Self-Proclaimed Open Level Shooters

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MBTaylor

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There seem to be a lot of pool experts and self proclaimed open level shooters on this site.

What accomplishments/proof do you have to back it up?

Before you go getting all pissy and asking who the hell I think I am, I will tell you. I am just a person who shoots league, OMFG a league hack, and someone who loves to shoot.

There seem to be an awful lot of know-it-alls here, who may or may not be as good as they say. I am just trying to find out how many of you can prove it.

No, I am not woofing either and am not trying to challenge you. Just challenging your claims or self-attributed pool Godliness.
 
MBTaylor said:
There seem to be a lot of pool experts and self proclaimed open level shooters on this site.

What accomplishments/proof do you have to back it up?

Before you go getting all pissy and asking who the hell I think I am, I will tell you. I am just a person who shoots league, OMFG a league hack, and someone who loves to shoot.

There seem to be an awful lot of know-it-alls here, who may or may not be as good as they say. I am just trying to find out how many of you can prove it.

No, I am not woofing either and am not trying to challenge you. Just challenging your claims or self-attributed pool Godliness.
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I claim to be an open level shooter because I have ran 13 balls in 14.1. I also broke and ran down to the 5 ball in a game of 9 ball once.

On a serious note: It's the internet. What did you expect? I do, however, assume that there are a lot of really good players on here. I think that's fair to assume since we have so many members and they obviously all have a pretty strong interest in pool.
 
When I play, I open my garage door... sometimes... on the level... does that count? :rolleyes:
 
People who claim to be open level, but don't do anything to back it up other than critique shots on a pool forum.

If I am not mistaken, a lot of the so-called open shooters are members of various leagues also or determine themselves to be open by comparing themselves to league skill levels. So, I guess being a league hack can't be all that bad....lol
 
My fly is open sometimes, keep forgetting to close it after I use the restroom so I'm only an open player "sometimes".
 
MBTaylor said:
People who claim to be open level, but don't do anything to back it up other than critique shots on a pool forum.

If I am not mistaken, a lot of the so-called open shooters are members of various leagues also or determine themselves to be open by comparing themselves to league skill levels. So, I guess being a league hack can't be all that bad....lol
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I've never heard the term before. And I haven't played in/run a league in probably close to 20-25 years. Open tournaments mean anyone can play in them, pro level or not. I haven't seen anybody here make the claim that they are "open level". What does that mean, exactly?
 
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This reminds me of an old number used for Real Estate agents. This old 85 - 15 rule. 85% of agents sell 15% of property while the other 15% sell 85% of the property. Here it may be the same 15% may be PRO qualified while 85% may be regular fun players.
 
Neil said:
Well, lets' see, we have 14,539 POOL PLAYERS on this forum. So I guess to you it is rather shocking that there would be a number of pro and open players posting here. ?????:rolleyes: :confused:
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Not shocking at all.... The pros and recognized shooters/instructors aren't included, just the key board commando types who proclaim to be open level.
 
Fart sniffer said:
My fly is open sometimes, keep forgetting to close it after I use the restroom so I'm only an open player "sometimes".
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Are you like the absent minded profesor that opened his vest, took out his tie, and pissed in his pants? Johnnyt
 
Pushout said:
I've never heard the term before. And I haven't played in/run a league in probably close to 20-25 years. Open tournaments mean anyone can play in them, pro level or not. I haven't seen anybody here make the claim that they are "open level". What does that mean, exactly?
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Kind of what I am trying to figure out also. People claim to be Open Level, but what makes them this good? It almost sounds like they are just below pro speed, but what have they done that shows that they are this "good"?

Did a friend tell them? Did a Pro/House Pro tell them? Do they shoot in tourneys and are only mildly less sporty than weak pro speed? Do they routinely win regional or local tourneys?

Just trying to get what makes them that good straight from the horse's mouth.
 
MBTaylor.....How do you expect anyone to give you information on what their accomplishments are if they don't know whether you think they are members of the group of posters to which you are referring?

Give a few names of posters you had in mind and perhaps they or someone who knows them will satisfy your curiosity.
 
MBTaylor said:
Kind of what I am trying to figure out also. People claim to be Open Level, but what makes them this good? It almost sounds like they are just below pro speed, but what have they done that shows that they are this "good"?

Did a friend tell them? Did a Pro/House Pro tell them? Do they shoot in tourneys and are only mildly less sporty than weak pro speed? Do they routinely win regional or local tourneys?

Just trying to get what makes them that good straight from the horse's mouth.
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Define "open level". How do you figure and who do you figure is making this claim?
 
MBTaylor said:
Not shocking at all.... The pros and recognized shooters/instructors aren't included, just the key board commando types who proclaim to be open level.
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MBT,
Hmmmmm, this question again.

You should probably realize that the world of accomplished pool players and students of the game is a small one; the vast majority of whom post here.

If you are really curious, just make plans to attend the DCC; hang out in the AZB room for several days and play everyone that comes by; you will find the occasional banger, but the standard is QUITE high (and probably higher than you think).

I read the board regularly, and in the past 5 years can only recall 2 or 3 "self-proclamations" by obviously deluded individuals. I hope you aren't just trying to start a flame war....please give specific examples and we can then comment. I'm not sure to whom you are referring.
 
If you have any doubt about somebody's credentials or whether or not they can back up their knowledge then I guess that is your problem.

There are many knowledgeable players that freely pass along their knowledge and expertise on this forum. Myself, I think it's a pretty good deal - and its free. This wasn't available to me 30-35 years ago, so I had to learn the hard way.

I once sat in a chair every Saturday for 3 months watching my teacher (Cisero Murphy) shoot in ball after ball after ball. When he finally allowed me to pick up a cue and to move any of the balls on the same table he was shooting on - he did not approve of my grip and I sat for another 2-3 weeks before I was allowed to shoot again. Oh - and BTW - I wasn't allowed to talk or question anything so I kept my mouth shut and my ears open out of respect.

I learned. I learned a little more. Then I learned more and more and more and more. I learned from a lot of different people. Today when I pass along the knowledge I have accumulated, it is not to impress you or to brag about anything I have done in the past. It is because I remember what it was like to sit in that chair for hours with so many questions. None of the answers came easy to me - believe me when I say that. I had to look for most of them and find them. The knowledge didn't fall out of the sky like raindrops.

Some people will appreciate my knowledge and my teachings. Some people wouldn't wipe their ass with it if it was all that they had. Hey, that's life. The negative feedback doesn't bother me me because the record shows that I help more players than I hurt - and it also shows me where I need to improve as a teacher.

How do I play? FWIW I am a pretty good straight pool player - an okay 9 ball player - not world class speed by any means - but I do okay despite having some neurological problems - that sucks but I deal with it and you'd never know about it unless I told you. I also consider myself an expert on the mental game and I have an education to back up my knowledge that area.

In the beginning I was told to learn all that I could. After a while you will be able to discern the good info from the bad - keep what you need and leave the other stuff alone respectfully. I also learned that an open mind is a black hole for knowledge and that a closed mind is a brick wall for knowledge.

Today I still believe that and I still try to view this game from the stand point of a student, even though many consider me a teacher. It's a two way street.
 
I think some actually believe they are open shooters... compared to the talent level they play against.

It is all perspective.... I tend to rate myself agiainst only the best (being Efren or Earl)...Based on that perspective I am a "hack"

However...I frequent a bar that has a couple bar boxes and a weekly tournament open to anyone...The players there all think I am some kind of pool god since I almost always win the tournament.....(yet they always ask where I have been if I don't play every week)...It is kind of a strange thing since usually you hear about players getting banned from tournaments in my town for winning too much...

IF...I were to only play pool in that room I could see how my perception of my own game would be skewed in favor of calling myself a "open" level player.

Since I regualarly play against open players...I have a "true" understanding of my abilities......I won't say what my true level is...becuase frankly it changes from day to day......I will tell you that if falls somewhere between "World Beater and "Sucker" ...

Funny though is that I have always been curious myself as to what "level" a poster acutally plays compaired to how they portray themselves on the board...

I will leave the acutal poster nameless, but I did run into a person that knew a very prominent poster on this board...I asked this person if said poster was "as good" as he/she portrays themself on this board and was told...."This person has QUITE a bit more confidence in his/her own abilities than anyone else in that area does":)

In short...Some people just don't know or have a realistic comparison....Some just like to exxagerate....;)
 
MBTaylor said:
There seem to be a lot of pool experts and self proclaimed open level shooters on this site.

What accomplishments/proof do you have to back it up?

Before you go getting all pissy and asking who the hell I think I am, I will tell you. I am just a person who shoots league, OMFG a league hack, and someone who loves to shoot.

There seem to be an awful lot of know-it-alls here, who may or may not be as good as they say. I am just trying to find out how many of you can prove it.

No, I am not woofing either and am not trying to challenge you. Just challenging your claims or self-attributed pool Godliness.
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My friends call me a world beater while I sit back and give them the 7-out. Now, granted I shoot a mean stick, I'm NOT claiming to be unbeatable.

I'm not sure my answer fits your description, but I don't have a lot of credentials to back it up.
 
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