Sharking: 1968 vs. 2008

gulfportdoc

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The San Jose Dick quote which follows brought a topic to my mind: Is there any difference in the tolerance for sharking today in contrast to 40 years ago? Were players in the 1960's tougher than they are today in the new millennium?

I recall that sharking and commenting were much more widespread and acceptable then. Oftentimes players would try to rattle the other guy, although it was usually only safely practiced turning a player's own turn.

Certain guys were legendary for this practice: Ronnie Allen, Fats (of course), Keith McCready, Mike Sigel, etc. If a guy couldn't take the heat, and either throw it back at them or ingnore them, they simply couldn't prevail.

Since the advent of tournament play, and social forces, that type of repartee is pretty rare these days. Times have changed. I'm not sure that's a bad thing, but it sure takes some of the character out of pool.

Last summer I watched a great 1P match-up btween Cliff Joyner and Billy Incardona for 5 bags over in Mobile. I won't mention the spot, so as not to knock their action, but it was a thrill-packed contest. Cliff's backer kept trying to shark Billy, since the backer had agreed to play Billy for the same amount at a similar spot, only in reverse, at the match's conlcusion.

What surprised and delighted me was that Billy just kept throwing it right back at the heckler. Being a warrior from the old school, Billy not only didn't get rattled, but he verbally overcame the guy, and sent him back to the shadows. (BTW Joyner took no part in the sharkfest, and behaved as a perfect gentleman.) The outcome? Billy won that set, then the backer refused to play the promised followup match!

Doc

SJDinPHX said:
Yes, Cookie did have that cross to bear. He had a great one pocket mind and could play the game with anyone. His weakness was he was easily distracted (antenea ears) and could not overcome any type of woofing.
RA and others used to torture him. He fared better in tournaments, where the sharking was somewhat under control, than in gambling for just that reason. Good guy though. Dick
 
I was never exposed to any big time pool as a kid but what is called sharking now was just part of the game back then. Same thing in baseball. What they used to call bench jockeying doesn't exist anymore.
 
gulfportdoc said:
The San Jose Dick quote which follows brought a topic to my mind: Is there any difference in the tolerance for sharking today in contrast to 40 years ago? Were players in the 1960's tougher than they are today in the new millennium?

I recall that sharking and commenting were much more widespread and acceptable then. Oftentimes players would try to rattle the other guy, although it was usually only safely practiced turning a player's own turn.

Certain guys were legendary for this practice: Ronnie Allen, Fats (of course), Keith McCready, Mike Sigel, etc. If a guy couldn't take the heat, and either throw it back at them or ingnore them, they simply couldn't prevail.

Since the advent of tournament play, and social forces, that type of repartee is pretty rare these days. Times have changed. I'm not sure that's a bad thing, but it sure takes some of the character out of pool.

Last summer I watched a great 1P match-up btween Cliff Joyner and Billy Incardona for 5 bags over in Mobile. I won't mention the spot, so as not to knock their action, but it was a thrill-packed contest. Cliff's backer kept trying to shark Billy, since the backer had agreed to play Billy for the same amount at a similar spot, only in reverse, at the match's conlcusion.

What surprised and delighted me was that Billy just kept throwing it right back at the heckler. Being a warrior from the old school, Billy not only didn't get rattled, but he verbally overcame the guy, and sent him back to the shadows. (BTW Joyner took no part in the sharkfest, and behaved as a perfect gentleman.) The outcome? Billy won that set, then the backer refused to play the promised followup match!

Doc































I do not know much, but Sharking is alive and well in the Waters of the Valley of the Sun in 2008.

I see it all the time, encounter it all the time, and try may best to ignore the Sharks, and the Sharking Non Sense.
 
Doc, I "feel" sure the second half of the bet will be honored this year! Don't you? See you in August. And you can't leave Billy out of that 'OLD SCHOOL BUNCH'. He's GOOD!
 
I was yelling and screaming about 2 weeks ago in the poolroom trying to get as much $$$ in the fire as possible, I only got one bag in :( , Believe me you know when Fatboy is in the house,,,,unless I dont have anything to bet with. ;)
 
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It's just part of the game, a guy needs to be exposed to it and learn how to deal with it or you'll just fold up like a candy ass at the first sign of it

BTW, all of the sharking I have seen in the pool room doesn't hold a candle to the shit that goes on while golfing (however, that may just be my brother and his buddies):grin:
 
I was born in 1968 but didn't run my first rack of nine ball until 1970.

Seriously, I grew up playing in the 80's and I really never experienced much sharking, I had a few guys try and pull it on me but I soon found out the best way to defeat a shark is to buckle down and play even better.

I think sharking is much less acceptable these days.
 
bigshooter said:
I was born in 1968 but didn't run my first rack of nine ball until 1970.

Seriously, I grew up playing in the 80's and I really never experienced much sharking, I had a few guys try and pull it on me but I soon found out the best way to defeat a shark is to buckle down and play even better.

I think sharking is much less acceptable these days.

When I was a kid sharking was when the guy bumped the butt end of your cue while you were shooting. A guy running his mouth was so common that everybody just ignored it.
 
Hope so...

memphisbill said:
Doc, I "feel" sure the second half of the bet will be honored this year! Don't you? See you in August. And you can't leave Billy out of that 'OLD SCHOOL BUNCH'. He's GOOD!
I don't know if Billy has any plans to attend Mobile this year or not. I sure hope so! Billy is the real McCoy, and fascinating to watch. I'm always inclined to bet with him, rather than against him.:wink: Be sure to say Hi at Breakers.

Doc
 
alstl said:
When I was a kid sharking was when the guy bumped the butt end of your cue while you were shooting. A guy running his mouth was so common that everybody just ignored it.

I think everyone is talking about sharking amongst serious pool players.

I am pretty sure a serious pool player from ANY year would expect to get knocked the f*** out for hitting someone's cuestick when they are stroking.

10 year olds need not apply to this thread conversation.... :D :D :D

Russ
 
bigskyjake said:
It's just part of the game, a guy needs to be exposed to it and learn how to deal with it or you'll just fold up like a candy ass at the first sign of it

BTW, all of the sharking I have seen in the pool room doesn't hold a candle to the shit that goes on while golfing (however, that may just be my brother and his buddies):grin:

It is funny how this changes from area to area.

In the old days we just gave a simple warning. If they kept it up, just crack their skull with something. Not the best tactic, but you only have to do it once and the word gets around pretty quickly and few will dare you again.

Most who do it today can't seem to play well einough to back it up anyway.
 
Well Sharking is Sharking be it between serious player, or in a $5.00 Entry Fee Tournament.
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My definition of Sharking is any thing an opponent does to me, or I do to an opponent to distract my concentration on the game of pool i am engaged in.
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List to include, but not limited to.

Talking to me when I am down on a shot

Talking softly about me or my shot to a third part when I am down on a shot

Smearing Chalk all over the rails when playing

Asking me during a game about my equipment

Walking away from the play area during a match

Like I said any action, talk that will distract me when I am engaged in a match
 
Every Tuesday I've been playing pool with a bunch of old geezers at the senior citizen center. Ages 75-93.
All but one play with $15 sticks; he's got a Meucci Original,
they've got great strokes, rarely miss, play strong po,
AND NEVER SHUT UP!
It's like running the gauntlet playing these guys.

I am getting used to it and they're starting to realize that I've got
a big mouth too.

All in all, a lot of fun.
 
hondo said:
Every Tuesday I've been playing pool with a bunch of old geezers at the senior citizen center. Ages 75-93.

I never knew you were that old. Your typing skills are still pretty good.
 
hondo said:
WHOA!!!!!
I'm the pup in the group. I turned 60 last Friday.:p

What city do you live in West Virginia? We are heading up there in a week or two. Where's the cool pool rooms?

JAM
 
JAM said:
What city do you live in West Virginia? We are heading up there in a week or two. Where's the cool pool rooms?

JAM



Jam, I play in Clarksburg at the Midtown Lounge. Pretty dead.
One in Shinnston has a little action but they're only open Thurs,-Sat.
in the evening.
One in Grafton is lively at times and they're open from early morning till late at night, I believe.
Not a whole lot.
Where are you guys going to be?
 
hondo said:
WHOA!!!!!
I'm the pup in the group. I turned 60 last Friday.:p

As I'm getting older (62) and approaching retirement I've been keeping an eye open for one of these senior centers with pool tables or a >55 community with pool tables, but there are just none around here. You're lucky to have that one.
As to sharking, drives me crazy. Noise, crowds all get me out of sorts. I sometimes think I've autistic tendencies, lol. Nothing I can do about it.
 
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