Similar Problem as Longhair While Playing 1-Pocket

[rack'em zach'em]

I was playing this guy last week and I got him in the stack pretty good. Instead of trying to shoot it. He put his ferrel on the cue ball and moved it over behind another where I couldn't do jack squat...I've seen people touch the cue ball with their ferrel, but never move it behind another ball...Let me know guys..

 

[Bob Jewett]

I was playing this guy last week and I got him in the stack pretty good. Instead of trying to shoot it. He put his ferrel on the cue ball and moved it over behind another where I couldn't do jack squat...I've seen people touch the cue ball with their ferrel, but never move it behind another ball...Let me know guys..

I think you have to come to an agreement with him on the rules you're going to play by. He seems to play by a different set.

 

[TIMBER1]

whats a foul worth

Wouldnt this fit under Jersey Reds A fouls a foul?

 

[Get_A_Grip]

He and Efren have a lot in common...sort of...

Reminds me of a straight pool match between Efren and Dallas West -- Efren attempts to make an intentional foul -- but uses the ferrule instead of the tip...and guess what? Yeah, it was a foul -- and I think the tournament rule was something like he got a 15 ball penalty and Dallas got to break a fresh rack...or something like that.

Hitting the cue ball with the ferrule is similar to a miscue (a case when this also happens) -- so as for it being a foul -- I guess it would depend on if he intentionally did it or not and the extent to which he moved the cue ball around... (although you can never really prove that a miscue was intentional)...

 

[JMB]

I was playing this guy last week and I got him in the stack pretty good. Instead of trying to shoot it. He put his ferrel on the cue ball and moved it over behind another where I couldn't do jack squat...I've seen people touch the cue ball with their ferrel, but never move it behind another ball...Let me know guys..

YOUR SHOT SIR

 

[ShootingArts]

a whole 'nother smoke

I was playing this guy last week and I got him in the stack pretty good. Instead of trying to shoot it. He put his ferrel on the cue ball and moved it over behind another where I couldn't do jack squat...I've seen people touch the cue ball with their ferrel, but never move it behind another ball...Let me know guys..

This a lot different deal than the move discussed earlier that someone could have made with a tip and just used the ferule to achieve the same result. Here we would have moved the cue ball back where it was and he would have reshot using the tip or I would have taken down my money and walked away. If you are really feeling froggy that is unsportsmanlike conduct, loss of game. I assume this was in informal play.

Hu

 

[JMB]

YOUR SHOT SIR

YOUR SHOT SIR - I owe 1 - Here it is, making it just a little bit tighter for YOU.

 

[1pRoscoe]

A foul is a foul.... If you haven't seen this before, then you haven't played enough one pocket yet....

-Ross
used that move before

 

[desert1pocket]

There are several situations where, according to the rules, a foul is not just a foul. I would give him his warning, and explain that the next intentional foul like that would result in loss of game due to unsportsman like conduct. If the player didn't agree to play by the rules, I would play the move the entire table to my hole foul.

It amazes me how many good players who have been playing forever still don't know the rules of the game. Just the other day I played someone who didn't realize that the opponents ball/s stay down if made during a push shot. He thought he was being clever using the old school push shot safety move.

 

[alstl]

A foul is a foul.... If you haven't seen this before, then you haven't played enough one pocket yet....

-Ross
used that move before

I haven't played much one pocket, but what's to prevent the other guy from taking his ferrule and moving the cue ball wherever he wants it? Then it becomes a goofy situation doesn't it?

This belongs in the "gayest things in pool" thread.

 

[jay helfert]

Often in One Pocket, when the cue ball is tied up, a player will just touch it with his tip or ferrule and take the foul. When you start trying to move the cue ball around with the ferrule that is another thing. If you just move it to the side one way or the other, no big deal. Just a foul.

But if you try to roll the cue ball around, and maneuver it with the ferrule, you're on thin ice with this move. Definitely not cool. If my opponent tries this move, I will give him a warning and tell him nothing doing. If he tries it a second time, I'm done.

 

[1pRoscoe]

I haven't played much one pocket, but what's to prevent the other guy from taking his ferrule and moving the cue ball wherever he wants it? Then it becomes a goofy situation doesn't it?

This belongs in the "gayest things in pool" thread.

What I am talking about is typically no more than 1/2"-1" - it's more of a nudge than it is "relocating" the ball to wherever you please.... what I am talking about is common.

It's typically done with the cueball is buried in the stack and you don't have a shot - you can nudge it further into the stack this way and take a foul...

 

[1 Pocket Ghost]

There are several situations where, according to the rules, a foul is not just a foul. I would give him his warning, and explain that the next intentional foul like that would result in loss of game due to unsportsman like conduct. If the player didn't agree to play by the rules, I would play the move the entire table to my hole foul.

It amazes me how many good players who have been playing forever still don't know the rules of the game. Just the other day I played someone who didn't realize that the opponents ball/s stay down if made during a push shot. He thought he was being clever using the old school push shot safety move.

desert1p, You are 100% correct - a foul is not always JUST a foul - certain, more egregious fouls come under the heading of unsportsmanlike conduct and dictate a harsher penalty than loss of one ball or one point. Here's a possible example of that type of foul that transpired at the DCC last year, and which I witnessed....

Piggybanks was playing Shawn Putnam in a tournament one pocket match........There were several balls lying randomly spread out down table in between both of their pockets, meaning that balls were there to be run for whoever got a shot first..........Shawn tried a straight back and missed, also narrowly missing a scratch in the bottom left corner pocket, and the cue ball ended up sitting in the jaws of the pocket...........Piggy was not corner-hooked by about 1/2 inch - Piggy did not have a good safety shot, and he didn't want to bet the whole game by shooting a long shot from the jaws...........Now, I have been in this situation many times, as I'm sure most of the one pocket players on here have been - one shot option in this spot is to very softly/delicately stroke the cue ball, having it just travel that 1/2 inch, resulting in corner-hooking your opponent...........Well, I guess Piggy didn't trust his soft-touch-stroke ^_^ so instead he just firmly, jammed-stroked the cue ball into the corner-hook........Well, Shawn came flying out of his chair, ballistic - telling Piggy that's an illegal shot and calling for Scott Smith - you think Shawn considered that a normal, garden-variety foul ? - not hardly.


And besides, all sports have fouls, and then they have MEGA-FOULS, for example:

Boxing.....In a clinch, you can nibble a little on your opponents ear and maybe just get a point subtracted ^_^ - But if you bite your opponents ear completely off, you're disqualified - and what the hell is our old champ Mike doing these days anyway ?

Baseball.....Tell the umpire he's blind after calling you out, and just get a reprimand - call him a blind motherfu.... and you're out of the game.......and we can cite examples of fouls vs. MEGA-FOULS in every other sport in existence, from golf, to horse racing, to the olympic games.

- Ghost

 

[senor]

What I am talking about is typically no more than 1/2"-1" - it's more of a nudge than it is "relocating" the ball to wherever you please.... what I am talking about is common.

It's typically done with the cueball is buried in the stack and you don't have a shot - you can nudge it further into the stack this way and take a foul...

Agreed, but like desertonepocket said, it should be done with the tip of the cue and not with the shaft or the ferrule. If you play a lot for money or play a lot in one hole tournaments, this should be discussed this prior to starting. There are certain "intentional fouls" that some try that are tantamount to moving the cue ball with your hand. These intentional fouls are not in the spirit of the rule or the game and it should have the same result as if someone picked up the cue ball and moved it with their hands.

 

[senor]

And besides, all sports have fouls, and then they have MEGA-FOULS - Ghost

Beat me to the punch, Ghost. Besides, your story was much better. The last time I tried to pull that move on someone, he asked me how many times I fouled. That was a long time ago, and I didn't understand what he was getting at, at first.

 

[Pushout]

Reminds me of a straight pool match between Efren and Dallas West -- Efren attempts to make an intentional foul -- but uses the ferrule instead of the tip...and guess what? Yeah, it was a foul -- and I think the tournament rule was something like he got a 15 ball penalty and Dallas got to break a fresh rack...or something like that.

In Straight Pool, Efren would lose 15 points and have to break the rack as per the opening break. But, this only occurs on the third consecutive foul. I've never heard of this rule being applied for one intentional foul.

 

[nfty9er]

Nice story Ghost

desert1p, You are 100% correct - a foul is not always JUST a foul - certain, more egregious fouls come under the heading of unsportsmanlike conduct and dictate a harsher penalty than loss of one ball or one point. Here's a possible example of that type of foul that transpired at the DCC last year, and which I witnessed....

Piggybanks was playing Shawn Putnam in a tournament one pocket match........There were several balls lying randomly spread out down table in between both of their pockets, meaning that balls were there to be run for whoever got a shot first..........Shawn tried a straight back and missed, also narrowly missing a scratch in the bottom left corner pocket, and the cue ball ended up sitting in the jaws of the pocket...........Piggy was not corner-hooked by about 1/2 inch - Piggy did not have a good safety shot, and he didn't want to bet the whole game by shooting a long shot from the jaws...........Now, I have been in this situation many times, as I'm sure most of the one pocket players on here have been - one shot option in this spot is to very softly/delicately stroke the cue ball, having it just travel that 1/2 inch, resulting in corner-hooking your opponent...........Well, I guess Piggy didn't trust his soft-touch-stroke ^_^ so instead he just firmly, jammed-stroked the cue ball into the corner-hook........Well, Shawn came flying out of his chair, ballistic - telling Piggy that's an illegal shot and calling for Scott Smith - you think Shawn considered that a normal, garden-variety foul ? - not hardly.


And besides, all sports have fouls, and then they have MEGA-FOULS, for example:

Boxing.....In a clinch, you can nibble a little on your opponents ear and maybe just get a point subtracted ^_^ - But if you bite your opponents ear completely off, you're disqualified - and what the hell is our old champ Mike doing these days anyway ?

Baseball.....Tell the umpire he's blind after calling you out, and just get a reprimand - call him a blind motherfu.... and you're out of the game.......and we can cite examples of fouls vs. MEGA-FOULS in every other sport in existence, from golf, to horse racing, to the olympic games.

- Ghost

However in that situation I don't think you or I or any 1p player would care at that point simply for the fact he made the move 1st consequently
you may make the same move back twice and then he will be forced to shoot anyway. I would rather not foul in that situation just for the reason that I would rather shoot from that position than a corner hook.

 

[senor]

However in that situation I don't think you or I or any 1p player would care at that point simply for the fact he made the move 1st consequently
you may make the same move back twice and then he will be forced to shoot anyway. I would rather not foul in that situation just for the reason that I would rather shoot from that position than a corner hook.

Your point is understood, but to say that it would not matter to me, or Ghost or others is not correct...I would rather I need 1 and my opponent needs 2, than I need 3 and my opponent needs 4.

 

[alstl]

What I am talking about is typically no more than 1/2"-1" - it's more of a nudge than it is "relocating" the ball to wherever you please.... what I am talking about is common.

It's typically done with the cueball is buried in the stack and you don't have a shot - you can nudge it further into the stack this way and take a foul...

Why not use the tip instead of the ferrule? If I pick it up with my hand and only move it an inch is that ok too? I guess if everybody is ok with it then it must not be a big deal, but it seems odd that a person wouldn't want to use the tip.

 

[nfty9er]

Part way u understand

Your point is understood, but to say that it would not matter to me, or Ghost or others is not correct...I would rather I need 1 and my opponent needs 2, than I need 3 and my opponent needs 4.

Maybe if that is the game situation. But I would love to force my opponent to make a good hit on a corner hook for a loss of game. It is worth the gamble for the score to remain basically the same.