Shotty tip work (rant and questions)

Rackemep said:
I just payed $50 for 2 Moori mediums installed by a "Professional" and it looks like a 2 year old did it...The guy that did it is the only guy withing a 2 hour drive of me that does cue work. He told me that he could salvage the existing pads and save me the cash for new ones but it looks like all he did was pop the old tips off and glue new ones on (didn't smooth the pads out so that the new tip has a flush surface to mount to) I have never done my own tip work :embarrassed2:...but I guess its time to learn. Am I hosed? or do these look salvageable When I asked as to why the tips aren't flush with the ferrules he said "It's to risky for him to do it on the lathe because of my Ivory ferrules" and that he would just leave the "fine tuning" to me...
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:......I'm 99.9% sure he's not a member here so I'm not going to say a name...

What equipment do I need to do my own tip work? Should I pop these tips off and start from scratch? I'm really hoping these tips are salvageable because I'm already in the dog house with my wife for getting these ones....Thanks for any advise

Shaun

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This guy is a hack wanna be cue-repair guy and whether he is on this forum or not you should post his name to keep anyone else from using this wanna be. The person that did this has no clue about cue work period.

It doesn't matter what the material the ferrule is made of a good repair guy or maker can cut the pad and tip flush with the ferrule with out fear of what the ferrule is made of.

Looks like he did it with a pocket knife while walking.
 
His name is Paul he gos by peeps...I have never seen such horrible tip work and believe it or not that was done on a lathe
 
:eek:...if that was his 2nd attempt,he'd be wearing both shafts up his ASS if they were mine...and I thought the incident that led to me doing tournament repairs was bad.

OUT HIM...Tommy D.
 
YEP...Worst job I've ever seen...

aside from some house cues...that I've seen...

I've done several hundred...and I'd never let one out of my possession looking like those...

So, Yes, you got hosed...I'd go back and raise hell, and show him this post, and tell him to sell his lathe...and get my money back...

Must be a Shaftmaster lathe...LOL...

jwe
 
Take a trip to phx and go see jazz at the metro sports bar or roger at bull shooters. Its worth the drive, have some lunch play some pool, get out of town for the day.

Thanks Rick.
 
rvan said:
Take a trip to phx and go see jazz at the metro sports bar or roger at bull shooters. Its worth the drive, have some lunch play some pool, get out of town for the day.

Thanks Rick.
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It'd be nice to get out to PHX and play some real players again...hell its been 7-8 yrs since I've played out there...Is Bull Shooters the room that took over the old Lazy Cue? I trust that Kolby's 6-Shooters and Main Street are still around?
 
A Brad Scuffer and a tip shaper. What does that have to do with the side wall of those tips. That is the biggest issue. Anyone can shape a tip.

You can shape a telephone pole with a Brad. Thats worse than 50 grit sand paper.
Anyone that would maintain a tip with one of those. well, they deserve the end result.

Using a Brad is like giving an artist a 6 inch paint brush and asking for a master piece.

I shave the tips down to the diameter of the ferrule after I glue the sucker on there with a dremel
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Yep, just like the UTube video of the girl using a bench grinder to shape a tip. Always someone willing to jump in with dangerous advice.
There are at least 2 major things wrong with this great advice. You figure it out.

Here is how not to do it. Actually, the girl does not bad until she starts up the bench grinder. If someone using a bench grinder on your shaft doesn't scare
the crap outta you, then you have more nerve than I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX2pKoHe9Y0
 
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WOW, I did better work by hand. 50.00 bucks for that, he should quit doing tips.
 
They should be playable like that if they stay on. He appears to have rounded the ends of the ferrules at the pads, which sucks. When you go to change the pads the next time that would be an issue. I wouldn't let him touch my shafts again as he doesn't have the ability to do anything positive to your tips. Unfortunately, its hard to know going in if the person you're giving your cue to knows what he's doing. The guy you used doesn't, and it would be nice if you could use these pages to get your money back. Maybe we could put together an 'interview' of sorts on here of questions for players to ask their new repair people. "Do you prime your tips, and, if so how? What glue do you use?", etc. I had a strong lady player from Seattle tell me one time, "I've heard you do nice tip work. I want a new Moori and if the ferrule is tapered at the end by the tip when I get it back, I'm going to kill you", haha.
 
Rackemep said:
I just payed $50 for 2 Moori mediums installed by a "Professional" and it looks like a 2 year old did it...The guy that did it is the only guy withing a 2 hour drive of me that does cue work. He told me that he could salvage the existing pads and save me the cash for new ones but it looks like all he did was pop the old tips off and glue new ones on (didn't smooth the pads out so that the new tip has a flush surface to mount to) I have never done my own tip work :embarrassed2:...but I guess its time to learn. Am I hosed? or do these look salvageable When I asked as to why the tips aren't flush with the ferrules he said "It's to risky for him to do it on the lathe because of my Ivory ferrules" and that he would just leave the "fine tuning" to me...
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:......I'm 99.9% sure he's not a member here so I'm not going to say a name...

What equipment do I need to do my own tip work? Should I pop these tips off and start from scratch? I'm really hoping these tips are salvageable because I'm already in the dog house with my wife for getting these ones....Thanks for any advise

Shaun

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Not to sound rude, but was the guy blind so he let his seeing eye dog do it ?
That sucks even if it was free. Goodluck
 
Rack, Chuck has a good technique. I can't open his Link but I have seen his thread previously.

If you watch the Seybert video, yer on you're way.

The Q Top sander is a must.

The Porper Mushroom grazer is what I used. The Porper Little Shaver can also help you out.

I will put the shaft, tip down on the work surface and use a sharp blade to go around and cut the tip in portions. Then you can use the Grazer to clean up the tip.

If you choose to use the Porper Shaper, if you don't hold the shaft into the hole at a proper angle, it will Cone your tip for you. Other than that, it works ok.

The Nickel shaper on the other end works A OK.

The Porper Burnisher also works very well. It can take out minor Mushrooms for you as well, as long as you don't twist it on too hard. You can also use a piece of leather to burnish and do a decent job.

Some fine sand paper. I'm going to say pretty fine at either or both 150 and 180.

120 is great for shaping a tip.

Ah, also one of those curved shapers with 120 grit paper as they will come in handy
for scuffing and shaping. A great tool for your case.

I take the big ones and cut them down to 4". Thats all you need for length.

I hate to say it but the first hand tip that I did put that guys jobs to serious shame. And you can do the same. I've screwed a couple up, you will too.
I have also messed a couple up using my lathe as well. The difference is, when I mess up, I do it over perfect. Nothing leaves my shop looking like that.
If it did, I wouldn't get any repeat Biz.

The guy is a little Jizz Monkey and shouldn't touch others equipment.

For well under a 50, you can do your own. I would suggest getting ahold of Tom Hay in the Machinery Forum and get a handful of Ultra Skins for real cheap. Not only will you be very pleased with them, if you mess one up, it won't hurt your feelings or wallet that much.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
A Brad Scuffer and a tip shaper. What does that have to do with the side wall of those tips. That is the biggest issue. Anyone can shape a tip.

You can shape a telephone pole with a Brad. Thats worse than 50 grit sand paper.
Anyone that would maintain a tip with one of those. well, they deserve the end result.

Using a Brad is like giving an artist a 6 inch paint brush and asking for a master piece.



Yep, just like the UTube video of the girl using a bench grinder to shape a tip. Always someone willing to jump in with dangerous advice.
There are at least 2 major things wrong with this great advice. You figure it out.

Here is how not to do it. Actually, the girl does not bad until she starts up the bench grinder. If someone using a bench grinder on your shaft doesn't scare
the crap outta you, then you have more nerve than I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX2pKoHe9Y0
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One mans Hell is another man's heaven. It's what I do.
Works fine for me. I have nice clean shiny unmarked ferrules.
I did say I had been doing it for a good long while.

But now that you want to be pointing out the dangers of certain equipment, go right ahead and use that mushroom grazer or the porper little shaver... suuuuuure. no risk what-so-ever there.

I just love being invited to be snarky.

Love and Jelly beans!

Lesh
 
No offense Lesh. If you feel comfortable about a high speed grinding wheel close to your ferrule and you have practiced at it and feel good, more power to you.

Certain tools are meant for certain jobs and I don't believe that a grinding wheel has a place close to a ferrule, thats all.

The Porper Little Shaver, because of its shape, will never come close to cutting a ferrule.
It isn't possible with one.

The Porper Grazer has an adjusting screw so as to move the cutting blade up and down
so you can place the tip fully in the little machine and have the blade even with the top of the ferrule. You would have to go out of your way to actually damage the ferrule.

Even if you weren't sure, you would adjust the blade just shy of the ferrule and do the rest with paper or figure something else out.

I have a couple of Dremels and think they are the nuts for doing many small jobs. I loves em myself.

If I mess a ferrule up, I can replace one in no time.

For the average hand tipper, if you mess your ferrule up, you just bought yourself a world of hurt and more expense. My main point actually.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
No offense Lesh. If you feel comfortable about a high speed grinding wheel close to your ferrule and you have practiced at it and feel good, more power to you.

Certain tools are meant for certain jobs and I don't believe that a grinding wheel has a place close to a ferrule, thats all.

The Porper Little Shaver, because of its shape, will never come close to cutting a ferrule.
It isn't possible with one.

The Porper Grazer has an adjusting screw so as to move the cutting blade up and down
so you can place the tip fully in the little machine and have the blade even with the top of the ferrule. You would have to go out of your way to actually damage the ferrule.

Even if you weren't sure, you would adjust the blade just shy of the ferrule and do the rest with paper or figure something else out.

I have a couple of Dremels and think they are the nuts for doing many small jobs. I loves em myself.

If I mess a ferrule up, I can replace one in no time.

For the average hand tipper, if you mess your ferrule up, you just bought yourself a world of hurt and more expense. My main point actually.
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I feel ya. I was out of line to suggest that someone who has never replaced a tip should even think about using a dremel. But it's just so easy for me, save so much time to just turn the sucker on and zip the tip around on it.... buzzes the excess off instantly. I come razor close to the ferrule (as one should) but I've never nicked any of them.

Peace to ya,

Lesh
 
Nothing wrong at all.

When someone starts a thread and asks for a hand, everyone has a different way of doing things. So everyone pitches in. Thats a good thing.

Someone can take all the different advice given and make it work for them. They just are going to develop what is the easiest for them. I bought just about every different tool out there and spent a ton, only to find out at a later date, like a big dummy, that I could have done it so much cheaper.
Just with a blade and a couple of other tools.

Thats the nice thing about cue repair. There are so many helpful hints and techniques that people have come across over the years.

Its like, as always, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Yet, I can't believe that you use a Brad. I bought one long ago. Thats like some serious shards of glass in there.

Maybe yer just supposed to roll it across the tip, I don't know but they scare the heck outta me.
 
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Oh man the Brad is so awesome. I can rip through a tip in no time to the shape I like. I use the dremel (which is immovable) like a grinder and get a rough shape form that, then I just go to town with the Brad. It's what I've used my entire Pool life for shaping tips. I know its supposed to be a scuffer, but its way to wicked to use that way. I use a simple cube scuffer for that.

The Brad is super fast. I rake the tip from the center out in one fast motion and just spin the shaft around. I should make a short film of it with my phone. I can shred any tip down to perfection with that thing.
 
Just goes to show a skilled craftsman is worth his weight in GOLD!!!

There are only a very few people I let touch my cue and I tip them VERY WELL!!!

I drive 40 minutes there and back for Bob Fry! I drove an hour there and back to Mike Capone! I trust Ted Harris to put a tip on right and Joe Blackburn!!! That is it!

Everyone else is GAMBLING! These guys have EARNED a good reputation for workmanship and attention to detail. The kind of work pictured does not go un-noticed and My questions to you are: Are you his first customer? What did you base your decision on to send him your cue? If it was a referral I would be irate with who ever sent me to that guy!

Sincerely,
KD
 
Kid Dynomite said:
Just goes to show a skilled craftsman is worth his weight in GOLD!!!

There are only a very few people I let touch my cue and I tip them VERY WELL!!!

I drive 40 minutes there and back for Bob Fry! I drove an hour there and back to Mike Capone! I trust Ted Harris to put a tip on right and Joe Blackburn!!! That is it!

Everyone else is GAMBLING! These guys have EARNED a good reputation for workmanship and attention to detail. The kind of work pictured does not go un-noticed and My questions to you are: Are you his first customer? What did you base your decision on to send him your cue? If it was a referral I would be irate with who ever sent me to that guy!

Sincerely,
KD
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Yup...we are in a bit of a lathe free zone, aren't we?
Last round I did, I mailed a half dozen shafts to Florida. :nono:
 
Kid Dynomite said:
Just goes to show a skilled craftsman is worth his weight in GOLD!!!

There are only a very few people I let touch my cue and I tip them VERY WELL!!!

I drive 40 minutes there and back for Bob Fry! I drove an hour there and back to Mike Capone! I trust Ted Harris to put a tip on right and Joe Blackburn!!! That is it!

Everyone else is GAMBLING! These guys have EARNED a good reputation for workmanship and attention to detail. The kind of work pictured does not go un-noticed and My questions to you are: Are you his first customer? What did you base your decision on to send him your cue? If it was a referral I would be irate with who ever sent me to that guy!

Sincerely,
KD
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Yeah it's one we take for granted, I'm lucky in the sense we have a local guy who does great work.
 
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