Skinny Bob’s temporarily closing after an employee tests positive today

That is a fact, I heard if from the man that created the PCR test and the ones that tested positive and then negative were from Lexington and Florence Ky. - I don't spread nonsense, that's the job of the main stream media, most of what they say is inaccurate at best.
Arguing with these people will get you nowhere.

False Positive Rate – a PCT RNA test of high sensitivity and tolerant specificity is designed for purposes of mercy – to not miss diagnostic cases. This is done specifically to minimize suffering from missed illness. However, it is well established that tests of such design may also produce false positive outcomes as part of their assay design. When a population is tested by PCR tests, and 99% of that population is well, then there will be a high number of false positives arising from the testing of that population, even and especially compared to false negatives. In addition, beside the issue of test design, is the reality that testing labs may suffer from laxity in procedure, kit contamination or employee error or malfeasance. All of these factors combine into what is known as a ‘False Positive Rate’ for a particular set of tests.

If we have a 1% rate of false positives, inside a population which is testing at 1% prevalence, in theory almost all of the positives being detected, are indeed false. As of late August the US was conducting on average about 680,000 tests per day. A 2.3% false positive rate would yield 15,640 false positives per day. The average positives detected during that same time was around 45,000 positives per day. Thus, potentially 35% of those reported positives in late August 2020, were indeed false. A study by Cohen and Kessel, updated and re-printed 18 August 2020, cited a measured median false positive rate of 2.3% for Covid RT-PCR testing. They confirmed the reality that “the likely sources of these false positives (contamination, human error) are more directly connected to laboratory practices and layouts than to which particular assay is used.”


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Arguing with these people will get you nowhere.

False Positive Rate – a PCT RNA test of high sensitivity and tolerant specificity is designed for purposes of mercy – to not miss diagnostic cases. This is done specifically to minimize suffering from missed illness. However, it is well established that tests of such design may also produce false positive outcomes as part of their assay design. When a population is tested by PCR tests, and 99% of that population is well, then there will be a high number of false positives arising from the testing of that population, even and especially compared to false negatives. In addition, beside the issue of test design, is the reality that testing labs may suffer from laxity in procedure, kit contamination or employee error or malfeasance. All of these factors combine into what is known as a ‘False Positive Rate’ for a particular set of tests.

If we have a 1% rate of false positives, inside a population which is testing at 1% prevalence, in theory almost all of the positives being detected, are indeed false. As of late August the US was conducting on average about 680,000 tests per day. A 2.3% false positive rate would yield 15,640 false positives per day. The average positives detected during that same time was around 45,000 positives per day. Thus, potentially 35% of those reported positives in late August 2020, were indeed false. A study by Cohen and Kessel, updated and re-printed 18 August 2020, cited a measured median false positive rate of 2.3% for Covid RT-PCR testing. They confirmed the reality that “the likely sources of these false positives (contamination, human error) are more directly connected to laboratory practices and layouts than to which particular assay is used.”


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The problem with this is how often do you take the test.

The ads can make people feel like they need a test every two weeks.

I disagree with the use of the graph. It doesn't change the fact that I wear a facemask and tell people to wear a facemask.

For the people I want to show I trust and have a history with, I take off the mask. Sharing my reasoning is all I have.

The science people are turning everyone into over active early parents ... they make enough bad decisions... lets stop there.

do the graph people need to be responsible for which sock I wear first too. I don't need a graph or diagram to explain where it goes. I have trouble keeping my socks matching in the dryer, they keep separating.
 
128 players in the open 9-ball division, including 80% of team USA, and both captains. No telling what tournaments the top players are now heading to in other states for this weekend.

And this is why containment is impossible, just trying to limit spread to 80% instead of 90% of the people.

Every person comes in contact with a dozen people a day, each of them come into contact with dozens more, by the end of the day you see one person to buy your coffee from them you have contacted 1,000 through that one other person. You contact them, they contact their co-workers and customers, the customers contact their family and friends, or customers at their job, multiply that by 40 other people and you have a spread of contact in huge numbers in a single day from just 2 people being near each-other.

The only way to stop disease spread is to have every small group, say family size, stay in an isolated location till they are clear of infection. This is not really possible, so the only other way to stop spread is medicine to contain it through vaccines or just natural attrition where the vulnerable die and the rest don't.
 
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And this is why containment is impossible, just trying to limit spread to 80% instead of 90% of the people.

Every person comes in contact with a dozen people a day, each of them come into contact with dozens more, by the end of the day you see one person to buy your coffee from them you have contacted 1,000 through that one other person. You contact them, they contact their co-workers and customers, the customers contact their family and friends, or customers at their job, multiply that by 40 other people and you have a spread of contact in huge numbers in a single day from just 2 people being near each-other.

The only way to stop disease spread is to have every small group, say family size, stay in an isolated location till they are clear of infection. This is not really possible, so the only other way to stop spread is medicine to contain it through vaccines or just natural attrition where the venerable die and the rest don't.
as long as its a planned pregnancy

that would be ideal

but you know how windows is broken, I do mean the operating system and when the monsters take over at night.
 
so i am suppose to trust how many people to keep me safe?
people that make test, people give test, people that computer test and the problem with the test itself.

that is anxiety inducing. please explain in terms of self empowerment and community building.
Harvard has horrible appeal to mass generations. Most people I know what to go to Hogwarts.
Yup, it's like everything in life. If you get blood tests or other medical tests, or you get you car checked by a mechanic, or you go to that restaurant for dinner, you're relying on a level of competence to ensure you get what you expect.

Everyone has an opinion. Some are of no value, some are informed, and some are expert. You help yourself and your family by paying attention to the expert opinion.

Self-empowerment comes with responsibilities - it's not one-sided. Community building implies responsibilities for all the members of the community.
 
Wish you would stop spreading that nonsense CJ. That type of propaganda has got us to where we are today. If you can't bother to check out your facts, please don't bother to give an opinion.
Agreed, but he continues.
 
Hey Chris...side bets on this happening? LOL

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LOl this is what they should do but, you know, it's pool. Hopefully they have Obamacare.
 
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so i am suppose to trust how many people to keep me safe?
people that make test, people give test, people that computer test and the problem with the test itself.

that is anxiety inducing. please explain in terms of self empowerment and community building.
Harvard has horrible appeal to mass generations. Most people I know what to go to Hogwarts.
Brother, I'd love to try about a half gallon of what ever you're on!!!
 
Brother, I'd love to try about a half gallon of what ever you're on!!!
I also support sharing the same drink, it would be at the pool hall.
for now its a revolution of digital space.

What are your plans for it? Digital farming, all I can say.
 
This is a confusing and dangerous topic. Some good info and links below.

"If the specimen collection is not done perfectly, or if a patient is in an early stage of infection or already partially recovered from the illness, their nasal-swab sample might not contain enough viral material to come back positive. There are many stories about patients who tested negative soon after their symptoms began, only to test positive on a test done later. One case study describes a 34-year-old man who tested negative four times before finally testing positive five days after being admitted to a hospital.

Experts worry that a negative test can give people a sense of false security, leading them to be less careful about social distancing or other safety measures. Some have suggested that anyone who has coronavirus symptoms should assume they are infected, even if they test negative, a concept that is somewhat in line with the CDC’s newly updated diagnostic criteria. “That’s not a bad idea,” says Dr. Shawn Ferullo, MIT Medical’s chief of student health. “Though we don’t know exactly how high the false-negative rate really is, if you have any COVID-19 symptoms at all, you should be taking extreme precautions to make sure you’re not exposing others.”
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/06/how-accurate-diagnostic-tests-covid-19

Here's some more of the same:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/06/how-negative-covid-19-test-can-mislead/613246/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/take-negative-covid-19-tests-seriously-but-not-literally/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10...-does-not-mean-you-dont-have-virus-heres-why/

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/when-is-a-negative-covid19-test-truly-negative

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditi...0/understanding-coronavirus-test-results.html
 
This is a confusing and dangerous topic. Some good info and links below.

"If the specimen collection is not done perfectly, or if a patient is in an early stage of infection or already partially recovered from the illness, their nasal-swab sample might not contain enough viral material to come back positive. There are many stories about patients who tested negative soon after their symptoms began, only to test positive on a test done later. One case study describes a 34-year-old man who tested negative four times before finally testing positive five days after being admitted to a hospital.

Experts worry that a negative test can give people a sense of false security, leading them to be less careful about social distancing or other safety measures. Some have suggested that anyone who has coronavirus symptoms should assume they are infected, even if they test negative, a concept that is somewhat in line with the CDC’s newly updated diagnostic criteria. “That’s not a bad idea,” says Dr. Shawn Ferullo, MIT Medical’s chief of student health. “Though we don’t know exactly how high the false-negative rate really is, if you have any COVID-19 symptoms at all, you should be taking extreme precautions to make sure you’re not exposing others.”
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/06/how-accurate-diagnostic-tests-covid-19

Here's some more of the same:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/06/how-negative-covid-19-test-can-mislead/613246/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/take-negative-covid-19-tests-seriously-but-not-literally/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10...-does-not-mean-you-dont-have-virus-heres-why/

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/when-is-a-negative-covid19-test-truly-negative

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditi...0/understanding-coronavirus-test-results.html
its like hearing someone say i love you.
schoolwork is gaslighting. i am a chicken and rice guy. what will always be different that i need to get used to? just wear a face mask or do not talk in public?
 
Wish you would stop spreading that nonsense CJ. That type of propaganda has got us to where we are today. If you can't bother to check out your facts, please don't bother to give an opinion.
How would you have any idea?
Because it's been debunked a million times and I've probably debunked it myself a dozen times with the denial crowd. By the way, the inventor, Kary Mullis, died in August 2019 before the novel coronavirus existed. Let's hear how CJ explains that one.

Regardless of the PCR tests it's known that there are a lot of false positive tests. CJ was merely citing what went on in his circle.
 
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How would you have any idea?

Regardless of the of the PCR tests it's known that there are a lot of false positive tests. CJ was merely citing what went on in his circle.
I think that's just talk. The people who have actual knowledge of the subject say otherwise. Google is your friend here.
 
I think that's just talk. The people who have actual knowledge of the subject say otherwise. Google is your friend here.
buying from a sales person is better than crazy uncle sam and his plans for your future. google is a company. why outsource the discussion, this is a live audience with no time requirement to respond. did the school nurse take care of you, or did you just get it
 
The PCR test they use, according to the man that invented it, should not be used and is not accurate.
Because it's been debunked a million times and I've probably debunked it myself a dozen times with the denial crowd. By the way, the inventor, Kary Mullis, died in August 2019 before the novel coronavirus existed. Let's hear how CJ explains that one.

Here, let me: Reuters is main stream media, and by prior assumption they print only false stories, hence that story is false.

Hey, CJ? Do you order pizza from a place where Hillary Clinton is enslaving children into a sex trafficking ring? If so, can you order me a Large pepperoni?

Gunga galunga,
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I think that's just talk. The people who have actual knowledge of the subject say otherwise. Google is your friend here.
You're fighting a losing battle here. We have a population of people who prefer alternate facts to what is already obvious and well known to be true. That is the world we live in today, thanks to you know who.
 
Testing that was adopted and became the basic form of diagnostic lab test was that based upon Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR), a technology discovered by Kary Mullis, who was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1993 for this discovery.

Although Mullis died in 2019 before the beginning of the CoVID-19 pandemic, he had much to say about PCR. He warned against this technique ever being used for diagnosis due to the complexity of the process and because of a relatively high rate of false positive results if performed on asymptomatic individuals, as well as with false negative results.

He pointed out, among other things, that PCR required selecting a particular number of “amplifications” or multiplications of the original tiny string of genetic material (DNA), and that the cutoff between “positive” and “negative” was arbitrary and could vary from place to place or over time.
 
Because it's been debunked a million times and I've probably debunked it myself a dozen times with the denial crowd. By the way, the inventor, Kary Mullis, died in August 2019 before the novel coronavirus existed. Let's hear how CJ explains that one.

He was out golfing with Hank Haney and then some celebrity called his cell phone while he was signing an autograph with his other hand. That is how he explains it.
 
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