Would someone please let us know if there is anything more on the Schuler updates? I know a lot of us are interested. I just hope we can find the info between the rant-n-rave posts.
Schuler Cue Out of Business??
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Here is some more info.
The link from Rich93 only showed 1 page of the list of items.
There were (I think) 188 total items for auction.
There were hand tools, a couple scales, micrometers, etc.
There were 2 different sets of old titelist cues, one with 5 or 6 and with a cue holder. And the 2nd had about 30 or so. There were about 20 or so finished cues. Not high end, but nice.
I got a couple and my buddy got 7.
Again according to the current owner, they will continue to be made.
He would not tell me who (or where) would be making them. After we talked about that, I didn't feel it was any of my business to ask for more info.
I'm assuming that their sellers / distributors will still sell their cues.
I know there is a person on AZ that sells Schuler cues, as well as many other cues. Maybe that person can shed more light on that.
The link from Rich93 only showed 1 page of the list of items.
There were (I think) 188 total items for auction.
There were hand tools, a couple scales, micrometers, etc.
There were 2 different sets of old titelist cues, one with 5 or 6 and with a cue holder. And the 2nd had about 30 or so. There were about 20 or so finished cues. Not high end, but nice.
I got a couple and my buddy got 7.
Again according to the current owner, they will continue to be made.
He would not tell me who (or where) would be making them. After we talked about that, I didn't feel it was any of my business to ask for more info.
I'm assuming that their sellers / distributors will still sell their cues.
I know there is a person on AZ that sells Schuler cues, as well as many other cues. Maybe that person can shed more light on that.
Since I'm convinced it's ok for them to move to China, I lost interest.JesPiddlin said:
If they are not saying where they are moving, I'm suspecting it's east.
I hope they do stay here.
Original Ray's
I wonder how long it take before the original hand signed cues start to go up in value?
I wonder how long it take before the original hand signed cues start to go up in value?
JOB Cases said:
Simonis is a specialized cloth being (knocked off)duplicated in China by other US companies at a much lower cost. The workers in Belgium will lose their jobs!
There are many other products that are being made their due to their low wages and government subsidies that industrialized nations cannot compete against.
I am a retired Master Electrician and work part-time at home Depot and look at all the inventory home depot stocks and most is from China~!
Nike is made in Vietnam now and as soon as the next cheap labor country is found they will go there next!
Clinton's NAFTA caused this competitive disadvantage and President Obama said he will fix the problem!!
USA is a powerful Democratic country with good workers and good standard of living for those who work hard!
US based companies are the ones who are reaping the benefits of low taxes on these imports this will stop sooner then later!
That fact I stated about factory wages going up in China from 20 cents to 60 cents per hour means even with a 300% increase no country can compete against this !!!
My son-in law who a 500 million a year sales company corporate VP told me this after his trip to China
His company is putting a plant there!!!
They have plants in Puerto Rico and other locations worldwide now guess what closes and workers lose their jobs
BS Workers Unite now!!!
The alternative is for the US worker to go back to the days of worker exploitation before Unions were here to protect us!
JoeyInCali said:
Guys are betting half a million in underground matches I'm told..there are some freaky players over there that you will not see in tournaments. A friend, tell me he watched a kid run 11 racks and out for 80K US. Some of the real players are making too much money to play in any tournaments. China is probably the next big market for high end cues IMO...they will probably become a big market for import cues in the future. Some of them don't know what to do with the cash they have it seem
. It'll be wise to start making custom cues and market them in china....supply and demand....with possibly lots of demand as billiard/pool become their 2nd sport next to table tennis. Regards,
Duc.
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Sorry Duc, that sounds like a big fish story.Cuemaster98 said:Guys are betting half a million in underground matches I'm told..there are some freaky players over there that you will not see in tournaments. A friend, tell me he watched a kid run 11 racks and out for 80K US. Some of the real players are making too much money to play in any tournaments. China is probably the next big market for high end cues IMO...they will probably become a big market for import cues in the future. Some of them don't know what to do with the cash they have it seem
Regards,
Duc.
If China were the next big market for custom cues, you wouldn't be seeing Taiwanese dealers now selling cues back to the US market b/c the market there fizzled.
The next big market is Dubai I think.
fish on said:
This is hilarious, Simonis makes a woolen cloth that in another application is used as a blanket. Geez you'd think that Simonis is the only company in the world allowed to make cloth by listening to you.
Ever hear of a FREE MARKET? In a free market economy business and people can take their production and labor and do with it what they want to.
Workers Unite Now? Why don't you workers just buy the factory and spare the owners and shareholders the trouble of trying to stay profitable? Do ya think that maybe, just maybe Union Jobs at $30 an hour plus benefits, are part of the problem for factories to stay in business in the USA? I am all for the little guy getting treated fairly and I happen to think that everyone should share in the fortune and misfortune of the place they work. If you jack off on the job then you lose money, if you are productive and efficient then you make money.
You and I both know full well that people rip their employers off all the time through laziness and low productivity. At $30 an hour that begins to add up. And yeah before you tell me that I don't know what I am talking about, I had a Union Job in Germany where it was as cushy as one could want. I could still be there making great money if I had wanted to - that is until the factory was forced to relocate because wages were too high and productivity to low.
It's all about balance and currently there isn't any between the worker and the company. Everyone wants to blame imports and low wage countries instead of looking at themselves and what they do to make their company unprofitable.
Have you ever thought that perhaps the fact that so many tools and supplies are available at Home Depot has enabled millions of people to save billions of dollars doing their own home improvement. I love the fact that you rail against China but take money from a company that relies on China for most of it's products.
What makes you think Nike was ever made anywhere else but where labor is low cost?
Don't you look for the lowest price on things when you buy them? Don't you try to save money on the things you need?
If so then why do you want to deny business the right to do the same thing?
Do you picket the local McDonalds because they hire a part time teenager who lives at home with no expenses instead of an adult with a family to feed, because they can get away with paying the teenager minimum wage?
Do you rail on West Virginia when it gives tax breaks and free training to lure a company to relocate from California to to WV?
All this casting blame on "China" Vietnam" "Africa" and so on is good for whipping people into a frenzy and getting the rah rah effect but it completely ignores the fact that in a FREE MARKET business has the right to do business where it makes the most financial sense to do so.
If I told you that you MUST buy American and you MUST pay whatever price are on the goods you would protest and call such a law unAmerican.
Don't expect the government to bail you out - you are responsible for your own life.
I'm convinced.
All of our manufacturers should move to China if they can make more money.
All of our manufacturers should move to China if they can make more money.
JoeyInCali said:
I don't think the Chinese market is yet heated up enough for high end cues but there is interest and there is money.
I don't know anything about $500,000 underground matches. I have a hard time getting action for $100 matches but I am sure that some big games probably do go down from time to time.
One thing is that the Chinese are kind of virgins when it comes to cues. They are enjoying a time when their domestic product is actually pretty good in this area (and it helps that the sellers of Chinese made cues either say or insinuate that the cues are of US origin).
The Taiwanese in the 90s didn't have the same luxury of having pretty good domestically made cues. So naturally the best players followed their counterparts and bought foreign brands. And as pool boomed in Taiwan of course people began to collect cues as well. I was there one year when a well known American cue maker sold out in ten minutes after laying his cues on the table - at twice his US retail.
Now in China people are routinely shelling out $200-$400 and up for brands like Universal and Predator and Fury. What's the next logical step for the people with money when they want something "better" or different than what is commonly available.
All the luxury brands feel that China will be their biggest market in the coming years so if that's the case why do you think that people won't be buying custom cues?
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/03/21/chinas_hunger_for_luxury_goods_grows/
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/30/content_396017.htm
http://seekingalpha.com/article/154...-goods-market-to-be-fueled-by-2nd-tier-cities
JoeyInCali said:
And this is the problem: Instantly you vilify the act of making money by adding "more" to it.
First they are not YOUR manufacturers they are just manufacturers that belong to no one.
Secondly you misread my post, I didn't say that everyone has a license to be greedy I said that they have a responsibility to be profitable.
If a business cannot be profitable by staying in a certain location then it needs to close or move. If it closes then the jobs are gone anyway so what's the problem?
JB Cases said:
All of this is very true and goes into what I was originally saying. At my job my benefits package amounts to nearly 100% of what I make a week. When I learned this I almost wanted to tell them to ditch all my benefits and just gimme the $100k which isn't bad considering I work 4 days on and 4 off. I am also at a non-union area. Not surprisingly my company is also laying people off. It hasn't made it my way yet, but it will happen soon. They lay off based on years of service and while I have been there for over 10 years I am preparing to see the boot.
This sucks balls because I've watched 2 lay offs happen and figured that I was safe. I work for a company which makes various types of coaxial cable and fiber optics (I make last mile cable). I made it through the tech bubble bursting and thought I was safe for life now. I am now thinking differently.
If I do get laid off I certainly won't fault the Chinese economy. I do know they have cable producing factories popping up all over China, but more power to them. They are trying to emulate the American economy and through trial and error they are taking baby steps towards that goal. Someone living there has just as much right to the fruits of labor as I do.
If I get laid off I will dust myself off and get back on the field. I actually think I will get back into school so I can learn something new. Short of me winning the lottery I doubt I will ever be able to achieve my dream of owning and operating a pool hall, but sometimes that is why dreams remain dreams.
If I get laid off I will dust myself off and get back on the field. I actually think I will get back into school so I can learn something new. Short of me winning the lottery I doubt I will ever be able to achieve my dream of owning and operating a pool hall, but sometimes that is why dreams remain dreams.
The best description of consumption in China that I have read! From the comments in this article - http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/23/chinese-luxury-marke.html
"Misreported" is a misnomer, in this case. The great scam of luxury goods has a lot to do with the great scam of the Bush administration- they both rely on a lazy and collusive press corps. I'm not suggesting that we give Givenchy the third degree, but honestly, from Sassy to the NYT, the fashion industry simply buys their way into prestige without earning a single bit of it, and the rest of the luxury goods industry is worse.
For every feature that says "Prada's stuff looks like crap this year" or "Bang & Olafson makes overpriced ugly junk", there will be twenty photo spreads or sidebars hailing these things as the second coming of Christ.
The situation is worse in China partly because they don't have Consumer Reports. There's assloads of new money, a culture that is strongly conformist, and a media that has even lower standards that the US. Chinese fashion magazines don't even have sex columns, for God's sake. It's just shopping shopping Gong Li horoscope shopping shopping. Censorship makes most publications into an inane hash, and the government is hoping that buying crap will work as a substitute for having a vote.
What is refreshing about China is the access one has to the manufacturing base. They still haven't managed to completely alienate the manufacturer from the buyer. If I want a new suit, or a string of pearls, I'm getting the first one from a tailor, the second one from a wholesaler. Sure, they're yenim's brand, but they're as nice or as crappy as I can stand/afford. Brand names, after all, came about because when you don't know your tailor, the tag is some kind of assurance that the sleeves won't fall off your coat next week.
This is ironic because in other areas of commerce, Chinese people are hard bargainers. Buying vegetables, Chinese consumers are among the toughest, most discerning in the world. Buying cars, they're lambs to the slaughter.
"Misreported" is a misnomer, in this case. The great scam of luxury goods has a lot to do with the great scam of the Bush administration- they both rely on a lazy and collusive press corps. I'm not suggesting that we give Givenchy the third degree, but honestly, from Sassy to the NYT, the fashion industry simply buys their way into prestige without earning a single bit of it, and the rest of the luxury goods industry is worse.
For every feature that says "Prada's stuff looks like crap this year" or "Bang & Olafson makes overpriced ugly junk", there will be twenty photo spreads or sidebars hailing these things as the second coming of Christ.
The situation is worse in China partly because they don't have Consumer Reports. There's assloads of new money, a culture that is strongly conformist, and a media that has even lower standards that the US. Chinese fashion magazines don't even have sex columns, for God's sake. It's just shopping shopping Gong Li horoscope shopping shopping. Censorship makes most publications into an inane hash, and the government is hoping that buying crap will work as a substitute for having a vote.
What is refreshing about China is the access one has to the manufacturing base. They still haven't managed to completely alienate the manufacturer from the buyer. If I want a new suit, or a string of pearls, I'm getting the first one from a tailor, the second one from a wholesaler. Sure, they're yenim's brand, but they're as nice or as crappy as I can stand/afford. Brand names, after all, came about because when you don't know your tailor, the tag is some kind of assurance that the sleeves won't fall off your coat next week.
This is ironic because in other areas of commerce, Chinese people are hard bargainers. Buying vegetables, Chinese consumers are among the toughest, most discerning in the world. Buying cars, they're lambs to the slaughter.
Sadly with a population of that size and an economic boom of that size you will also see an epidemic of breathing problems there due to pollution due to the explosive boom in people buying automobiles, the industrial boom and the massive boom in power plants to support it all. Coal fired power plants are being built as fast as they can draw up plans to build em.
Yes they do knockoffs, but please don't tell me you've never heard of someone in the U.S. pulling off a hustle.
Yes they do knockoffs, but please don't tell me you've never heard of someone in the U.S. pulling off a hustle.
I remember some customers from China coming to where I work one year. At the time I was scrapping cable which is what they were buying at like a dollar a truckload. They would strip off the plastic jacketing and use the aluminum shield and copper to make computer motherboards. A roll of scrap would weigh several hundred pounds and I would dump it and move it by myself. The guys from China were impressed for some reason. I'd do it so I could put the scrapper back together and fill another one up so I could load up two at a time on a forklift.
They told me that when they get those they offload it all by hand. How they do it is beyond me other than to have two or three of em flip it up on end and roll it. I can guarantee you that one could not do it because at that time I had benched 500 and dead lifted 600, including dead lifting my truck. When they told me that I was amazed at the thought of a day like that.
They told me that when they get those they offload it all by hand. How they do it is beyond me other than to have two or three of em flip it up on end and roll it. I can guarantee you that one could not do it because at that time I had benched 500 and dead lifted 600, including dead lifting my truck. When they told me that I was amazed at the thought of a day like that.