Shot clocks at The Southern CLassic!!!

The Renfro

The Renfro

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After the use of the shot clocks at Derby City for the 10ball this year.. Greg Sullivan and Pat Fleming have agreed that shot clocks will be in use at the Southern Classic on every arena match... Banks, One-Pocket, 9ball and of course the 10ball on the 10foot for the semi and final matches....

This will keep the arena table on schedule with the draws so there should be no dead time where a round is missed because of a match going too long and missing the window for getting a new match into the arena....

This is great news for the PPV viewers and the spectators attending the event.....

I'm looking forward to The Southern Classic having a rhythm that has been lacking at DCC and last years Southern....

With all of that said.. I don't have information on what length of shot clock will be used in each event....

I was wondering what the AZ population thought would be adequate lengths for a shot clock in each discipline? I know several posters will say "NO SHOT CLOCK" but I have to paraphrase Bob Jewett "If you cannot execute in a timely manner, You need to be on the practice table and not in a match"....

Chris
 
The Renfro said:
After the use of the shot clocks at Derby City for the 10ball this year.. Greg Sullivan and Pat Fleming have agreed that shot clocks will be in use at the Southern Classic on every arena match... Banks, One-Pocket, 9ball and of course the 10ball on the 10foot for the semi and final matches....

This will keep the arena table on schedule with the draws so there should be no dead time where a round is missed because of a match going too long and missing the window for getting a new match into the arena....

This is great news for the PPV viewers and the spectators attending the event.....

I'm looking forward to The Southern Classic having a rhythm that has been lacking at DCC and last years Southern....

With all of that said.. I don't have information on what length of shot clock will be used in each event....

I was wondering what the AZ population thought would be adequate lengths for a shot clock in each discipline? I know several posters will say "NO SHOT CLOCK" but I have to paraphrase Bob Jewett "If you cannot execute in a timely manner, You need to be on the practice table and not in a match"....

Chris
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10 ball and banks are fine are their are typically only 1-2 realistic options.

1 pocket should not have a time limit. The beauty of the game is having 15 balls that you can go off of and potentially hundred of shot options. If you rush this, you are taking some of the magic out of the game.
 
Since Greg and Pat have decided on shot clock, I think 45 seconds is fine for rotation and bank games. 150 seconds for One Pocket.
 
There should also be a 60-second "allowance" for the first time you come to the table in each game.
 
vapoolplayer said:
I'm not a fan of shot clocks, but don't mind them in rotation/bank games.

40s in 1pocket is fairly ridiculous though, IMO. There's quite bit more than just an extra 10s worth of thinking on each shot.

Taking 2-3min on some shots isn't at all uncommon in 1pocket.
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Funny how when there is a 1-hole player in the booth he calls most of the shots to take in a few seconds :wink:. Johnnyt
 
I forgot about the extentions.

As pointed out, you can shorten the shot clock, but provide one extension per game for those situations where some thoughts are required. That would be fair to both competitors.
 
The Renfro said:
After the use of the shot clocks at Derby City for the 10ball this year.. Greg Sullivan and Pat Fleming have agreed that shot clocks will be in use at the Southern Classic on every arena match... Banks, One-Pocket, 9ball and of course the 10ball on the 10foot for the semi and final matches....

This will keep the arena table on schedule with the draws so there should be no dead time where a round is missed because of a match going too long and missing the window for getting a new match into the arena....

This is great news for the PPV viewers and the spectators attending the event.....

I'm looking forward to The Southern Classic having a rhythm that has been lacking at DCC and last years Southern....

With all of that said.. I don't have information on what length of shot clock will be used in each event....

I was wondering what the AZ population thought would be adequate lengths for a shot clock in each discipline? I know several posters will say "NO SHOT CLOCK" but I have to paraphrase Bob Jewett "If you cannot execute in a timely manner, You need to be on the practice table and not in a match"....

Chris
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So the shot clock will ONLY be used on the Arena table? Not a fan of that unless the other tables are playing under the same rules. Also not sure how that would keep the "arena table on schedule with the draws" as there are no draws until all matches are clear. The Arena table will just sit there with dead air until the other tables finish up, like at this year's Derby.
 
I think the chess clock would be a good solution for 1-pocket. Some situations are dead obvious and others are real stumpers. So you take 5 seconds for the easy ones and bank 35 seconds for the headscratchers.
 
bdorman said:
There should also be a 60-second "allowance" for the first time you come to the table in each game.
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I like the shot clock since I play fast. 60 seconds is good unless you are over 60 years old with bad back and knees.:sorry:
 
I noticed that this is only on arena/TV matches.

Sooooo, what happens if a player refuses to play in an arena match? Whether it be because they don't want to be on TV, they don't want to be on the clock or because of another reason?

And I say this because, last year, I was standing next to a very, very big name player who flatly told a Southern Classic official that he wouldn't play in an arena match.

Just seems strange to me that you could play in 10 matches off to the side at your own pace and then suddenly be thrown into the lion's den with everyone watching and you're being told to shoot quicker than you're comfortable with........for big cheese.

Yes, I realize that there are guidelines, deadlines, etc. etc., but some of these guys do this for a living. And some of them make a living at a slower pace than others.

Nothing may come out of this, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were grumblings.
 
Joe_Jaguar said:
So the shot clock will ONLY be used on the Arena table? Not a fan of that unless the other tables are playing under the same rules. Also not sure how that would keep the "arena table on schedule with the draws" as there are no draws until all matches are clear. The Arena table will just sit there with dead air until the other tables finish up, like at this year's Derby.
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Actually when you have draws going on for banks vs 1pocket and 1pocket vs 9ball there have been times that a match was not played on the arena table because there was an overlap between disciplines..... Draws will still lead to some dead air but hopefully missing a draw won't cause additional dead air....
 
I agree with a chess like clock for one pocket. Have the tournament organizers choose what they think is the longest they would like a single game of 1P to go and divide that by 2. This will be the total time usable during a game by each player. You run out of time? You foul, your opponent gets BIH behind the line, and 1 or 2 min is added to your clock.
I think this is a good solution because it allows for slower play at the beginning of a rack when it is needed and then you can fire faster at the end with 2-3 balls on the table.
 
They used a 40-second clock at DCC for the streamed matches near the end of the 9-ball and 10-ball events. That seemed to work fine.

One pocket, I don't know. I certainly don't want to watch a repeat of the Runnels/Appleton match -- 3 games in 2 1/2 hours. How about a shot clock and a game clock? The guy who is ahead after x minutes wins the game. That would introduce some new tactics!
 
I like the idea of a shot clock for all rotation games. 30 seconds, one 30-second extension per rack, clock doesn't start until outgoing players butt touches his/her chair.

Hell, put a shot clock on the racking too!!!

Maniac
 
fathomblue said:
I noticed that this is only on arena/TV matches.

Sooooo, what happens if a player refuses to play in an arena match? Whether it be because they don't want to be on TV, they don't want to be on the clock or because of another reason?

And I say this because, last year, I was standing next to a very, very big name player who flatly told a Southern Classic official that he wouldn't play in an arena match.

Just seems strange to me that you could play in 10 matches off to the side at your own pace and then suddenly be thrown into the lion's den with everyone watching and you're being told to shoot quicker than you're comfortable with........for big cheese.

Yes, I realize that there are guidelines, deadlines, etc. etc., but some of these guys do this for a living. And some of them make a living at a slower pace than others.

Nothing may come out of this, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were grumblings.
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If I was the TD or promoter I would explain that added money is not a charity. To play for it one must be willing to do what is required. Playing on a stream table when chosen is one of those requirements.

Simple.
 
JasBy said:
I agree with a chess like clock for one pocket. Have the tournament organizers choose what they think is the longest they would like a single game of 1P to go and divide that by 2. This will be the total time usable during a game by each player. You run out of time? You foul, your opponent gets BIH behind the line, and 1 or 2 min is added to your clock.
I think this is a good solution because it allows for slower play at the beginning of a rack when it is needed and then you can fire faster at the end with 2-3 balls on the table.
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I think this is an absolutely great idea for One Pocket --- and maybe all the other games also. There may be a few variations of this.

One of these may be that when you run out of your alloted minutes, there is no foul but you have to shoot every 30 seconds. Then if you do not shoot in 30 seconds it is a foul.

Just a thought ---- What do you think???
 
JCIN said:
If I was the TD or promoter I would explain that added money is not a charity. To play for it one must be willing to do what is required. Playing on a stream table when chosen is one of those requirements.

Simple.
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Damit Justin... there you go being all reasonable again...
 
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