Shane is Back In the Cup!

Svb 2018 mc

There seem to be a lot of comments about how SVB will be bad for the 2018 MC team, how he never performs, etc. While I agree that he hasn't always shined I think it has been more a sign of the team bringing him down rather than him bringing the team down, and I feel he's done more good for the team than harm.

There are fair points on both sides and I'm not looking to pick a fight or high roll anyone, but it would be fun to have a sweat on this match. I'll bet between $100 to $250/set on each singles match SVB plays. This would ONLY apply to his singles games, no doubles, etc. Whatever the bet size would apply to each set, so if he wins one and loses one (like 2017) then the bet would be a push. Must be on GAL and I must confirm (this event is a ways out so I want to make sure I'm aware if this is accepted).
 
Tin Man said:
There seem to be a lot of comments about how SVB will be bad for the 2018 MC team, how he never performs, etc. While I agree that he hasn't always shined I think it has been more a sign of the team bringing him down rather than him bringing the team down, and I feel he's done more good for the team than harm.

There are fair points on both sides and I'm not looking to pick a fight or high roll anyone, but it would be fun to have a sweat on this match. I'll bet between $100 to $250/set on each singles match SVB plays. This would ONLY apply to his singles games, no doubles, etc. Whatever the bet size would apply to each set, so if he wins one and loses one (like 2017) then the bet would be a push. Must be on GAL and I must confirm (this event is a ways out so I want to make sure I'm aware if this is accepted).
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Whether he likes it or not, he is the best player on the team and needs to lead by example. Maybe if he started winning more, then the team would show more confidence on the table. Half the time in the past, he looks like he doesn't even want to be there.
 
westcoast said:
One- it isn’t the official definition of insanity. Two- you should never leave the best player off the team- you could make a strong argument he is actually the best player in the world
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:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

Zero argument can be made about him being the best player in the world as he is not even in the discussion.

Save yourself the time as I can care less about him being a so called dominant favorite if it was a race to 100 and all the other typical excuses his nuthuggers usually bring up.
 
As usual people are doing it wrong. The USA's record in the Cup has nothing to do with coaching, and everything to do with the simple fact that they are massively favored each and every year. BUT they're not favored because of any of that extraneous nonsense like coaching or chemistry or any of that bull. Or even because their players are 'better' (whatever that even means).

They're favored because of the format.

The MC is 9-ball played alternate break from a break box on new cloth with tricky pockets. This is how many tournaments the Euros have in a year to play in with virtually those EXACT conditions:

Upcoming
02-04 August 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard Veldhoven Open
20-23 September 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard Leende Open
11-13 October 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard Klagenfurt Open
15-17 November 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard Treviso Open

Past events
12-14 April 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard St. Johann im Pongau Open
01-03 March 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard BHR Treviso Open
16 - 18 November 2017 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Diamond Nine / Dynamic Billard Treviso Open

And I'm sure they have a host of smaller local events not listed on the Euro Tour website.

In the meantime care to guess how many tournaments the American players have with that format? That would be ONE -- the US Open.

For the most part the American 'tour' -- such as it is -- is comprised of 10-ball, 1-pocket, and bar table events, with the odd 9-ball event thrown in. Yet even the 9-ball events that the tour does have, only one has a format similar to the MC, and that's the Open. The other two big ones -- Turning Stone and the DCC -- are played with different breaking rules.

With that kind of edge and with the caliber of these players a golden retriever could have 'coached' the Euros to a winning record. They're competing in a format they play regularly, vs a team that plays it at best only once a year.

So, if Matchroom is really looking for a way to make the US team more competitive, the answer is clear. They should dump the coach and take the money they're spending on him and his travel and use it to sponsor a "Mosconi Cup Series" 9-ball tour in the US. Five stops, $10,000 added a stop, all played under MC conditions and format. If they solicited some local sponsorship in the US they probably wouldn't even need to come up with all the added money themselves. Plus they could contract with local streamers like POVPOOL, Ray Hansen, Cue Sports Live, or Upstate Al to do the webcasting and that would cut production costs as well.

Doing that would make a lot more sense than looking for some magical recipe of 'mental preparation' or some other nonsense. Which I guess is why it probably won't happen. A guy can dream though.
 
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Bergman out because he missed one stupid boot camp event? No Dechaine, no Earl on the preliminary list? Sorry, but this looks like a recipe for losing another one - Shane or no Shane.
 
Bbutler said:
So, if Matchroom is really looking for a way to make the US team more competitive, the answer is clear. They should dump the coach and take the money they're spending on him and his travel and use it to sponsor a "Mosconi Cup Series" 9-ball tour in the US. Five stops, $10,000 added a stop, all played under MC conditions and format. If they solicited some local sponsorship in the US they probably wouldn't even need to come up with all the added money themselves. Plus they could contract with local streamers like POVPOOL, Ray Hansen, Cue Sports Live, or Upstate Al to do the webcasting and that would cut production costs as well.
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This is a good idea...
 
Bob Jewett said:
He was selected to coach Team USA because of his success with Team Europe in the past. It is an unusual move, but it seems that something unusual is required for the MC at this stage.
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Not so unusual as it seems desperate...only time will tell.
 
I agree with the idea of MC style tournaments in the US. It would be awesome to see those events well promoted and sponsored.
 
Regardless of what people say about how Shane has played in the previous MC, he is the best player we have by far. A sub par performance by Shane is still as good as any of the other players on the team.
Win or lose you have to run your best horse.
 
9BallKY said:
Regardless of what people say about how Shane has played in the previous MC, he is the best player we have by far. A sub par performance by Shane is still as good as any of the other players on the team.
Win or lose you have to run your best horse.
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Yes,and in addition if we were to check his past singles matches I would wager he is almost always playing the best players on team Europe and doing the heavy lifting.
 
asbani said:
isn’t johan the coach of europe team? I’m confused i thought he was with europe years ago in the mosconi cup


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Time for BOLD Predictions

Without Shane on the team: Europe 11 USA 3
With Shane on the team Europe 11 USA 4
 
us820 said:
Yes,and in addition if we were to check his past singles matches I would wager he is almost always playing the best players on team Europe and doing the heavy lifting.
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Here are Van Boening's Mosconi Cup singles matches, with wins highlighted in blue:

2007
Peach 6-2
Drago 2-6
Stepanov 6-4

2008
Drago 5-2
Souquet 2-5
Immonen 3-5

2009
Immonen 6-3
Souquet 3-6
Souquet 6-2

2010
Van den Berg 6-5
Appleton 2-6

2011
Melling 5-6
Van den Berg 6-5
Van den Berg 6-2

2012
Ekonomopoulos 3-5
Appleton 0-5
Appleton 5-1

2013
Immonen 5-6

2014
Appleton 3-5
Appleton 2-5
Ekonomopoulos 2-5

2015
Appleton 1-5
Feijen 4-5
Boyes 5-4

2016
Appleton 3-5

2017
Shaw 5-1
Shaw 4-5

Total
Games 106-116
Matches 11-16
 
RioSevario said:
I agree with the idea of MC style tournaments in the US. It would be awesome to see those events well promoted and sponsored.
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Yes, me too. A good place to start would be with Regional Tour All-star teams. I'd love to see a match between the Joss Tour all-stars and the Mezz Tour (Oscar's tour) all-stars in a Mosconi type match.
 
sjm said:
Yes, me too. A good place to start would be with Regional Tour All-star teams. I'd love to see a match between the Joss Tour all-stars and the Mezz Tour (Oscar's tour) all-stars in a Mosconi type match.
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A friend of mine keeps talking about all sorts of tournament and tour ideas like this, state vs state, league vs league, tour vs tour would be interesting also.

I personally would love to something like your/my local TAP league and APA league pick out their best player (maybe by player vote), have everyone in the league put in a $10 bill in a hat and have the two guys duke it out in a race to 15 or something. I would bet a pool hall/bar would dump a few 100 added to the pot, imaging two leagues worth of players there for a few hours hooting talking crap at each other over beers.
 
AtLarge said:
Here are Van Boening's Mosconi Cup singles matches, with wins highlighted in blue:

2007
Peach 6-2
Drago 2-6
Stepanov 6-4

2008
Drago 5-2
Souquet 2-5
Immonen 3-5

2009
Immonen 6-3
Souquet 3-6
Souquet 6-2

2010
Van den Berg 6-5
Appleton 2-6

2011
Melling 5-6
Van den Berg 6-5
Van den Berg 6-2

2012
Ekonomopoulos 3-5
Appleton 0-5
Appleton 5-1

2013
Immonen 5-6

2014
Appleton 3-5
Appleton 2-5
Ekonomopoulos 2-5

2015
Appleton 1-5
Feijen 4-5
Boyes 5-4

2016
Appleton 3-5

2017
Shaw 5-1
Shaw 4-5

Total
Games 106-116
Matches 11-16
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Since 2012
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Bbutler said:
As usual people are doing it wrong. The USA's record in the Cup has nothing to do with coaching, and everything to do with the simple fact that they are massively favored each and every year. BUT they're not favored because of any of that extraneous nonsense like coaching or chemistry or any of that bull. Or even because their players are 'better' (whatever that even means).

They're favored because of the format.

The MC is 9-ball played alternate break from a break box on new cloth with tricky pockets. This is how many tournaments the Euros have in a year to play in with virtually those EXACT conditions:

Upcoming
02-04 August 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard Veldhoven Open
20-23 September 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard Leende Open
11-13 October 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard Klagenfurt Open
15-17 November 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard Treviso Open

Past events
12-14 April 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard St. Johann im Pongau Open
01-03 March 2018 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Dynamic Billard BHR Treviso Open
16 - 18 November 2017 EuroTour - 9 Ball - Open Diamond Nine / Dynamic Billard Treviso Open

And I'm sure they have a host of smaller local events not listed on the Euro Tour website.

In the meantime care to guess how many tournaments the American players have with that format? That would be ONE -- the US Open.

For the most part the American 'tour' -- such as it is -- is comprised of 10-ball, 1-pocket, and bar table events, with the odd 9-ball event thrown in. Yet even the 9-ball events that the tour does have, only one has a format similar to the MC, and that's the Open. The other two big ones -- Turning Stone and the DCC -- are played with different breaking rules.

With that kind of edge and with the caliber of these players a golden retriever could have 'coached' the Euros to a winning record. They're competing in a format they play regularly, vs a team that plays it at best only once a year.

So, if Matchroom is really looking for a way to make the US team more competitive, the answer is clear. They should dump the coach and take the money they're spending on him and his travel and use it to sponsor a "Mosconi Cup Series" 9-ball tour in the US. Five stops, $10,000 added a stop, all played under MC conditions and format. If they solicited some local sponsorship in the US they probably wouldn't even need to come up with all the added money themselves. Plus they could contract with local streamers like POVPOOL, Ray Hansen, Cue Sports Live, or Upstate Al to do the webcasting and that would cut production costs as well.

Doing that would make a lot more sense than looking for some magical recipe of 'mental preparation' or some other nonsense. Which I guess is why it probably won't happen. A guy can dream though.
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The Euros and Filipinos would just get all that $$$$ too.

Why should they sponsor any tour/tournament??? They produce the Mosconi cup, that is their tournament. Should the US open sponsor other events? How about buffalo billiards and the other places that put on big events?

It sure is easy spending other peoples money isn't it?

Why dont you put up the $$$$ for other events? What's that? Crickets
Jason
 
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