Sneaky Pete Cues - Is it just me

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I see a lot of cues advertised for sale in the Wanted/For Sale Forum as "Sneaky Petes".

Some of these cues have ringwork (some fancy) at the joint, on both the butt and the shaft. I saw one today that has a big metal joint ring. Points with diamonds at their tips, or inlays in the points. Something other than plain wood in the butt cap area.

Pardon me, but .... These cues are not SNEAKY. They would not fool anyone in any pool hall. Is it just me that thinks that these cue are wrongly called Sneaky Petes?
 
This is probably the hundreth time I've seen someone post this so I'm guessing it's not just you. :smile: Seriously though I don't understand why people call them sneaky either. That being said, is there really any point to having a sneaky pete in this day and age, other than actually preferring the look? Does anyone actually think they can "hustle" someone because they have a sneaky cue? If so I'd like to know where this ploy might work, because if gullible people like that exist in your area I might have to rethink my vacation plans.
 
I see a lot of cues advertised for sale in the Wanted/For Sale Forum as "Sneaky Petes".

Some of these cues have ringwork (some fancy) at the joint, on both the butt and the shaft. I saw one today that has a big metal joint ring. Points with diamonds at their tips, or inlays in the points. Something other than plain wood in the butt cap area.

Pardon me, but .... These cues are not SNEAKY. They would not fool anyone in any pool hall. Is it just me that thinks that these cue are wrongly called Sneaky Petes?
I think this is simply an instance of how language evolves over time. The term was probably originally used to describe a one piece house cue that had been converted to two-piece, with no collars, rings, or other adornments. Now the term has evolved to mean a cue whose butt started out as a four point full splice, but may or may not have additional decorative or structural elements added such as inlays and rings. IMO it's handy to have a term to describe this type of butt construction since many players, myself included, think that this type of constuction is fundamentally sound and offers advantages in playability. "Sneaky Pete" is a lot easier to say and type than "Four point, full-splice, non-veneered butt".
 
The "Not So Sneaky Pete"

And yes you can never underestimate the power of the Wall-a-buska
 
I happen to play with a "sneaky". The only thing not sneaky about my play cue are the 8-points and the colored veneers on the points.

So, its a little sneaky and not very to anyone paying attention. I don't use it because its sneaky, I use it because the lack of rings, steel/brass at the joint leaves the balance point where I like it.

Even though its not sneaky to anyone paying attention*, at least 3 times a night at the bar, someone picks it up and wants to play with it because it looks to them like a bar cue. I generally have to partially disassemble it to prove its not a bar cue. (*) That just shows the attention level many players at bars play with (~0).
 
The basic sneaky is pretty sneaky. It was a house cue blank with a pin added, usually 3/8 x 10. Then a shaft was cut to a more desirable taper and a premium tip and ferrule were added. This is still a fine setup, but when having one made, customers are like. . . .What can I add for $50, $100, $250. . . .

So that is how the sneaky gets fancy. Of course it loses sneaky! Still, at the end of the day, for simple, classic minded customers, this is desirable.

This is similar to how a good player or pj can be more desirable than a fancy decorated cue.
 
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Decades ago sneaky petes probably had their place, but so many sp now have visible joints they just arn't sneaky at all. True sp's have a wood to wood (almost invisible) joint, always made from straight as you can find bar cues. The quality of bar cues has declined greatly. I was fortunate to buy a John Guffy sp years ago used for $45. Best cue for the money I ever shot with. He used to sell them new for $100-125. Great cuemaker but somewhat anal and possibly retired from cuemaking. Sells furniture. Hell any poolplayer could sell fire in hell! Also have a Leonard Bludworth but it has visible joint. Plays okay but butt heavy. Lots of guys like playing with sp's so they don't worry about thievery in the bars they play in. I have been known to take my stick to the bathroom with me! Nobody really cares what you play with once you start running out and rarely losing. They know you can play. Hustling is a derrogatory term and also quite dangerous. The best value now days is a planejane stick from a quality cuemaker. Most are $400-500 and play very close to their high-end cues if not the same. Do you know what a chump with a $3000 stick is called. Chump.
 
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Sneaky petes

Decades ago sneaky petes probably had their place, but so many sp now have visible joints they just arn't sneaky at all. True sp's have a wood to wood (almost invisible) joint, always made from straight as you can find bar cues. The quality of bar cues has declined greatly. I was fortunate to buy a John Guffy sp years ago used for $45. Best cue for the money I ever shot with. He used to sell them new for $100-125. Great cuemaker but somewhat anal and possibly retired from cuemaking. Sells furniture. Hell any poolplayer could sell fire in hell! Also have a Leonard Bludworth but it has visible joint. Plays okay but butt heavy. Lots of guys like playing with sp's so they don't worry about thievery in the bars they play in. I have been known to take my stick to the bathroom with me! Nobody really cares what you play with once you start running out and rarely losing. They know you can play. Hustling is a derrogatory term and also quite dangerous. The best value now days is a planejane stick from a quality cuemaker. Most are $400-500 and play very close to their high-end cues if not the same.
 
Someone posted a thread advertising merry widows and there was confusion as to whether they were or not. Plain jane was the appropriate term for the cues pictured, but as someone stated, over the years, merry widow and plain jane just blended together. Calling a full spliced cue with joint collars a sneaky pete is no different.

I believe the origin of terms and their true meaning get lost along way due to the wrong usage of terms by those who don't truly know any better, and continue to do so out of either ignorance, or just because everyone else is doing it. Over time, the improper usage of terms gets misused and eventually accepted just as long as it appears to be similar, but really isn't.

I personally think it's due to ignorance and/or laziness. It's kind of like in today's society, since most people are obese, it's more socially acceptable to ignore proper diet / nutrition & exercise, in spite of the fact that obesity is not a good thing....... I believe that is mostly due to lack of knowledge and in the recent years, it just a nightmare that gets worse and worse......
 
I call them Pretty Petes or Fancy Petes.:D

Hey Joey, if they have work on them, it's a good thing, otherwise it's probably a sneaky...
 

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This is probably the hundreth time I've seen someone post this so I'm guessing it's not just you. :smile: Seriously though I don't understand why people call them sneaky either. That being said, is there really any point to having a sneaky pete in this day and age, other than actually preferring the look? Does anyone actually think they can "hustle" someone because they have a sneaky cue? If so I'd like to know where this ploy might work, because if gullible people like that exist in your area I might have to rethink my vacation plans.

Its nice to have a cue which does not attract thieves & drunks wanting to "try it." However, I would never let my cue out of my sight.
 
Hey Joey, if they have work on them, it's a good thing, otherwise it's probably a sneaky...

I guess.
This is as close to a true sneaky I've made.
Sorry, the shaft or the butt have to have collars or inserts so they don't split in case someone does the Color of Money break.
Phenolic collar on the shaft only.
G9 insert on the butt so it doesn't split and for better resonance imo. Might be the last I'll do this. The thing is frkn hardddd to dril, bore and tap.
I cut down an old Valley house cue. The points are way off but who cares?
I'm taking this to the West Coast cue show if I make it. It hits great imo.
The next one I might just make with phenolic inserts and no collar. Problem with those is people pick them up thinking they are house cues.
 
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Today, "sneaky pete" refers to a style of cue. Simple as that. Nothing more to it.


For trying to actually make a classic sneaky pete with stealth in mind, I think the old Dufferin house cues made for the best sneaky petes. However, it's very hard to find an old one from the 1980's that's still in any kind of decent shape for conversion to a sneaky. Maple used in cues in the past was higher grade than the stuff used today in budget and low end cues.


Basically, just make them two piece. Slightly re-taper the shaft. Nothing extreme like Meucci pro taper or anything 12.5mm. Just get rid of that awful taper that opens up to 15+ mm after 8"....Avoid going with a different shaft. Some maple is brighter with slightly different color and grain and that's a give away. Better to use the existing cue, it will match perfectly. No joint collars of any kind.

Joint needs to be done as well as possible to make the seam as hard to see as possible. Next, a nice big huge brass pin of some sort to add some weight up front for balance. Most one piece house cues are terribly butt heavy. If that makes the cue too heavy, the cuemaker can drill out the butt, use an aluminum screw for the bumper or there are other methods to decrease weight. Overall, the butt should be mostly left alone. No addition of rings. No buttcaps. No inlays. No signatures. No NOTHING. No removal of any stampings or engravings indicating the cue's weight. No fancy finish. Just leave it alone.

Ferrule should also be left alone. Nothing wrong with the standard ferrule. Just put a good tip on there.


That's what makes for the most stealthy sneaky pete. Creation of a sneaky should revolve around making it two piece and some minor performance mods as mentioned above, such as slight taper work, better tip, change the balance of the cue. And also check for defects - make sure everything is straight, ferrule, shaft, butt, joint interface.


The best sneaky pete, is the one where the only possible give away is the seeing the very fine joint seam. Also, if you're serious about deploying a stealthy sneaky pete, then you have to bring yourself to chalking it like some drunken slob in a bar. That means getting a nice nasty blue ring on the ferrule. I know it's hard to do that. I cringe at the thought. My playing cue's ferrules are pristine. The chalk cube never touches the ferrule ever. Have to fight the better player habits inside of you and chalk like banger. Use the screwing-the-cap-on-the-bottle technique. Choose cubes of chalk with deep holes in them. Once you mangle the ferrule with chalk scratches and a nice case of blue-ring disease...it should stay that way and you don't have to keep doing it.


Never bring along any kind of cue case. Not even a soft case. Carry the cue in your hand. It doesn't hurt it. At some point you have to assemble it and disassemble it. You can do this upon entering the premises and while exiting. Don't do this in front of potential victims. If you need a tip tool, the best one is probably the Willard. It shapes and scuffs. No need to deal with mushroom or any of that. In fact, mushroom is probably a good thing to keep up appearances. Mushroom isn't inherently bad for play, it's the fact that mushroom also corresponds with a poorly shaped dome. If you got a good dome, the mushroom is irrelevant. Keep your tool on your key chain, and use it only when absolutely necessary and as discretely as possible. Better yet, prep your tip before you go to hustle the drunks. And play with a tip that doesn't need constant maintenance so you don't have to do any of this. Forget these layered tips. They suck and are over priced hype. Stick to something like a pressed Elk Master, a Triangle...along those lines. They work better, cost $0.50 and don't need to be picked and tapped every 5 racks.


Unfortunately, in this day and age, most APA SL2 level players out there can spot a stealthy sneaky like this pretty quick. They can probably name the 5 most popular sneaky petes on the market. Doesn't matter that they themselves play with a Budweiser or Nascar cue. Times have changed. And actually, the modern "sneaky pete" is the Budweiser or K-mart cue. You are far more likely to get someone to view you as a banger if you break out some kind of decal cheap cue like those Budweiser cues. With those, you have to throw away the ramin wood shaft and get a maple shaft. Then mangle it's ferrule with chalk. Have a cue maker attempt to straighten the butt and to eliminate as much joint run out as possible. The Budweiser/Nascar cue is the modern sneaky pete. Or anything with extremely large corporate logos, flame jobs, or heinous decal graphics will also work.


The sneaky is only sneaky to the non-player. Such as drunken bangers playing on bar boxes, not pool halls. What can one hustle from them? Not much. Small sums, beers. Basically a waste of time unless you get off on beating down players who don't know that BCA 8-ball rules even exist. Anyone betting any real money is wise enough and will be paying attention enough to not be fooled by some sneaky pete no matter how stealthy it is. In fact, most people don't care what you're playing with. They're watching your stroke and skills. And the results on the table. Match flow etcetera.


That is why I said at the start of this post, today, it's really just a term describing a particular style of cue. Nothing more.
 
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