Shipping Question

Tank138

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Just wanted to know if anyone has had any problems shipping a cue that is loaded with Ivory to Canada ? What would be the best method of shipping to Canada from the States ,that I can get insurance on ?
Thanks in advance
Tank
 
Tank138 said:
Just wanted to know if anyone has had any problems shipping a cue that is loaded with Ivory to Canada ? What would be the best method of shipping to Canada from the States ,that I can get insurance on ?
Thanks in advance
Tank

Don't use FedEx.....I have used USPS Express Mail with no problems.
 
USPS is the way to go...

I usually use USPS Priority to Canada... typically list as a gift... but declare the value for insurance purposes... you can go online at USPS.com and use the "click and ship feature" and it will walk you through the whole process...

hope that this helps you...

regards,

GP
 
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Tank138 said:
Just wanted to know if anyone has had any problems shipping a cue that is loaded with Ivory to Canada ? What would be the best method of shipping to Canada from the States ,that I can get insurance on ?
Thanks in advance
Tank


Thanks For the input Guys.

Will USPS let you ship Priority Registered?I know that insurance on plain priority mail & express mail yo can only insure for 5k But if you send it Registered Priority mail you can go as high as 25k.Also will this cover me out of the USA?

by the way
I will never use Fed Ex even in the states .I have had too many problems with FED EX.
Thanks Again
Tank
 
Tank138 said:
Thanks For the input Guys.

Will USPS let you ship Priority Registered?I know that insurance on plain priority mail & express mail yo can only insure for 5k But if you send it Registered Priority mail you can go as high as 25k.Also will this cover me out of the USA?

by the way
I will never use Fed Ex even in the states .I have had too many problems with FED EX.
Thanks Again
Tank

THE POSTAL SERVICE INSURANCE STOPS AT THE BORDER. ASK YOUR LOCAL POSTMASTER WHAT THE BEST WAY TO SHIP IT IS. GOOD LUCK.
 
I would avoid USPS Priority Mail International to Canada, and use USPS Express Mail International instead. It's only about 7$ more and gets there about twice as fast (5 days). The tracking # for USPS Priority is pretty useless. Looking it up online, the only thing it will tell you is that the item was accepted at the post office, next entry is after it's delivered. USPS express has more entries (like when it gets to canada and gets out of customs) so it's a lot more useful.
 
You mean "IF" it gets out of Customs! For a cue worth $5,000, I wouldn't take the risk myself. I have had them open stuff up. They had a problem with my Customs Broker converting Rubles to Canadian dollars, so they said.
Purdman
 
Tank138 said:
I will never use Fed Ex even in the states .I have had too many problems with FED EX.
Tank

Federal Express Claims Service IMHO SUCKS.
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15 years as a Federal Express Customer, doing 10-15 Packages/Week, and the way I was treated over one claim.

Made me say NEVER FED EX anything again....
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FYI...unless I am mistaken, it is illegal to import ivory into Canada. It is my understanding that not even pre-ban ivory is permitted for importation. I would definitely check this out before making any plans to ship across the border.

Lisa
 
ridewiththewind said:
FYI...unless I am mistaken, it is illegal to import ivory into Canada. It is my understanding that not even pre-ban ivory is permitted for importation. I would definitely check this out before making any plans to ship across the border.

Lisa


Its not illegal to import ivory to canada if ivory is part or made on the product that you purchased...the only illegal to send ivory to canada if its a chunk of ivory not ready to made....I'm from Toronto, Canada and i have no problem using USPS EXPRESS or PRIORITY....you can put $100 or $200 custom value....as long there's an custom value no one in USPS will steal your package because there will be an investigation. Hope that help :) ... the only problem i had was the person i dealt here pretend that he shipped the package but he never did... and blaming custom or fedexLMAO :D :D....fedex did indeed hold the package if its over $200 of custom value ...fedex will hold it and require an broker to claim you package and its a pain in the butt lol
 
Canada

USPS Priority Mail to Canada has a $675 insurance maximum. Express Mail has a $5K insurance maximum. There is no International Registered Mail option (and no way to obtain higher insured value).

The importation of elephant ivory products into Canada is prohibited, and the customs agents have the option of seizing and destroying articles they see as violating this prohibition.

"The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) was established to protect wild animals and plants from over exploitation by regulating their international trade. Canada was an original signatory to the Convention in 1975 and is among 151 countries around the world that enforce CITES today. Canada's law to prevent illegal import and export of endangered species and their derivatives is the Wild Animal and Plant Protection and International and Interprovincial Trade Act (WAPPRIITA)."

Elephant ivory (Canada excludes walrus tusks as that type of ivory is important for some native cultures there) is the main product tageted by CITES.

Hope this helps

Kevin
 
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kvinbrwr said:
USPS Priority Mail to Canada has a $675 insurance maximum. Express Mail has a $5K insurance maximum. There is no International Registered Mail option (and no way to obtain higher insured value).

The importation of elephant ivory products into Canada is prohibited, and the customs agents have the option of seizing and destroying articles they see as violating this prohibition.

Hope this helps

Kevin

Thanks, Kevin. I was told this very same thing by another Canuck. I was told that the only ivory you see in cues north of the border these days is mammoth ivory, which is legal because it is 'harvested' inside Canadian borders.

Anymore, you are taking a risk sending anything with elephant ivory in it outside of U.S. borders. While many get through Customs without seizure, there are those that do not. Just doesn't hardly seem worth the risk to me.

I did ship a cue with ivory in it overseas to Taiwan once. I was a complete wreck waiting for the buyer to receive it. The package had a declared value of $200 (per buyer's request), and the buyer absolved me, as the seller, of any responsibility, should something have happened, like damage or seizure. It didn't matter, I was still anxious until the seller emailed to advise me that he had the received the cue in good order. I would have felt just horrible had something have happened. That kind of stress just isn't worth it to me...I'll never do it again for that very reason alone.

Lisa
 
ridewiththewind said:
Thanks, Kevin. I was told this very same thing by another Canuck. I was told that the only ivory you see in cues north of the border these days is mammoth ivory, which is legal because it is 'harvested' inside Canadian borders.

Anymore, you are taking a risk sending anything with elephant ivory in it outside of U.S. borders. While many get through Customs without seizure, there are those that do not. Just doesn't hardly seem worth the risk to me.

I did ship a cue with ivory in it overseas to Taiwan once. I was a complete wreck waiting for the buyer to receive it. The package had a declared value of $200 (per buyer's request), and the buyer absolved me, as the seller, of any responsibility, should something have happened, like damage or seizure. It didn't matter, I was still anxious until the seller emailed to advise me that he had the received the cue in good order. I would have felt just horrible had something have happened. That kind of stress just isn't worth it to me...I'll never do it again for that very reason alone.

Lisa

Lisa

Depending on the payment type, the buyer can say he absolves you, but push comes to shove (he's out his goods and his money), you end up with a credit card chargeback and the goods have been confiscated.

Or, worse, as is the case with Canadian customs, they actually have the right to seize and destroy your stuff and then to prosecute and/or fine you.

I'm with you on the stress, life is way too short to spend any time worrying about stuff like this.

Kevin
 
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The cue can be seized by customs inspectors. US and Canada are both part of the 170 + CITES countries.

http://www.cites.org/

In order to ship the cue to Canada, you will need an export permit from the USA stating that the ivory was legal , and the buyer will need an import permit from Canada.

If you ship and declare high dollar value, then it could be a red flag for an inspector. I know of someone who had a cue seized at the Canadian border (trying to cross with a cue he was selling) because it had an ivory joint. They gave it back to him when he came back to the US.

Chris
 
kvinbrwr said:
Lisa

Depending on the payment type, the buyer can say he absolves you, but push comes to shove (he's out his goods and his money), you end up with a credit card chargeback and the goods have been confiscated.

Or, worse, as is the case with Canadian customs, they actually have the right to seize and destroy your stuff and then to prosecute and/or fine you.

I'm with you on the stress, life is way too short to spend any time worrying about stuff like this.

Kevin

I can see that, with a CC payment. The transaction I dealt with was paid with a bank wire transfer, and a great deal of trust on the buyer's part. The buyer was straight-up, and a pleasure to do business with. It was because of these factors that I would have felt just terrible had something gone awry. I am just tickled that it all went well, and that he was delighted with the cue.

Since that time, my tastes in cues has taken a turn. I now tend to prefer a simpler cue that lets the wood do the talking. If I want inlays, I will stick with wood inlays. If I need it to look like ivory, I will request a holly instead. They may not have the same value as an ivory inlayed cue has, but I am okay with that. :)

Lisa

PS - Sorry Tank if this is an everso slight thread hi-jack. :o
 
You might want to read this

The Beginner said:
Its not illegal to import ivory to canada if ivory is part or made on the product that you purchased...the only illegal to send ivory to canada if its a chunk of ivory not ready to made....I'm from Toronto, Canada and i have no problem using USPS EXPRESS or PRIORITY....you can put $100 or $200 custom value....as long there's an custom value no one in USPS will steal your package because there will be an investigation. Hope that help :) ... the only problem i had was the person i dealt here pretend that he shipped the package but he never did... and blaming custom or fedexLMAO :D :D....fedex did indeed hold the package if its over $200 of custom value ...fedex will hold it and require an broker to claim you package and its a pain in the butt lol

I now know not to mess with exporting/importing ivory to Canada.

http://www.ec.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=714D9AAE-1&news=E456290A-CB9E-4457-AE21-8F5FF7AD491F

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cm/d19-7-1/d19-7-1-02-e.html#Wild Animal
 
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Thanks for the help

Thanks for all the help.
I knew you guys would know the answer.
Thanks Again,
Tank
 
it might actually be easier to stick it in a secure case to avoid damage and not declare it full value. also, if the buyer is willing ask him to pay for overnight delivery. this black boar sounds expensive so im assuming paying an extra 50 bucks for shipping on a 5k+ cue isnt a huge deal for the guy. if u overnight it in a good case i dont think u'll have any problems.
 
I believe that a $10-25k item is pretty much destined to be inspected. Also, I would expect a hefty import tarif on it.
Joe
 
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