Snooker Fans On Youtube

V

vincentwu817

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I am sick of going through these egotistic snooker fans that want to say that snooker is the superior game to pool and that snooker players are "better." Anyone agree with me on this?

I think there is very little to debate over. But first of all, the common mistake that snooker fans make is that pool = 9 ball. Sure a simple rack of 9 ball is easy to run out, but the layout varies a lot. Safety playing in pool is a lot more difficult too.

Anyways, I really find it pointless to argue that snooker is a more difficult game than 9 ball without defining what we are measuring. Do they mean it is more difficult to run 147 than clear a rack of 9 ball? 9 ball is fairly easy to run the table for all pros, but it goes for both ways. Missing a simple shot can mean that you lose the next rack or two. So in a sense 9 ball is more difficult than snooker, because you can't miss shots. In contrast, if you miss a shot in snooker, you can get away with it often times.

I'm not trying to say which one is better, because there's really no good conclusion that can be made. But just ranting because these guys are PISSING ME OFF with their ignorance.
 
Their just mad at the fact that we stopped paying the queen taxes over a hundred years ago :lol:

On a serious note the snooker people have an arguement but in reality they dont... Have you seen the youtube with the Miz (on an invite im assuming) to england to play in a match set?? The Miz took shoots that were more offensive (in snooker player on a 12 x 6) to his opponent taking the safe route and faired pretty well..

Its apples and oranges when it comes to English snooker players and american (or world players) 9 ball... One-pocket... 8 ball games..

You cant judge and if the snooker players are actually that much better how many US OPEN CHAMPIONSHIPS have they won?? ONE!! By their own Darren Applenton!!!! (CONGRATS TO YOU DAVE BTW!!!! :grin:)

End of and all together.. Im not trying to be a jerk here but why hasnt Steve Davis or Rodney O' won anything more than a snooker championship?? I could be wrong here but to my KNOWLEDGE i havent seen a STRONG snooker player win anything but a snooker Championship!!

The TWO people i can credit for when it comes to SNOOKER play converted to 9 BAll or any other competetive game here in the states are Allison Fisher and Karen Corr and thats about it.. Giving that they are women that has nothing to due with their constant TOP finishing places and their abiltiy to find the pocket with FIRM shape.. Just saying :wink:
 
Last edited:
Look up paul hunter he played for a few years and i think he was a natural his video's are unreal.

craig
 
i dont think appleton is even a legit snooker player, probably played way more pool in his life than snooker
 
The General reason?

look heres what it boils down too.....everyone in the whole dam world wants to be something in america

Snooker is a european game, its NOT AMERICAN.....POOL IS AMERICAN

Snooker sucks compared to the FUN looking AMERICAN POOL

BUT (always a but) snooker players make that $$$$:grin-square:....American Pool Players dont :frown:

American Pool and its players are like the Bad News Bears....rough, tough, and can't get enough!

Even the european fans like the american players better for the mosconi cup....tho they cheer for home team, you see it in their eyes "Oh ITS EARLLLLL!" they nearly blow their proverbial loads be it b/c the hate or adore someone like EARL they LOVE HIM.

The Misfits get all the attention from the public not the corporate.

So the haters hate....and they say SNOOKERS BETTER! CUZ?........BS!

Kinda like the fools that holler MMA is better than boxing.....CUZ?......BS!

Whats better basketball or football? They are both basically the same game idea. You have the ball, you are guarded by opponents and must score by placing the ball through the goal/basket. Some rules are obviously diff and b/c of that its not even comparable, tho the general idea is very similar

If they made a movie on the history of the game of snooker and one on the game of pool which one you think would make money?

Or just a movie about snooker and one about pool?

Oh yea thats right, there are no movies about snooker but there are like ohhh I don't know a probably a dozen on pool and around 4 of them were major motion picutres?

We got to be the masked marvel and they got to wear a straight jacket while they play.

Alex Higgins was a pool player he just didn't know it. If he had lived here, he would have been a warrior. No wonder he went crazy he was pent up in that stuffy game.

I like snooker very much but they can go play with their marbles over comments like Snooker is better than pool.

The only thing they got is the money......if we wanted to bust their game we would move there and bust it....we don't b/c it would be a bore....and as everyone knows pool players aint in it for the money anyway. If you were thinking different then just stop it....just stop it.

Let them tell that to the boys in the phillipines.....thats all they dream about is POOL IN AMERICA!!!! BAW HAW HAW HAWWWWW!!!!

Eddie would have been hittin 3 railers on the football field, ran would have the red coats from that growling bear!

And don't get me started on Harold Worst......he could have made a total clearance using a cue ball made of Elephant Sh*t

He would have SHOT, they would have SHAT....and that my pool playing friends would have been the end of that!


it aint no fun when the rabbit's got the gun,
-Grey Ghost-
 
I am a lifelong pool player, but have played some snooker on occasion since moving to Asia. I enjoy both, but still prefer playing pool.

The games and the equipment are very different and require different skills. Unless you have played both, it is hard to explain. On a snooker table, just making a ball is more difficult than on a pool table. Table is about 80% larger and holes are smaller even compared to the smaller ball. The most challenging difference to me is the cut of the rails going into the hole. They are rounded and any ball not hit cleanly into the pocket will not fall. They just rattle around and come out.

A lot of bars here have 8 foot snooker style tables, but play 8 ball and 9 ball on them. It is more difficult than on a pool table.

I prefer pool and play it most of the time with a little snooker on occasion. I too get tired of hearing the snooker players whine, but in some respects they have a point.

There are several snooker players, male and female who have had some success in pro 9 ball, Allison and Kelly Fisher, Karen Corr, Tony Drago, Steve Davis and I suspect there a few more, but I can't think of one pool player who has even tried to play pro snooker. It's not because there is no money in it or because it's too easy.
 
Last edited:
Snooker Players playing pool - for example
Alex Pagulyan
Mika Imonen
Marlon Manolo
Alison Fisher
Karen Corr
Kelly Fisher
Tony Drago

How to make games more difficult
Smaller pockets
Bigger table
No diamond system (because there are no diamonds)


Where to make a living
Not pool :grin:

Where to find organized competition
Not pool:grin:

Where to find players b****ing, ranting, dressed in dirty T shirts and sandals, obsessing over equipment, and impotently complaining that no one respects them, or treats them as professionals, or rewards them and their self professed indisputable talent in the manner to which they would like to become accustomed ........
U.S.A.

But just ranting because these guys are PISSING ME OFF with their ignorance. :grin:
 
I think pool players don't try playing snooker because there are already too many varieties in the game of pool. 8,9,10ball, one pocket, 14.1. That will take up a lot of the players time. Plus, why would someone give up a game they love to try something else? I've played on a snooker table and yes it is extremely difficult.

However, I find that most of the guys that post stuff like that are trying to use the premise that snooker is more difficult to run out than say 9 ball, thus making it the better game. I find no truth value in that argument, but rather fallacious.
 
Snooker has 1 guy that is favourite to win every event, really the only pool game with this comparison is 1 pocket and Reyes.

Every sport has its top player, pool being the exception. Most pool games have a luck factor (be it the break, fluke game balls etc) that eliminates dominance. Snooker has some luck involved, but you rarely see it win a match.

I can play 9 or 10 ball and make every ball each rack except 1 and lose!!! Pool might require more skill sets, but snooker is much, much tougher to play. If you win a game in snooker you potted more balls/points than the other guy. Skill won it, not luck.

You said, if pool is easier why haven't the snooker guys won the big events.... most pool players can't, why should it be different for a snooker player. They step into pool and don't look one bit out of place or like an inferior player. They can and have beat the top pool players, but can't control that X factor. The same couldn't be done with pool players going to snooker. Snooker players would win 99% of the time.
 
why waste time comparing apples to oranges? and more so than that, why waste time worrying about what someone else is concluding about two seemingly similar but wildly different games?
 
It's very annoying to see on every video, but a bit could be done to improve the perception of pool around the world. Looking at the recent US Open, the biggest event in pool, it was a bit of a farce because of issues with the rack. And how many times did a player win by lucking in the nine? When you can win a game like this you can't expect everyone to take you seriously.

Without really getting into the actual debate, to address a point earlier about snooker players not winning anything in pool, the only players that have ever really tried are Drago and Peach. Peach was barely top 200 so he had no option to stay on in snooker. For the rest who are making money there's no incentive to learn a new game, relocate to a different country where even if you dominate you'll still be earning less. Very few people have ever seriously tried switching games.

I have hours of footage of Steve Mizerak playing snooker against Steve Davis, Jimmy White, Joe Johnson and Stephen Hendry. Also mixed doubles with Allison Fisher and Ewa Mataya thrown in. If anyone's interested you can PM me.
 
Last edited:
Billiards, Snooker and Pool are all related games. As to which is the more difficult that depends on your point of view. IMO Three Cushion Billiards is the most difficult of them all, with Snooker second and Pool third. That said, One Pocket might be the most difficult game to master on any table.

The reality is that great snooker players cannot beat great pool players at ANY pool game, and great pool players have no chance against even a middle of the road snooker player. Same can be said for billiard players. They can't win at snooker or pool and conversely no non billiard player can beat them at their game.

So all these respective players have their speciality that they excel at. To make the transition to another game can be very difficult, if not impossible. There have been a handful of snooker players who have crossed over to pool with some success, most notable are Allison and Karen. Among the men, probably Marlon Manolo, Tony Drago and Karl Boyes have made the best transitions.

I believe that among the top players in any of these games, there is a lot of respect for the top players in the other disciplines. They know how hard it is to excel at their own game.
 
Last edited:
jay helfert said:
I believe that among the top players in any of these games, there is a lot of respect for the top players in the other disciplines. They know how hard it is to excel at their own game.
Click to expand...

This is a very good point. I think better players generally understand the difficulties of the other games. A lot of the people commenting on YouTube about how easy pool is are useless at both games.
 
jay helfert said:
Billiards, Snooker and Pool are all related games. As to which is the more difficult that depends on your point of view. IMO Three Cushion Billiards is the most difficult of them all, with Snooker second and Pool third. That said, One Pocket might be the most difficult game to master on any table.

The reality is that great snooker players cannot beat great pool players at ANY pool game, and great pool players have no chance against even a middle of the road snooker player. Same can be said for billiard players. They can't win at snooker or pool and conversely no non billiard player can beat them at their game.

So all these respective players have their speciality that they excel at. To make the transition to another game can be very difficult, if not impossible. There have been a handful of snooker players who have crossed over to pool with some success, most notable are Allison and Karen. Among the men, probably Marlon Manolo, Tony Drago and Karl Boyes have made the best transitions.

I believe that among the top players in any of these games, there is a lot of respect for the top players in the other disciplines. They know how hard it is to excel at their own game.
Click to expand...


You are correct. Well said
 
I know the OP kind of got there in his rant but to take it down to its base level, would you like your chances of beating a top pool player 1 game of 9 ball or a top snooker player 1 game of snooker? I have played quite a bit of both and I think snooker is probably more like straight pool with smaller balls and tighter pockets and 9 ball and 10 ball are completely different animals. Players like Schmidt, Hopkins, Miz and Mosconi could've probably been champions in snooker if that was their discipline but I don't think it would've come as easy to the Stricklands and McCreadys of the world, a different skill set. Not saying they wouldn't be killers at any game holding a cue though.
 
Actually i don't know why Scaramouche calls Pagulayan and Manalo snooker players when they started to play pool and played some snooker. Its like calling Efren a 3 cushion player because he sometime plays it.
Some snooker fan is right imho, when you see some old match you can see the table were very very loose and sometime i was pretty embarassing too see a ball drops when was hitted the first diamond after the side pocket ( during a shot near the rail ). I noticed the table now play a litte tighter and it is a good thing. Most snooker fans don't know many other games except 9 ball and 8 ball, actually 9 ball is the easier game with a lot of luck involved, fluke, break shot and even a B player can win against a top pro player in a short race of 9 ball. In snooker wins always ( or very very often ) the best player due the tight pockets, and long races ( the 2009 World Snooker Championship was a best of 35 frames! higgins won against murphy 18-9).
 
Slh said:
Actually i don't know why Scaramouche calls Pagulayan and Manalo snooker players
Click to expand...

To provide info from the ever reliable web::grin:

Pagulayan and his his Philippines team won the Snooker Gold Medal at the 2005 SEA Games (held in Manila, Philippines) with teammates Joven Alba and Leonardo Andam. After the team's 3–2 win against Thailand at the Makati Coliseum, Pagulayan emerged as a triple Gold Medalist.

Originally a snooker player, Manalo has represented the Philippines a number of times in the Asian Games and Southeast Asian Games. In the 2001 World Games, Manalo settled for a silver medal in the snooker event, placing second to Bjorn Haneveer of Belgium.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top