So Simple, Free, therefore must not useful

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I think Greg is at a point in his pool journey where he is seeing a good result from his efforts & is proud of that.

Perhaps that is understandable & even 'okay'.

However, some of us understand that we have been blessed with some of what it takes & that those things are of no doing on our part & hence we should not take pride in those things just because we have chosen to use those gifts to play the game of pool.

To put others down for lack of effort or what ever actually diminishes one's own accomplishment as it implies that that is 'all' it takes is an effort.

None of us can do anything of any worth without the gifts that we have been given. At least that is how I see it.

Best 2 All,
Rick

 

[BilliardsAbout]

I don't understand the point of this thread. Why are we really arguing about what a champion does or doesn't do? It obviously hasn't made anyone in this thread, or anyone who argues in similar threads a champion. Who are any of us to try and claim what a champion does or doesn't do? I just don't get it.

The nice thing about many of the top professionals is that they are willing to discuss what they do with fans. A couple of such occasions really changed my thinking about pool. AZ is a convenient space to conjecture so that others can follow-up with the pros in person when that is desirable.

 

[duckie]

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[SpiderWebComm]

Some things to thinks about.....

If improving meant that your pool playing friends stopped wanting to play you because you always won, would still continue to improve or stop as not to lose your pool playing friends?

Do you prefer handicap tourneys over playing heads up cause handicap tourneys give you chance to win unlike heads up where it is all skill?

You mean like how you get spotted 60 balls going to 100 in your local 14.1 handicap league, win, and then post about how you pulled through for the big W?

 

[Ralph Kramden]

I bet there are those just ROFL at this simple, free little drawing. I mean what could be learned from something like this, not much right.

What this drawing illustrates is some of the many possible the angle of attacks that can be done with the cue. What you are doing with the cue is applying a force in a certain direction onto the CB.

I call the line going from the center to the outer put of the circle the CB torque arm.

Start with a level cue at center ball. Notice the CB torque arm and cue are on the same level. At this angle of attack, the CB will side until friction from the cloth starts it to roll.

Now, lets take a arrow that is above center ball, but the cue is still level. Notice now that there is a angle between the cue and the CB torque arm.

Depending on how high above the center the cue is, determines the amount of slide first, then roll that the CB does. At some point on the CB, there will be roll and no slide......ie sweet spot.

What you are doing is controlling how much of a rotational force you are applying to the CB by the distance from center.

With a level cue at center ball you are not applying any rotational force with the cue but a linear force.

To get max rotational force applied to the CB, the cue needs to be at 90 degrees of the CB torque arm. For a level cue that would be hitting the top of the ball which is impossible.

But using a upstroke or downstroke it is possible to get close to that 90 degree angle.

It also shows how the contact patch and the rotational axis of the CB are not always the same and how the angle of attack determines the angle of the CB rotational axis.

And a few more things I'll let others figure out.....if they care to.

And...........AMF.

duckie.. I'd like to comment on what I just read... but I'm completely lost for words.

I don't know how you play, but as an instructor you are a wealth of misinformation.
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[tonythetiger583]

The nice thing about many of the top professionals is that they are willing to discuss what they do with fans. A couple of such occasions really changed my thinking about pool. AZ is a convenient space to conjecture so that others can follow-up with the pros in person when that is desirable.

Sorry, I should of been more clear, and less upset. I don't understand the point of threads such as this one in particular in which the original poster doesn't really provide any point, or any topic to be discussed in anyway that would be constructive.

What is the point of this thread?

Maybe that people who use aiming systems are just wasting their time.

Disagree?

General statement: all pros hit a million ghost balls and that's the only thing you need to know. Pro Ghost-ballers outnumber all other pros.


Okay...so now what?...what good is this information regardless of whether it may or may not be true...now what do we do?...I guess just bash each other and call one another's manhood into question,while doing nothing to progress our knowledge of the game.

I just want to know what part of this site I have to go to, to find the good stuff, the juicy stuff, the stuff that will help tie me over between the time the pool hall closes, and when it opens up again.

 

[Ratta]

Sorry, I should of been more clear, and less upset. I don't understand the point of threads such as this one in particular in which the original poster doesn't really provide any point, or any topic to be discussed in anyway that would be constructive.

What is the point of this thread?

Maybe that people who use aiming systems are just wasting their time.

Disagree?

General statement: all pros hit a million ghost balls and that's the only thing you need to know. Pro Ghost-ballers outnumber all other pros.

Well,

first thing: nowadays you have to learn more and more "to just overread" some postings/answers-- especially in threads where you are really interested in reading them. It can be annoying and frustrating (i know exactly why you mean ). you have threads with about 100 responses--- and 70-80 % are about personal cyber-and-bash wars.




Okay...so now what?...what good is this information regardless of whether it may or may not be true...now what do we do?...I guess just bash each other and call one another's manhood into question,while doing nothing to progress our knowledge of the game.

I just want to know what part of this site I have to go to, to find the good stuff, the juicy stuff, the stuff that will help tie me over between the time the pool hall closes, and when it opens up again.

Imo "they" now reached a point, where they re close to start to discuss "what was first.......egg or the chicken" ...

Don t let you frustrate too much with opinions or provokes from ppl who just want to tear you down. Too much energy will get lost (your own) if oyu re trying to get over this or by handling it. As soon as you get angry, somebody will think he s right- sounds simple, but sometimes i see it that way. To tear someone down does not really make me feel good. Even if i had my very few moments here on the board, wherei also caught myself letting emotions go.

Trying to stay away from it is trying to not waste energy and time-

Still i see AZB as a good place- one of the best in the "www"- to communicate with ppl with the same passion, with knowledged ppl- no matter if i just want to read something interesting or to help other people.

The sad thing is, that ppl who search for advices, help etc. getting afraid by reading so many "bashing wars" and will choose to stay away from asking or joining conversations


lg from overseas "Tiger"

Ingo

 

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Sorry, I should of been more clear, and less upset. I don't understand the point of threads such as this one in particular in which the original poster doesn't really provide any point, or any topic to be discussed in anyway that would be constructive.

What is the point of this thread?

Maybe that people who use aiming systems are just wasting their time.

Disagree?

General statement: all pros hit a million ghost balls and that's the only thing you need to know. Pro Ghost-ballers outnumber all other pros.


Okay...so now what?...what good is this information regardless of whether it may or may not be true...now what do we do?...I guess just bash each other and call one another's manhood into question,while doing nothing to progress our knowledge of the game.

I just want to know what part of this site I have to go to, to find the good stuff, the juicy stuff, the stuff that will help tie me over between the time the pool hall closes, and when it opens up again.

Tony,

Have you taken any lessons from a PBIA instructor?

Best,
Rick

 

[Tony_in_MD]

There was an interesting article in one of the pool magazines that reported on about a dozen pros in how they aimed. It has resurfaced in a thread or two over the past few years here.

Not all used ghost ball, in fact if I remember correctly, there was almost a different aiming "system" for each pro interviewed.

I believe and said before that IMHO everyone has their own aiming system. That is not a bad thing.

Sorry, I should of been more clear, and less upset. I don't understand the point of threads such as this one in particular in which the original poster doesn't really provide any point, or any topic to be discussed in anyway that would be constructive.

What is the point of this thread?

Maybe that people who use aiming systems are just wasting their time.

Disagree?

General statement: all pros hit a million ghost balls and that's the only thing you need to know. Pro Ghost-ballers outnumber all other pros.


Okay...so now what?...what good is this information regardless of whether it may or may not be true...now what do we do?...I guess just bash each other and call one another's manhood into question,while doing nothing to progress our knowledge of the game.

I just want to know what part of this site I have to go to, to find the good stuff, the juicy stuff, the stuff that will help tie me over between the time the pool hall closes, and when it opens up again.

 

[CJ Wiley]

To do anything consistently requires some type of "system".

Sorry, I should of been more clear, and less upset. I don't understand the point of threads such as this one in particular in which the original poster doesn't really provide any point, or any topic to be discussed in anyway that would be constructive.

What is the point of this thread?

Maybe that people who use aiming systems are just wasting their time.

Disagree?

General statement: all pros hit a million ghost balls and that's the only thing you need to know. Pro Ghost-ballers outnumber all other pros.


Okay...so now what?...what good is this information regardless of whether it may or may not be true...now what do we do?...I guess just bash each other and call one another's manhood into question,while doing nothing to progress our knowledge of the game.

I just want to know what part of this site I have to go to, to find the good stuff, the juicy stuff, the stuff that will help tie me over between the time the pool hall closes, and when it opens up again.

Everyone that plays pool uses some kind of a system to pocket balls. This system can be conscious or subconscious. When it's not conscious, it's easy to think there's no system, however...........

To do anything consistently requires some type of "system". I think players, especially in this Aiming Forum are mislead about what an aiming "system" really is and how it works. One thing you need before aiming even matters is a "system" for hitting the cue ball straight every time. If you're mishitting the cue ball there's no aiming system that could matter.

If you play well I'm sure you have some kind of pre shot routine to accomplish this with your feet, body angles, hand/cue alignment, etc. Then it's essential to see the cue ball and object ball connect in a way that creates the angle you are trying to "create" to make your next pool shot.

This can be done a variety of ways and you can call this a "system" or not, it's up to you. I can use several "aiming systems" if I choose to, however, the most important thing to me is to AIM WITH THE CUE BALL, instead of "AT" the object ball. Your distance from the cue ball you can control on a consistent basis, and this is impossible with the object ball.

Therefore, the specific "aiming" is easier done usine a specific part of the cue ball and a "relative" spot on the object ball. Whether you use the top, bottom or middle of the object ball I feel it's important to focus on the CENTER or EDGE (depending on how much "cut" you need) of the object ball to calculate your angle with.

I look at ALL shots like they're "staight in" first before letting my mind focus on what angle I need to "Create". When all is said and done pool is a creative game played with feel and touch, the eyes are used to establish the required information for each shot.

I've never heard a champion talk about winning a tournament or match because their "eyes were good that day." They will comment on how good their feel/touch was because that's the "difference that makes the difference." 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[book collector]

I'd be willing to bet almost every pool player and not just CTE users when they begin playing learned some form of GB aiming. The frustration in aiming using GB is you're forced to aim at imagined targets that you perceive to be correct. As players advance some want to be able to use something that allows for a better visual.

The sad part here is you think that because someone wants to advance their aiming skills they must have no idea what the arrow is or how effective it can be. I think you are mistaken Greg.

There was a book published in the late 1911 by a man named Charles Western, the book came with a "pointer" very similar to the arrow and other aiming tools "invented" by later authors.