Selling misconceptions... or do you believe the hype

[8-ball Rat]

MARK, I'M TIRED AND HUNGOVER, SO I WAS BEING DEFENSIVE......THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT TRY TO PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE, WHEN SOMEONE MAKES A GOOD POST.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET PICKED APART BASED ON MY STATEMENT. WHAT A CUEMAKER DOES BEFORE THE CUE LEAVES THE SHOP, DOES NOT IN MY OPINION EFFECT THE RATING OF THE CUE. SO WE AGREE ON THIS.

I SEE CUES MISREPRESENTED ALL THE TIME, AND IT REALLY BOTHERS ME. IF THERE WAS WORK DONE TO A CUE, IT SHOULD BE DISCLOSED. IT SHOULD ALSO BE DISCLOSED WHO DID THE WORK. I HAVE ALREADY PASSED ON SEVERAL CUES, FROM SEVERAL DEALERS, BECAUSE OF WHO/WHAT WORK HAD BEEN DONE.

HOW'S THIS SITUATION, THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF A CUE HAS IT MADE WITH THREE SHAFTS.....USES THE CUE WITH 1 OF THEM, BEATS THE CRAP OUT OF THE CUE, SENDS THE BUTT TO GET REFINISHED, AND THEN SELLS THE CUE AS NEW WITH THE 2 UNPLAYED SHAFTS!!!!!!!!!!! THIS ISN'T JUST HYPOTHETICAL EITHER, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN SEVERAL TIMES. I HAVE BECOME VERY CAUTIOUS WITH WHO I BUY FROM. IT HAS BECOME VERY IMPORTANT THE LAST FEW YEARS TO HAVE ALOT OF FRIENDS IN THE BUSINESS, SO THAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BUYING.

May your healing be quick and painless, Marcus.

I hear ya...and yes, we do agree. I've seen half a dozen cuemaker shops, and each one either made the tip new again....or had spare shafts lying around to try out the cues.

For me, I would almost EXPECT that the expert who built it would take it for a spin, and look/listen for any flaws. How can they know if the cue is right, until it's used in the manner for which it was created to begin with??

I'm tellin' ya, Marcus.....Advil works WONDERS!!

Be good, and thanks again for the input.

 

[wyld78]

Joe,

I'm curious about what the owner of Classiccues thinks about you using his business's name as your ID, but while doing so taking pot shots at others (i.e. the competition). Doesn't seem very professional, regardless of what the back stories are. I could be misinterpreting things, but on the website it says that all of the cues are offered by Mark K. so that leads me to believe it is "his" business? After reading all of this it just got me thinking.

OK you need to go back and look at posts 28, 36 to see who started taking pot shots as you call it. Methinks that poster got what he deserved and then got out to town. It sounds like these two have some history that many here are not aware of. I would not be so quick to judge either based just on this.

 

[classiccues]

how am i an admitted theif??? ive already made u look bad enough for one day i guess u want more

You've already made the statement "I've robbed, and been robbed"..

JV

 

[classiccues]

Joe,

I'm curious about what the owner of Classiccues thinks about you using his business's name as your ID, but while doing so taking pot shots at others (i.e. the competition). Doesn't seem very professional, regardless of what the back stories are. I could be misinterpreting things, but on the website it says that all of the cues are offered by Mark K. so that leads me to believe it is "his" business? After reading all of this it just got me thinking.

Think all you want. But Mark and I discuss just about every thread. It's also not his business name. If you were half as good at research at you were just typing you would know that. He also knows that I will defend my position with a tenacious demeanor. He has seen all the threads, as well as has been a part of some in his own right.

JV (--since you seem to be lacking some info.. the cue's are offered by both of us.. some mine, some his.

 

[classiccues]

OK you need to go back and look at post 28 to see who started taking pot shots as you call it. Methinks that poster got what he deserved and then got out to town. It sounds like these two have some history that many here are not aware of. I would not be so quick to judge either based just on this.

Well as with most people, since Matt and I have had some words, you would expect this fact to be ignored. Congrats for being the person to actually notice what happened. But IMHO it was more post 36 than 28.

But you know what.. I am used to taking the shots by people that are extremely jealous of what I do and what I have been able to accomplish.

Whats funny to me is here:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=59337&highlight=quality

Clearly a shot is taken at another dealer in the second post.. nothing was said.. or people forget he was caught pumping his own business with a invented screen name singing his own praises, amongst other things... People in glass houses and all that...

JV

 

[classiccues]

very good statemnt. joe deff had hurt marks buieness for him. joe is obv a nobody riding the coat tales of a somebody (mark) thays why he posts the way he does and treats ppl the wasy he does to make himself appear BIG.

maybe someone should place a call to mark and point him to these threads. maye i will and tell him how much buisness joe has already lost for him

I have forgotten more than you'll ever learn about cues. That much is certain. Mark and I have been friends for over 10 years and we discuss at length these threads. But someone like you thats so in the know, I figured you would have known that already.

JV

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

I have a question for ya, Marcus. You being the big-pappa of Tascarella cues and all...you could give me a no-kidding response.

Does Pete ever test hit his cues before they leave his shop? Don't most cuemakers do this, to verify that all is well and right with the cue, before the customer gets it? Do they hit with 'em, but avoid chalk and only use center-ball? If they chalk it to take the cue for a few spins, can't they sand down the tip to ensure it LOOKS new, and qualify as such?

If not, then yes...the cue is new, unchalked, never hit a ball.

If so, then EVERY cue that leaves that shop is already used, by your definition.

Just curious as to whether or not the cuemaker's shots count toward the condition of the cue...in YOUR eyes. Hell....I don't even know if Mr. Tascarella plays pool at all!!

Thanks for any insight you can provide me.

HERE'S THE ANSWER I GOT FROM THE MAN HIMSELF....

.....the answer is yes to all three questions...after we trial hit with the shafts made for the cue, the shafts are final sanded and polished and the tips are dressed.... if we don't like the hit, we try other test shafts, with different tips and or ferrules. Of course there is no "best hit" or "feel", it is subjective for each player.. Pete

 

[8-ball Rat]

HERE'S THE ANSWER I GOT FROM THE MAN HIMSELF....

.....the answer is yes to all three questions...after we trial hit with the shafts made for the cue, the shafts are final sanded and polished and the tips are dressed.... if we don't like the hit, we try other test shafts, with different tips and or ferrules. Of course there is no "best hit" or "feel", it is subjective for each player.. Pete

The Man has spoken........

Thanks for the follow-up, Marcus.

Mark

 

[dave sutton]

I have forgotten more than you'll ever learn about cues. That much is certain. Mark and I have been friends for over 10 years and we discuss at length these threads. But someone like you thats so in the know, I figured you would have known that already.

JV

what?!?!? this isnt even english

 

[dave sutton]

You've already made the statement "I've robbed, and been robbed"..

JV

i was talking about gambling u illiterate.

doesnt everyone love how joe compares marks cues collection with his. what a joke. you two arent even close. youre lucky he even talks to you.
i doubt u forgot mare about cues than i know. joey coat tails thats your new name

 

[Matt_24]

Think all you want. But Mark and I discuss just about every thread. It's also not his business name. If you were half as good at research at you were just typing you would know that. He also knows that I will defend my position with a tenacious demeanor. He has seen all the threads, as well as has been a part of some in his own right.

JV (--since you seem to be lacking some info.. the cue's are offered by both of us.. some mine, some his.

Well, then the webmaster has been slacking. When I linked to classiccues.com, it said that the cues were offered by Mark K. Didn't say Mark and Joe. It did not mention your name, other than offering your email at the top if I remember correctly. Perhaps that is the webmaster's fault? I'm just stating the facts as I saw them on the website....and I assumed that one could call "classiccues.com" an alternate name for *his* business?

 

[dave sutton]

Well, then the webmaster has been slacking. When I linked to classiccues.com, it said that the cues were offered by Mark K. Didn't say Mark and Joe. It did not mention your name, other than offering your email at the top if I remember correctly. Perhaps that is the webmaster's fault? I'm just stating the facts as I saw them on the website....and I assumed that one could call "classiccues.com" an alternate name for *his* business?

little man acting big. hes a tag-along. a hired hand to make sure no one steals marks cues. he cant make any calls. maybe hes stumbled into a few cues blindly might i add. u better believe i will be up his ''u know wha'' on every cue he posts for now on. dont slip up

classiccues.com says"

Welcome to the new Pool Table Magic site. Here you will continue to see the cues that Mark Kulungian offers, and some of his collection. We will also showcase our new room in the near future. So please check back, as we plan to have the room pics up shortly.

i think mark lives in conn. and our friend joe lives in nj. makes u wonder huh

 

[guycrunch]

a lot of people talking about things they know nothing about. some of the cues on classiccues.com are mark's and some are joe's. i know this for a fact firsthand. what these two have for a business deal is their own business and nobody else's. time for cooler heads to prevail here. i don't think i am interested in following the incessant rantings of someone who is here only to dog another az-er.

guy

 

[dave sutton]

a lot of people talking about things they know nothing about. some of the cues on classiccues.com are mark's and some are joe's. i know this for a fact firsthand. what these two have for a business deal is their own business and nobody else's. time for cooler heads to prevail here. i don't think i am interested in following the incessant rantings of someone who is here only to dog another az-er.

guy

you cant say that i also have cues for sale. plus if joe makes a statement and it is so obv wrong and out of line and 3 or 4 ppl call him out on it its not dogging him its proving him wrong. then he still wants to argue. hes came into my for sale thread to ruin it and im not suppose to react. sry man. and believe i will be watching his

 

[hangemhigh]

MARK, I'M TIRED AND HUNGOVER, SO I WAS BEING DEFENSIVE......THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT TRY TO PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE, WHEN SOMEONE MAKES A GOOD POST.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET PICKED APART BASED ON MY STATEMENT. WHAT A CUEMAKER DOES BEFORE THE CUE LEAVES THE SHOP, DOES NOT IN MY OPINION EFFECT THE RATING OF THE CUE. SO WE AGREE ON THIS.

I SEE CUES MISREPRESENTED ALL THE TIME, AND IT REALLY BOTHERS ME. IF THERE WAS WORK DONE TO A CUE, IT SHOULD BE DISCLOSED. IT SHOULD ALSO BE DISCLOSED WHO DID THE WORK. I HAVE ALREADY PASSED ON SEVERAL CUES, FROM SEVERAL DEALERS, BECAUSE OF WHO/WHAT WORK HAD BEEN DONE.

HOW'S THIS SITUATION, THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF A CUE HAS IT MADE WITH THREE SHAFTS.....USES THE CUE WITH 1 OF THEM, BEATS THE CRAP OUT OF THE CUE, SENDS THE BUTT TO GET REFINISHED, AND THEN SELLS THE CUE AS NEW WITH THE 2 UNPLAYED SHAFTS!!!!!!!!!!! THIS ISN'T JUST HYPOTHETICAL EITHER, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN SEVERAL TIMES. I HAVE BECOME VERY CAUTIOUS WITH WHO I BUY FROM. IT HAS BECOME VERY IMPORTANT THE LAST FEW YEARS TO HAVE ALOT OF FRIENDS IN THE BUSINESS, SO THAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BUYING.

My feelings exactly. Some here are offended when questioned,but the reality is this type of thing occurs frequently.

For you who question Joe Vann's involvement with Mark,I suggest you ask Mark personally. He is easy to contact,and you will have no further questions when you speak with him.A long time ago Mark made this statement to me. "Joe Vann is an important member of the Billiards industry....."

 

[cornerstone]

I dont take first shots!

OK you need to go back and look at posts 28, 36 to see who started taking pot shots as you call it. Methinks that poster got what he deserved and then got out to town. It sounds like these two have some history that many here are not aware of. I would not be so quick to judge either based just on this.

to help clear your clouded judgment, post 19 was a shot at me for posting this a while back http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=51323 and i did not head out of town just got my priortys straight and and spent some great time with my lovley family ,figured I will not entertain the stabbs comming from others. no offense I under stand how it looked . but the first shot came from classic joe! Best wishes and now i will get out of town

 

[hangemhigh]

Conerstone,that is one impressive avatar!

 

[cornerstone]

Conerstone,that is one impressive avatar!

thank you , I love these type of post.I hate having to fight and defend myself aginst pot shots but thak you and you put a smile on my face, that deserves rep points . one of my calander pics. I hope you have a nice night i just got back from a great concert with my wife and iam turning in!

 

[classiccues]

to help clear your clouded judgment, post 19 was a shot at me for posting this a while back http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=51323 and i did not head out of town just got my priortys straight and and spent some great time with my lovley family ,figured I will not entertain the stabbs comming from others. no offense I under stand how it looked . but the first shot came from classic joe! Best wishes and now i will get out of town

Bill,
You're to full of yourself. Albeit you are an artist with the sharpie in regards to hiding faults in cues, it was a general statement. You're also not the only one that had done it. So you need to stop thinking the world revolves around you, it's not very Christian.

JV

 

[classiccues]

Well, then the webmaster has been slacking. When I linked to classiccues.com, it said that the cues were offered by Mark K. Didn't say Mark and Joe. It did not mention your name, other than offering your email at the top if I remember correctly. Perhaps that is the webmaster's fault? I'm just stating the facts as I saw them on the website....and I assumed that one could call "classiccues.com" an alternate name for *his* business?

Thats exactly what the titles says.. I wrote it. As I write the majority of the text thats there. I don't feel the need to outline Mark and I's business arrangement again, besides it's no one else's business.

JV