Skid
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Not a physics professor but if the balls are made of a harder compound would they deflect different than a softer compound and that be the problem and not skid ?
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though the cause of skids (or 'kicks' in snooker) hasn't been absolutely proven, it is widely believed to be electrostatic build up from the balls sliding across the cloth.
the cyclops balls, being a different polymer composition, supposedly counters this.
However if guys are reverting from the cyclops cueball back to the measle ball maybe that's part of the issue, as the cueball is the one doing most of the sliding..?
the cyclops balls, being a different polymer composition, supposedly counters this.
However if guys are reverting from the cyclops cueball back to the measle ball maybe that's part of the issue, as the cueball is the one doing most of the sliding..?
I wish I knew why all the skids happen at tourneys. When I play at my house with the measle ball maybe 3 skids shots in a month. Seen a lot of skids shots down in Tunica with a different set of balls. IMO these skids shots happen from polishing the balls with whatever wax they are using. I am a firm believer the balls only be cleaned with water and rag.
Different materials , but in bowling i believe softer bowling balls grab more than those that are made from harder compounds which skid more . Not sure how harder or softer compounds do on the table cloth . Wonder if the softer balls create more friction when drawn ?
akane
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i'm sure there are better/clearer videos somewhere on the entire-web, but a quick search found this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aBLIX7s86o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aBLIX7s86o
Chris had a 3 ball skid when we were playing the first match.
What I like most about the Cyclop balls is the fact that they don't STICK to each other or the cue ball.
Anyone that plays with the Aramith balls has seen an object ball rock back and forth and stick to the cue ball often. Weird.
Bill S.
What I like most about the Cyclop balls is the fact that they don't STICK to each other or the cue ball.
Anyone that plays with the Aramith balls has seen an object ball rock back and forth and stick to the cue ball often. Weird.
Bill S.
That shit they spray on balls everyday is part of the problem too.
There is a such thing as cleaning equipment too much.
Gotta be like BDF and have your own balls with you these days.
The static may attract more dirt to the balls which increase friction which is more likely to cause the skid.
When the forward roll of the CB grabs an OB and causes it rotate backwards into the CB like 2 gears meshing, they cling to each other for a split second. Maybe higher static properties enhance this.
When the forward roll of the CB grabs an OB and causes it rotate backwards into the CB like 2 gears meshing, they cling to each other for a split second. Maybe higher static properties enhance this.
I think only the BBC audience believes the electrostatic theory.
The electrostatic forces themselves will be so small that they cannot cause skid. It is possible that if more chalk sticks to the ball due to static charge and that could cause more skids.
It is easy to demonstrate that chalk can cause skids. Chalk is present on the cue ball. I think that to most this constitutes a smoking gun. I wonder how the BBC commentators wandered off into the weeds.
I think the best ways to clean balls is to use a polish like the Aramith ball cleaner (which can remove scuff marks) and then wash with clean water and dry with a clean (wax free) cloth.
My belief is that chalk/dirt at the contact point is the only cause of skid. As Bob J said, maybe static causes more chalk or dirt to collect.
This video has some skids in slow motion at 3:29. I caused the skids by rubbing chalk directly onto the OB contact point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2gcgqUt00w
-Blake
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The Taiwanese players never seem to have a problem with them. Most of their balls went in clean. And the few that didn't go in they couldn't tell me as I couldn't understand them either. I ask and they just smile and gesture a bad stroke with their cue.
Carlo Biado had a couple skid on a gambling match - the CB was 4 inch away from the OB near the side (he rolled it and the OB skidded and hit the rail, another one happened when he tried to play safe on a 3 ball). I asked him about the skid and he said "It happens when you roll balls doesn't matter what balls or what table."
Earl said when he was playing Ko Pin Yi at the TV table that he had 4-6 balls skid on him including his safeties that leaked out. He even jumped and turned around to the commentators soon as he shot the 5 ball and missed it he yelled "That Ball was going in the pocket I saw it I swear to God!!!!" First he said it was the table, later on he told Bill stock its the balls.
I was 5 feet behind Lee Van taking shots of all the players and when he missed the 4 ball he sat back down and I whispered to him if the ball skidded his reply "No, my Stroke skidded!"
I went up to Hunter and told him how Lee Van just didn't let up (9-1). He said "Lee played really good and had great timing" I said the ball you missed looked easy from the middle of the table did it skid on you? "No, I just played really bad. I'm way off in my game..."
WHO'S WORD CAN WE TRUST WITH THESE CYCLOPS? But out of all the comments said to me about ball Skid through out the last 10 days.... I seem to like Corteza & Hunter Lombardo's response
"My Charity Goes To Our Troops"
Carlo Biado had a couple skid on a gambling match - the CB was 4 inch away from the OB near the side (he rolled it and the OB skidded and hit the rail, another one happened when he tried to play safe on a 3 ball). I asked him about the skid and he said "It happens when you roll balls doesn't matter what balls or what table."
Earl said when he was playing Ko Pin Yi at the TV table that he had 4-6 balls skid on him including his safeties that leaked out. He even jumped and turned around to the commentators soon as he shot the 5 ball and missed it he yelled "That Ball was going in the pocket I saw it I swear to God!!!!" First he said it was the table, later on he told Bill stock its the balls.
I was 5 feet behind Lee Van taking shots of all the players and when he missed the 4 ball he sat back down and I whispered to him if the ball skidded his reply "No, my Stroke skidded!"
I went up to Hunter and told him how Lee Van just didn't let up (9-1). He said "Lee played really good and had great timing" I said the ball you missed looked easy from the middle of the table did it skid on you? "No, I just played really bad. I'm way off in my game..."
WHO'S WORD CAN WE TRUST WITH THESE CYCLOPS? But out of all the comments said to me about ball Skid through out the last 10 days.... I seem to like Corteza & Hunter Lombardo's response
"My Charity Goes To Our Troops"
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I talked to Mark Griffin about the balls early in the tournament, he said that he would like to get a report from the pro players about the balls, in terms of how they played. I said that I would ask around as the tournament progressed and get back with him. For the most part the players that I asked about the balls had positive things to say about them with the exception of Bartram. I'm not saying that Bartram is wrong with his opinion, however, most of the players I talked to liked the balls. I myself played a four hour match of one pocket using the measle cue ball and the Cyclop balls and to the best of my memory I don't recall any ball skidding. I thought the balls played really good. However, like I mentioned I played with the measles cue ball...if that means anything.
I liked the balls and I wouldn't hesitate to play with them again. :thumbup:
Bill Incardona
I liked the balls and I wouldn't hesitate to play with them again. :thumbup:
Bill Incardona
This thread is surprising to me. I actually made a comment to a friend today that I have not seen any skids since we have been here. I have been in Vegas since the 16th and watched matches daily. I also took advantage of the $10 overnight special in the Pro Arena one night. I realize that my observation is only one of many and only represents a small portion of play.
And for the record, I am not a fan of the Cyclop balls and I am not sticking up for them.
And for the record, I am not a fan of the Cyclop balls and I am not sticking up for them.
Outstanding video, thanks for putting it up.
So skid is really simply when the balls happen to have chalk at the contact point which makes them act like a tip-ball interaction. So the ball carries slightly due to the extra friction. Isn't this similar to the old trick shot where you bet a guy he can't make frozen ball up the rail and you show him how easy it is and when he does it he has no chance?
When you do it you have wetted the contact point reducing friction and throw and when he does it the ball has full throw.
This would be the opposite of that, chalk causing throw. I don't see any possible way that any ball set can have more of less skids due to the composition of the balls.
But here is something that might be interesting to mess with as an experiment.
Neverwet.
I wonder how balls coated with this would react?
http://www.neverwet.com/
When you do it you have wetted the contact point reducing friction and throw and when he does it the ball has full throw.
This would be the opposite of that, chalk causing throw. I don't see any possible way that any ball set can have more of less skids due to the composition of the balls.
But here is something that might be interesting to mess with as an experiment.
Neverwet.
I wonder how balls coated with this would react?
http://www.neverwet.com/
John that is very interesting!
Any more info about this product? Liquid form? Composition? Adherence? Could it be used as a wood sealer, in cue construction maybe? Have you experimented with it in case construction?
As far as about the thread topic, I can't express any opinion about a set of balls I haven't played with. I only know this:
I once played in a tournament with new sets of balls opened just before warmup in matches. Humidity was high. Cloth was new. Balls skidded during play.
I discussed this with my good friend Nikos Polychronopoulos, one of the best pro 3C players in Europe and not only.
He told me that new balls always tend to skid, they need some time for the surface coat to "break in", after that they react fine.
Pro players feel the same way about new cloth or new conditions in general. They feel material perfomance is better after one-two days of play.
Petros