experienced? Well this is my Experienced.
With all the talk about the Sardo tight rack I was afraid that they would disappear from the face of the earth never to be seen again so I went out and bought one. My local pool room had 3 of them left out of the box so I had my pick of them and they sold it to me for $25.00. I took it home and rack some 9 balls and the rack was perfect with every Aramith ball touching. Now I am not sure what instructions they would have given me in the box if it were new but all I did was put the 9 balls in the rack and push down. I got into my SVB stance and lined up my CB using my stick the way Grey Ghost demonstrated in his video and let it rip using my best imitation of SVB's uppercut stroke (resembling a boxer's low blow to the gonads) and the results were spectacular! Great spread, CB Squat, 9 ball moving toward the corner pocket for a hanger, 1 ball in the side pocket and the 2&7 disappeared. I did this for almost 4 hours again and again and again averaging 2 balls off the break (you know how it is when you get a new toy) and had 1 break and run(I am getting better at this game). My break and run average before was about 1 every 2 1/2 years. I am not concerned about pool table divots if that is even true if they do come they come my Simonis 860 cloth will be 1 year old next month and its just cloth. What I am concerned with is results. After all a toy will last forever if you don't play with it.:sorry: All in all the Sardo was a good investment.
With all the talk about the Sardo tight rack I was afraid that they would disappear from the face of the earth never to be seen again so I went out and bought one. My local pool room had 3 of them left out of the box so I had my pick of them and they sold it to me for $25.00. I took it home and rack some 9 balls and the rack was perfect with every Aramith ball touching. Now I am not sure what instructions they would have given me in the box if it were new but all I did was put the 9 balls in the rack and push down. I got into my SVB stance and lined up my CB using my stick the way Grey Ghost demonstrated in his video and let it rip using my best imitation of SVB's uppercut stroke (resembling a boxer's low blow to the gonads) and the results were spectacular! Great spread, CB Squat, 9 ball moving toward the corner pocket for a hanger, 1 ball in the side pocket and the 2&7 disappeared. I did this for almost 4 hours again and again and again averaging 2 balls off the break (you know how it is when you get a new toy) and had 1 break and run(I am getting better at this game). My break and run average before was about 1 every 2 1/2 years. I am not concerned about pool table divots if that is even true if they do come they come my Simonis 860 cloth will be 1 year old next month and its just cloth. What I am concerned with is results. After all a toy will last forever if you don't play with it.:sorry: All in all the Sardo was a good investment.
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Kudos to you.
I have more problems with tables not level and bad slate seams then I ever had with dimples in the rack area, or leaving the magic rack on the table.
I have a sardo rack, a good heavy wood rack, a rack-em-right template, and the magic rack.
The rack-em-right template, and the magic rack both give the same consistent rack in 9 ball. The Sardo gives good racks but not on the same consistent basis as the other two. All in all I prefer the magic rack, due to it's ease of use and portability. I also don't like going to a place and tapping a table that I don't own.
Have I had any problems with the magic rack interfering with the play of the balls, No. Is it EZ to use, Yes.
In my humble opinion for those who feel the magic rack is hard to use and/or causes problems when you need to move balls from it, use your wood rack or delta 13, and play straight or one pocket where consistency of the rack is not a big issue.
In rotation games of 9 ball and 10 ball the nature of the rack has a huge effect on the game. When I play those games I expect the best rack that can be achieved on the table. The only products that I have used that give me this are the tapping template and the magic rack.
I have more problems with tables not level and bad slate seams then I ever had with dimples in the rack area, or leaving the magic rack on the table.
I have a sardo rack, a good heavy wood rack, a rack-em-right template, and the magic rack.
The rack-em-right template, and the magic rack both give the same consistent rack in 9 ball. The Sardo gives good racks but not on the same consistent basis as the other two. All in all I prefer the magic rack, due to it's ease of use and portability. I also don't like going to a place and tapping a table that I don't own.
Have I had any problems with the magic rack interfering with the play of the balls, No. Is it EZ to use, Yes.
In my humble opinion for those who feel the magic rack is hard to use and/or causes problems when you need to move balls from it, use your wood rack or delta 13, and play straight or one pocket where consistency of the rack is not a big issue.
In rotation games of 9 ball and 10 ball the nature of the rack has a huge effect on the game. When I play those games I expect the best rack that can be achieved on the table. The only products that I have used that give me this are the tapping template and the magic rack.
From what I have read, the Sardo rack and the balls need to sit on the table overnight (with the cloth dampened or something ? - I could be wrong here), but nonetheless, the objective was to setup small dimples (some here on the forum are calling them craters) so the balls could sit there every rack.
I still think the Magic Rack is a stupid idea. I watched the video and thought to myself - how do you remove that piece of crap after the balls are broken? Does it 'magically' disappear? :grin:
I have a Delta 13 rack at home, and believe me when I say it doesn't even come close to racking the balls as good as a Sardo rack can.
That's good and great, but what does it have to do with my earlier post? After all, you did quote my post while making an incomprehensible comment regarding "morons".
If the 9 ball was moving toward a corner then it was not a good tight rack.
A perfect rack would result in the 9 ball not moving at all, unless it was hit by another ball.
A perfect rack would result in the 9 ball not moving at all, unless it was hit by another ball.
Whitewolf, as you live in MD too, PM me.
I would be glad to get together with you to show you first hand the magic rack and how EZ it is to use.
I would be glad to get together with you to show you first hand the magic rack and how EZ it is to use.
Magic rack . . .
I've tried about every rack there is . . . even bought a Porper rack thats pretty cool from Mr. Helfert . . . I've had Magic rack for two months - it does work! Simple and cheap. Next best I've found is my heavy wood "Gorilla" rack.
I've tried about every rack there is . . . even bought a Porper rack thats pretty cool from Mr. Helfert . . . I've had Magic rack for two months - it does work! Simple and cheap. Next best I've found is my heavy wood "Gorilla" rack.
