Sigel blows it in IPT commentary!

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Hal said:
Suppose you have ball in hand and stumble as your getting into your stance and miscue horribly hitting the cueball with the ferrule and shaft? Do you get to shoot again? I think not.
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You people are getting all worked up over nothing. The interpretation of that rule was changed the 2nd day of the KOH tournament. No longer a foul to touch the cue ball with cue prior to game starting. Read the thread all about this in IPT forum.
 
Zero Tolerence!

Jeez you guys! Getting so worked up about just another pool player!

I think you're shooting yourselves in the foot by responding to this. Can you play? Can you run racks? Can you take critisism? Can you wash dishes?

Heh heh.. That last bit was just to create a bit of aggro...

Me? I have a dishwasher.

Her name is Consuela.

Ha ha hah hah. I can be such a tease at times.

I don't mean it though. I would like you to see me as a 'nice' tease.

Just my style. I'll give as good as I get....

As regards quality of pool?

C'mon ladies, are you for real? No, I mean really, are you for real???? I'll offer a nickel to your 1 dollar in a race to 7. I will. Really.

You'll have to come to Glasgow though. Coz I can't be bothered travelling elsewhere. Although I will be at the Norwegian Open in July, in Oslo, if you want to meet me there...

x

BS - a chauvanist.
 
Barbara said:
I watched this for the first time on OLN with my husband and he thought Sigel's commentary was totaly ridiculous. "Girls"?? He calls Allison and Karen "Girls"??

I won't schedule the IPT on divo any time soon. Mike Sigel is one joke of a commentator!!

Barbara
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Well, at least you can TIVO it when Efren hands him his MCP's ( male chauvinist pig ) azz.
 
It's pretty obvious the bad-mouthing women players is an angle... Mike isn't saying those things off the top of his head. It's not a personal opinion, but Trudeau's business tack. No reson to feel scandalized by our PC scruples...

Mike's sliped in his commentary about the rules, but he's not a professional commentator so, mistakes happen.

BTW, the rule about moving the CB was always clear: can't move it with the tip, but only the ferrule or shaft.
 
Scott Lee said:
Sigel made a major error in his commentary. In the second match, between Gabe Owen and Shawn Putnam, they're both hill-hill (7-7), with Putnam breaking. Putnam almost scratches on the break, and Sigel comments that if he HAD scratched, he would have lost the game automatically. Now, he MAY have meant that the other player would likely run out (and that's probably true), but the average person watching would not understand that, and would be thinking, "Oh, if you scratch on the break, you lose!" That's a shame, because there are already WAY too many people that believe that's a real rule. I get that question in almost every exhibition that I do. Geez Sigel...what a gaff!:eek: :rolleyes::D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I dunno about 8-ball, but in 9-ball I think they estimated that for the male pros, a scratch on the break, a pro will run out something like 90% of the time. Maybe Mike was just so used to talking about the game with advanced players, he just let it slip. Either way, I don't think this is something really worth causing a ruckus about.
 
The real problem is not with Mikes wrong comment about losing on the scratch after the break. The problem is with Mike the Mouth coming off like a complete idiot. He did bash the women. His comment about Gerda was totally uncalled for. Almost everthing he said made him sound like a fool. My wife was not even watching but kept looking at me & rolling her eyes...she actually asked who was commenting. Sigel used to be great many years ago...but now? He looked totally unimpressive beating LJ.
He can play Allie some 9 ball on a tight table any day for my money. Karen too. The game has passed him and he knows it. He can't even beat shortstops in FL if the truth be known!
 
Scott Lee said:
Sigel made a major error in his commentary. In the second match, between Gabe Owen and Shawn Putnam, they're both hill-hill (7-7), with Putnam breaking. Putnam almost scratches on the break, and Sigel comments that if he HAD scratched, he would have lost the game automatically. Now, he MAY have meant that the other player would likely run out (and that's probably true), but the average person watching would not understand that, and would be thinking, "Oh, if you scratch on the break, you lose!" That's a shame, because there are already WAY too many people that believe that's a real rule. I get that question in almost every exhibition that I do. Geez Sigel...what a gaff!:eek: :rolleyes::D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Doesn't it seem that the commentary is being done to a tape and was not done during the tournament but months later? If thats the case, Sigel can sound like a genius since he knows everything that happened during the match as well as he should not make any mistakes.
 
Varney Cues said:
He can play Allie some 9 ball on a tight table any day for my money. Karen too. The game has passed him and he knows it. He can't even beat shortstops in FL if the truth be known!
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How do you know that? Have you ever seen Allison or Karen gamble? For all we know they could play like dogs in a money game. Mike was a great money player, and he probably still is once he gets his feel back.
 
macguy said:
Doesn't it seem that the commentary is being done to a tape and was not done during the tournament but months later? If thats the case, Sigel can sound like a genius since he knows everything that happened during the match as well as he should not make any mistakes.
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No, he made many shot predictions that didn't pan out.
 
Yes I have seen Allison gamble...and she'd punk his azz if he continues to play as he does now. I don't argue that he "used" to be one of the greatest ever...currently he his not...and their are many "girls" out there now who could handle his current game. He'd probably think that Jasmin, Kelly, and GaYoung play just "good enough" like former World Champion Gerda.
And after rewatching the show...when he said "automatically lose" it indeed sounded like a rule...even to me.
 
This talk of girls is just Riggs v King all over again. It was entertaining then and it is now too. Lighten up ladies.....Mike has the mouth of Archie Bunker from a bygone era. The goal in the 70's was to rile up the feminists so they'd tune into see King beat a guy who was an over the hill has been (similarities to Mike perhaps???).

As for the gaff in coverage about scratching on the break, I heard it too. It did make me question the rule, and it wasn't until Allison scratched on the break that I realized Mike misspoke.

Positioning the ball with the cue. This was called on Allison last week as well as Bustamonte this week. The foul was described as touching the CB with the tip. If you were watching both Allison and Buste used the shaft behing the ferrule to move the ball. I was under the impression that this was only a foul when the ferrule or tip contacted the ball.......

Korr is still in it Ladies......She'll be the one to take Mike down ala Billy Jean King. Are you seriously going to miss it because Mike pissed you off???

McCue Banger McCue
 
Barbara said:
I watched this for the first time on OLN with my husband and he thought Sigel's commentary was totaly ridiculous. "Girls"?? He calls Allison and Karen "Girls"?? What a friggin chauvanistic egomaniacal b@st@rd he is!! Plus, he can't commentate worth a sh$t! It's a good thing his stupid blonde wife doesn't understand where he comes from! Or did, once... unfortunately, he did reproduce...

I won't schedule the IPT on divo any time soon. Mike Sigel is one joke of a commentator!!

Barbara
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Much like all TV today, we have to remember that a lot of i is hammed up to the audiance, and would not doubt a lot of it is rehearced. It's not like it is live. The matches are all obviously edited. It's like reality TVtoday, so many people beleive what the see because it is "reality", no it's TV and edited very well. I actually agree with what you are saying except I think when Sigel did comentaring on ESPN matches I've seen, I have always like him the best.
 
There are mistakes made in live commentary all the time. Then you hear them correct themselves. What happens is they have an expert listening to the commentary. Then the commentator that made the mistake will hear in their ear piece, 'you made a mistake when you said bla bla bla'. Then they correct their mistake. I don't think this is Mike's fault, you get on a roll talking and something misleading came out. It happens, someone should have told him he did it so he could explain it.
 
"Mike the Mouth" didn't exist before the IPT. The moniker was a creation of the IPT to stimulate controversy. Apparently it's working since apparently enough people --even on this board, where one would think the audience is knowledgeable enough to know better--buy the ruse.

Mike's comment about losing by scratching on the break is obvious to experienced pool players. He meant it as the likely probablity. It's just the way he and many other pool players talk about the game. It was "shorthand" for, 'The breaker scratched, so the guy coming to the table will probably run out.' Mike's comment, obviously not a rule, seems to have confused even some of the more obtuse members here, so it is unfortunate that he said it that way, since the target audience--neophytes--would likely not understand and misinterpret the same as those few here did.

As for his comments about the women, last week and this week, what part of calling Allison one of the greatest shotmakers in the game did you all miss? The only negative thing he said about her game is her break is weak. Which is undeniably true. In fact, until she worked hard on her break over the past couple of years, her break was weak even among the women. Now it's average in the women's ranks. Same for Karen. So stating they have a weak break is simply an observation, not a judgement.

Gerta is a favorite of mine. She's bright, charming, fun and a fine pool player. But there is no way she is in the same catagory as Allison and Karen. Again, this is just a fact. Mike stated correctly she is in the tier below Allison and Karen. How is that sexist? Yes, she did beat Earl, but has anyone ever seen Earl play worse? I haven't. Clearly Earl's mind was somewhere else.
 
macguy said:
Doesn't it seem that the commentary is being done to a tape and was not done during the tournament but months later? If thats the case, Sigel can sound like a genius since he knows everything that happened during the match as well as he should not make any mistakes.
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I think you're right about the commentary being done to an edited tape. After all, they edit lots of the dead time between shots, and I didn'tt notice any of the comments being spliced.

But I doubt they let Mike watch the whole rack(s) first before he does the commentary. Neither do I think they should do that. The commentary should come off as spontaneous and unrehearsed. Mike should reason out the decision making process as if he was the one running the rack. So far, I think he's done a rather good job. So much better than LJJ's commentary in the Reyes vs. Sigel matches.

As for the Mike's commentary flub, I also think that it was a pretty significant gaff that should have been corrected on the spot...maybe even editted out. We all know what he was thinking when he said it, but not the majority of the general audience. It would lead to confusion about the rules, and confusion is definitely something the IPT should avoid.
 
TannerPruess said:
Yes it is anywhere. Allison Fisher scratched in the side on the break and gave Bustamante BIH. He put the cue ball near the rack area to shoot a combo, but he move the cue ball with his stick to position resulting in BIH for Allison. Allison missed the combo. :o
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If you watch the first show from last week, she got called for doing that before the break, lost the break to whoever she was playing (i forget) then he did the same exact thing as soon as he got to the table and didn't get called for it! Amazing. Go back and check it out if you TiVod it.

Alex
 
poolhall maven said:
It's probably true that the ladies do not have as strong a break, therefore they were not able to win as many games--I'm not sure if it was bad mouthing but, he was really bugging me by calling the best women players in the world girls--he didn't call the men boys...I felt like he was demeaning the very best women players in the world --it is politcally incorrect and definitely old school. I can see why they call him the mouth... but, he used to be known as Captain Hook.
I don't want to say any more unpleasant things because any pool on tv is good for our sport and thank you to Kevin Trudeau.
PHM
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From a marketing standpoint it isn't a very bright thing to do. When Korr beat Archer and dominated the match they could have spun that in a positive way to promote the show instead of going in the opposite direction and dumping on the play of the women. I have doubts about whether the IPT will make it on tv given the way they are marketing it.
 
alstl said:
The thing I don't understand is why he keeps badmouthing the women. Are they trying to alienate potentially a large portion of the audience, and if so, why?
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After the 3rd or 4th time I realized that he meant that "the women" couldn't or didn't break as hard as the men and were therefore at a disadvange, because even when they made a ball on the break, which wasn't as frequent as the men (which he inferred), the balls weren't scattered as far apart resulting in tougher run outs. He said that this made it hard (or impossible)for the women to string together multiple racks.
 
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