Some hypotheticals

John Barton

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Some hypotheticals.

The recent discussion have sparked some questions I'd like to know the answers to. I'd like to get some of your opinions on the following situations:

DISCLAIMER: I am not looking to start a debate that I want to participate in. I know how I would answer some of these questions and am not sure on some of them. I would be happy to see a lot of viewpoints on this issue. This is a little market research but not for any products actually planned, nor for any business model. It is for my own curiosity.

The setting; Valley Forge Super Billiards Expo.

Situation #1. A booth is setup with cues you have never seen before. There are 10 of them, all unique, all intricately inlaid, all nearly flawless. Not copies of or derivatives of anyone else's designs.

Each one has all the attributes of what could be considered an "elite" cue, including pointy points. Balance is good, hit is solid and quiet. Shafts are grade AAA or whatever the cleanest matched set could be. Prices are between $1000 and $4000.


Are you curious?
Do you care enough to find out more about the cues?
Would you invest in any of them?
Would you care where and how they were made?
What if the prices were $500 to $1500, would that make a difference?

Situation #2.

I am sitting at the booth and I tell you that I and three other people made these cues using the factory's resources, but that we worked on, oversaw and approved each step.

Make any difference?

Situation #3.

There is a well known cuemaker in the booth and his logo is on the cues. Remember the premise is that the cues are perfect. And it would be assumed that the cues came from his shop.


Does it matter?

Situation #4 - These cues are from a well known American production cue company.

Do they have any value?

Situation #5 - The cues are from a Chinese cue factory, but still dead perfect.

Would you touch them for any amount?
 
Personally I don't care where a cue is made. If I like the look first, then I pick it up and hit balls with it, then make a determination from there. Also depends on if the cue is for a collection or a player. I have had great playing cues from $80 to $2500. My current player is a southwest copy that plays very well and does whatever I need it to for $150. I don't know if that helps?

Gerry
 
hi john,
i just wanted to say welcome back, its good to see ya posting again.
take care,
joey
 
John Barton said:
Some hypotheticals.

The recent discussion have sparked some questions I'd like to know the answers to. I'd like to get some of your opinions on the following situations:

DISCLAIMER: I am not looking to start a debate that I want to participate in. I know how I would answer some of these questions and am not sure on some of them. I would be happy to see a lot of viewpoints on this issue. This is a little market research but not for any products actually planned, nor for any business model. It is for my own curiosity.

The setting; Valley Forge Super Billiards Expo.

Situation #1. A booth is setup with cues you have never seen before. There are 10 of them, all unique, all intricately inlaid, all nearly flawless. Not copies of or derivatives of anyone else's designs.

Each one has all the attributes of what could be considered an "elite" cue, including pointy points. Balance is good, hit is solid and quiet. Shafts are grade AAA or whatever the cleanest matched set could be. Prices are between $1000 and $4000.


Are you curious?
Do you care enough to find out more about the cues?
Would you invest in any of them?
Would you care where and how they were made?
What if the prices were $500 to $1500, would that make a difference?

Situation #2.

I am sitting at the booth and I tell you that I and three other people made these cues using the factory's resources, but that we worked on, oversaw and approved each step.

Make any difference?

Situation #3.

There is a well known cuemaker in the booth and his logo is on the cues. Remember the premise is that the cues are perfect. And it would be assumed that the cues came from his shop.


Does it matter?

Situation #4 - These cues are from a well known American production cue company.

Do they have any value?

Situation #5 - The cues are from a Chinese cue factory, but still dead perfect.

Would you touch them for any amount?

If it hits good and feels good I'll consider it. {Unless Kt is in the booth.}
 
Along the same vein, there are some very nice cues being made in the Philipines at ridiculously low prices. Only problem I see there is getting good wood for the shafts. The workmanship is top notch and the cues are solid hitters, but some of the shafts I saw were mediocre.
 
John Barton said:
Some hypotheticals.

The recent discussion have sparked some questions I'd like to know the answers to. I'd like to get some of your opinions on the following situations:

DISCLAIMER: I am not looking to start a debate that I want to participate in. I know how I would answer some of these questions and am not sure on some of them. I would be happy to see a lot of viewpoints on this issue. This is a little market research but not for any products actually planned, nor for any business model. It is for my own curiosity.

The setting; Valley Forge Super Billiards Expo.

Situation #1. A booth is setup with cues you have never seen before. There are 10 of them, all unique, all intricately inlaid, all nearly flawless. Not copies of or derivatives of anyone else's designs.

Each one has all the attributes of what could be considered an "elite" cue, including pointy points. Balance is good, hit is solid and quiet. Shafts are grade AAA or whatever the cleanest matched set could be. Prices are between $1000 and $4000.


Are you curious?
Do you care enough to find out more about the cues?
Would you invest in any of them?
Would you care where and how they were made?
What if the prices were $500 to $1500, would that make a difference?

Situation #2.

I am sitting at the booth and I tell you that I and three other people made these cues using the factory's resources, but that we worked on, oversaw and approved each step.

Make any difference?

Situation #3.

There is a well known cuemaker in the booth and his logo is on the cues. Remember the premise is that the cues are perfect. And it would be assumed that the cues came from his shop.


Does it matter?

Situation #4 - These cues are from a well known American production cue company.

Do they have any value?

Situation #5 - The cues are from a Chinese cue factory, but still dead perfect.

Would you touch them for any amount?


The problem is, if they are avalable in unlimited quanities, even if perfect they still should not command a high price.
 
macguy said:
The problem is, if they are avalable in unlimited quanities, even if perfect they still should not command a high price.

Macguy...Porche 911's are available in an "unlimited" supply (as long as you've got the $$$), but they still sell for $125K. What's the difference?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
John Barton said:
Some hypotheticals.

The recent discussion have sparked some questions I'd like to know the answers to. I'd like to get some of your opinions on the following situations:

DISCLAIMER: I am not looking to start a debate that I want to participate in. I know how I would answer some of these questions and am not sure on some of them. I would be happy to see a lot of viewpoints on this issue. This is a little market research but not for any products actually planned, nor for any business model. It is for my own curiosity.

The setting; Valley Forge Super Billiards Expo.

Situation #1. A booth is setup with cues you have never seen before. There are 10 of them, all unique, all intricately inlaid, all nearly flawless. Not copies of or derivatives of anyone else's designs.

Each one has all the attributes of what could be considered an "elite" cue, including pointy points. Balance is good, hit is solid and quiet. Shafts are grade AAA or whatever the cleanest matched set could be. Prices are between $1000 and $4000.


Are you curious?
Do you care enough to find out more about the cues?
Would you invest in any of them?
Would you care where and how they were made?
What if the prices were $500 to $1500, would that make a difference?

Situation #2.

I am sitting at the booth and I tell you that I and three other people made these cues using the factory's resources, but that we worked on, oversaw and approved each step.

Make any difference?

Situation #3.

There is a well known cuemaker in the booth and his logo is on the cues. Remember the premise is that the cues are perfect. And it would be assumed that the cues came from his shop.


Does it matter?

Situation #4 - These cues are from a well known American production cue company.

Do they have any value?

Situation #5 - The cues are from a Chinese cue factory, but still dead perfect.

Would you touch them for any amount?

John, I suspect that in the price range you have outlined most people would expect cues to be not only flawless, great hitters and collectible.

Now, I suspect that some people may not consider the cues collectible unless they are made by the hands of a master craftsman.

Most people who spend a $1000 + for a cue expect to be able to at least get what they paid back if they sell it in the future, if not make a decent profit from a sale. I also think along these same lines most people sending 2000 + are looking at the cue as an investment, the same way a person would buy art or other collectibles.

Last of all John, I think that the current market shows in most cases the points I have outlined above, however, there are always exceptions to every rule.

Have a good night
 
I want my cue made by a guy in his shop. Nothing else interests me.
 
I've found my cue of choice: Schon. Not another cue in the world can do more than look pretty, to me. I've seen some beautiful cues, and that's what they are; no more, no less.
 
My cues are for playing only. I don't collect them.

And the only reason I would get a new cue would be if one of my cues needed replacement for one reason or another. In the past I have bought "back-up" cues/shafts (so I have a spare cue and shaft.)

I would want the same *exact* specification of cue...

-The "name" on the cue does not matter. Does not make me shoot any better.

-The price does not matter, I will get the specification I need, but that is $300 to $600 range.

-Fancy designs on the cue do not matter. Does not make me shoot any better. Actually I feel the "house cue look" has an advantage in certain situations.

-I do prefer certain colors and don't like other colors. So that would be a factor.

What I would want...

-The same weight I use; adjustable weight so I can adjust the weight on my accurate scale.
-The same length I use.
-The same joint I use.
-The same deflection shaft.
-The same radial laminated shaft.
-The same pivot point.
-The same taper.
-The same shaft size at tip.
-The tip would not matter because I would cut it off first thing and put on my tip and my tip shape.
 
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