Siming Chen
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She's 47.
There are certain requirements needed to play this game at a high level that will decline with age.
Vision
Hand eye coordination
Endurance
She's past her prime. Every player at her age or older is past their prime. For the record, being past your prime is not the same as saying you can't play well anymore.
Efren was Karen's current age in 2002.
Who is to say minor negatives from vision/endurance, etc cannot be balanced by minor positives from knowledge/experience, etc.
If we go into watching Karen play thinking
--she's not as good because she's a woman
--she doesn't make as good decisions because she is a woman
--she is performing at a lower level than she use to because of her age
then we risk preferentially noticing things that confirm those... This is a separate issue from whether they are true.
I think we just need to look at Karen's results and avoid trying to put them in boxes. The results are the results...
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Karen at 47 would lose to Karen at 37. It doesn't mean that Karen at 47 is a bad player.
I fail to see the problem with saying someone is past their prime when it happens in all sports.
From close to the start of this thread there has been two parallel discussions going on. One is the difference between the sexes the other is the Fargo Rate.
You ignore the former and go on and on about the latter.
The parties understood that Chen was an underdog playing even that is why weight was given and then more and more weight.
Notwithstanding Fargo this is fairly easily understood.
What is amazing is that it happens at about the same rate as him exceeding his expectation against good competition. It is worth spending a minute trying to understand this chart. It is Rory Hendrickson's games against the lowest-rated established opponents. Rory is a 731; he plays at Karen Corr's speed. I use him because we have a ton of games for him.
The 1 to 0 scores here are league games. Then there are a few tournament matches, like 8 to 0 or 9 to 1.
Let me explain the columns. After the match score, there is the opponent's rating, then Rory's cumulative wine to that point and then the total number of games to that point. The last column is what Rory's Fargo Rating would be considering all the games up to that point.
You will notice Rory wins the first 23 games. So up to that point our best guess of his rating is infinity--we can't distinguish him from a god... Then he loses a game and the first real rating for him is 797 --about Justin Bergman's speed. Justing would be expected to keep up this win 32 out of 33 record against this competition.
Twenty games later Rory loses another couple games. You can see that by the bottom here, Rory has only played opponents that average about 400 points below him, and his record of 69 wins and 4 losses is enough information to suggest Rory (if we didn't know him) is likely shortstop or pro speed.
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There is not a problem in saying it; it's not like we are only ALLOWED to say things that are supported by the evidence
Florida winters are colder than New York winters... There. That felt kinda good ;-)
It is instructive and indeed highlights what I've been saying all along, that there is a difference between the sexes.
Men are judged on ability in sports and women can gain fame and fortune in a sport based on their looks.
The " Black Widow " was never the top woman player that I recall but she's the most famous personality in the game and out earns all the players.
Efren can't make a a ton of cash posing in a Speedo poolside, going to the bank marketing his sex appeal.
The Fargo Rate is predicated on a system that was used to rate the game of Chess. That is what was manifested to me by a forum member.
The difference between Chess and the game of Nine Ball is, Chess contains no luck at all and you can't say that about Nine Ball.
Do you understand the phrase, "past their prime"?
Do you understand the meaning of the word, "prime" in reference to athletes?
ahh.... yes.
FargoRate is not flawed, you will bite your own tongue in the future when Siming Chen, Han Yu and Chezka all get to be among the top 30 in the world and prove it. I am of the opinion that Siming Chen already currently plays well above Jean Balukas speed when Jean was in her prime!
Just food for thought, since the Black Widow makes the pittance that Chen collects from tournament winnings look diminutive: would you counsel Miss Chen to have breast augmentation?
Why? I would assume that having breast augmentation would actually interfere with the way she plays already. I am only guessing since I have no experience with cosmetic surgeries
I would say there are three parallel discussions
(1) Would Siming Chen compete amongst the men at the level her Fargo Rating suggests?
(2) Is the observed big performance gap between men and women dominated by nature or nurture --that is, which plays a bigger role: biological differences that can't change, or environmental/social issues that can.
(3) Do men play better than women?
I'd say you are the only participant in the third one.
Well glad that's settled.
For a moment I thought maybe you were living in a fantasy world where athletes continue to improve after the age of 40.
Good thing Siming Chen is only 22 or 23 at most