Sports shrink

Fatboy

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anyone here ever go to a shrink to imrove their game? I saw JoeyA's thread about meditating-all that does is make me sleeply and my arms get heavy thus I cant play.

I'm talking about a shrink like baseball players go to so they can get out of slumps, or play more consistantly.

I read all the books-inner game of tennis, how to win etc 20 years ago, read them lots of times but they didnt help. I want interaction with a trained shrink. I feel that would help my game . My fundemantals are slolid, i dont get nervious or depressed, or self destruct.

RudeDog(RIP) my good friend used to say when he was way behind in a match "I got to find a way to win" and more often he did. I asked him what that meant. He just said the same thing "Find a way to win" i need the answere to that question. JoeW might have some good ideas here. I dont want to read I want to talk with someone.

thanks

Fatboy
 
Sports psychologists (those with a PhD in psychology) are more into helping with learning a new technique. They are pretty much a behavioral bunch. That is they will help people develop things like the quiet eye, the use of deep muscle relaxation, and the use of training methods such as how to get rid of bad habits. While some of them hold forth on positive thinking and similar topics these types of things are usually not well founded in the science of psychology. The work on “Flow” in sports is probably one exception that is researched based. Flow is otherwise known as “The Zone” by pool players; see http://www.amazon.com/dp/0880118768/?tag=thecelpho-20) for one of the best psych books on learning to play your best.

In general, simply talking to a sports psych is not of much use. Bring them a specific problem and they can often be of help. The field is not currently well defined and many people call themselves a sports psychologist who would not be recognized by the discipline of psychology. In most states one cannot use the title “psychologist” unless they are licensed to practice. However, the laws are not strictly enforced and there are people who hold themselves out as sports psychologists who are not legally qualified.

Motivational problems are probably best worked with by a clinical psychologist or a psych trained in community psychology (PsyD).

See http://appliedsportpsych.org/home as one example of a professional association which accepts people with at least a Master’s Degree.

It is best to check the academic qualifications of anyone who states that they are a sports psychologist.

Another alternative to clinical work in sports is sports medicine (see http://www.acsm.org/). and or physiatrists (see http://www.aapmr.org/condtreat/what.htm) who are often trained in sports medicine.
 
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I've never been to a sports psychologist myself, but I always remember my coaches in whatever sport I played talking about 'visualizing' what you wanted to do during practice, like meditating, but with a specific goal in mind, not just trying to clear the mind of anything and everything. I had a coach in high school who was very big on that, and at the end of practice when we were dead friggin' tired, we would lay down on the ground, close our eyes and visualize a match for 5 minutes or so. I'm not sure we understood the importance of 'visualizing' a shot, match, game or whatever back then, but having played pool for a while now, I feel like I get it. You have to see the shot going in, you have to believe it will fall. It sounds simple, but I've been trying to talk myself out of making difficult shots for a long time, and when you stop doing it, it's like opening a door to another level of play. We all know confidence is important, but it can be very hard to change if you're just don't have the natural confidence some players do. Anyways, that's obviously just one small piece of any successful athlete's mental game/prep, but it's the one I remember best.

Now, I'm not into golf at all: don't play it and don't really care to learn it. That being said, the best books I've read/listened to on the mental side of a game were the the ones on golf and especially on putting by Bob Rotella:
http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Bob-Rotell...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274622031&sr=8-1

I got some of these on CD from the library and listened to them in the car. I think they helped a lot, and I think listening to them was much better than reading them. Now, there's obviously material in these books that is specific to golf, but you'd be surprised by how relevant 80-90% of it is to pool. The most relevant to pool is the sections where he discusses putting. It's crazy how much it sounds like he's talking about a pool shot at some times. Every player could definitely learn something from these, and while those who have very specific issues they want to work out or those who are at the pro level might gain from seeing someone reputable one-on-one, these books should help with recognizing and beginning to overcome most of the mental obstacles.

One last thought. While it's clear that the pro/shortstop level player has a lot to gain by improving their mental game as they're at the level where every little optimization is key to maintaining an edge on their opponents, I think it's as or even more valuable for a player who can't play that often, maybe has a job, doesn't have a table at home, not that many players in their area, etc., to improve their mental game. The reason is that the return value is huge. If you can't afford to or just don't have access to a table to play every day, it's going to be very difficult to ever get past a certain physical level of play. But you're still going to be missing shots and losing matches you shouldn't, even with your limited play time each week, because you lose confidence, talk yourself out of a shot, let the other guy get in your head, etc. If you can improve your mental game so that when you miss a shot, it's simply because you missed it, and not because you made yourself miss it or let outside stimuli influence you so that you became more likely to miss it, well, then you're going to be a much much stronger player. I know it's helped me a lot, and while I don't have the time to practice every day like I wished I did, I can work on my mental game whenever. Hope this is of help or at least interest to someone. I assume it is if you made it this far... :)
 
I'm working on the same problem. I'm not going to give you a lot of B.S.,I haven't been totally successful but I know this:

The first step in finding a way to win when you are down is to HONESTLY, with no ego involved, look at the match like a third person and analyze why he is winning/you are losing.

Only if you can do that can you find the way to win ( or maybe find out
that you want to fold).

When I put it on paper it sounds stupid but I think the top-top players have dealt with their egos a long time ago and can look at the course of a match intellectually and decide how to act.


-----------IMNSHO
 
There will never be an easy answer in pool. You simply have to put the hours in to get the results you want. There are no shortcuts to pool wizardry. That's the bad news. Years ago guys would watch me rob someone, and afterward ask me how they can get good at pool. My stock answer was to get obsessed with pool for three years, to the exclusion of everything else. After three years, you may have the skills to win some money doing it.

Once you are a good player, that's when the mental side kicks in. The stronger players mentally are the ones who win the money and the tournaments. But you must get to that point first. If you don't put in the time and the work, you aren't going to become a good player. That's the bad news. No amount of reading books, watching DVD's or getting lessons (or talking to therapists) will replace long hours of practice and dedication. This things can only supplement the time you are putting in at the table.
 
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RudeDog(RIP) my good friend used to say when he was way behind in a match "I got to find a way to win" and more often he did. I asked him what that meant. He just said the same thing "Find a way to win" i need the answere to that question. JoeW might have some good ideas here. I dont want to read I want to talk with someone.

thanks

Fatboy

Ever hear the saying "Play with a lot of heart" ? To me its the same as "Find a way to win". I have no idea how the psychological aspect fits in , but having the drive, spirit and knowledge to win sure help, especially when you are down.
 
There will never be an easy answer in pool. You simply have to put the hours in to get the results you want. There are no shortcuts to pool wizardry. That's the bad news. Years ago guys would watch me rob someone, and afterward ask me how they can get good at pool. My stock answer was to get obsessed with pool for three years, to the exclusion of everything else. After three years, you may have the skills to win some money doing it.

Once you are a good player, that's when the mental side kicks in. The stronger players mentally are the ones who win the money and the tournaments. But you must get to that point first. If you don't put in the time and the work, you aren't going to become a good player. That's the bad news. No amount of reading books, watching DVD's or getting lessons (or talking to therapists) will replace long hours of practice and dedication. This things can only supplement the time you are putting in at the table.

Jay, I only add that there are matches in which you find your self
down when you shouldn't be. That's when you have to decide that ,"I've got to find a way to win."

If a player is just plain better and kickin' your ass, you have to recognize that and pull up.Then go practice more and get better.
 
On AZB I'm a pool player, in real life I'm a licensed clinical psychotherapist and really try to leave that in the office, but.... I frequently use EMDR (eye movement desensitization reprocessing) in my practice, depending on the case and need, and I don't do "sports psychology" on anybody but myself, but there is a "pool" routine I do when I feel I need it. When I do my own stuff, I do a "hypnotic" variation of EMDR on myself and I focus on confidence. That is, I do a self-hypnotic "chant" of sorts to myself in combination with EMDR techniques, on my having confidence in my talent, skill and ability to play pool; confidence in my ability to make good decisions; confidence in my ability to see the whole table; confidence in my ability to execute whatever shot is right at the instant of the shot; confidence in my stroke, my control of the cueball, my fundamentals, my focus on ob, etc, etc, etc. When I'm in a slump, doing chant this for 3-5 minutes can make an immediate change in my game, if the problem is me. It seems to focus my subconscious mind on all the little things that comprise "winning". Anyway, it works for me, but will never make me a champion as I'm limited by my physical ability. Hope you find what works for you, maybe it's going to a sports psychologist, maybe not...good luck!
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On AZB I'm a pool player, in real life I'm a licensed clinical psychotherapist and really try to leave that in the office, but....
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Since your here, can I ask you a couple questions about my
social anxiety? :help: :yeah: :outtahere:
 
There will never be an easy answer in pool. You simply have to put the hours in to get the results you want. There are no shortcuts to pool wizardry. That's the bad news. Years ago guys would watch me rob someone, and afterward ask me how they can get good at pool. My stock answer was to get obsessed with pool for three years, to the exclusion of everything else. After three years, you may have the skills to win some money doing it.

Once you are a good player, that's when the mental side kicks in. The stronger players mentally are the ones who win the money and the tournaments. But you must get to that point first. If you don't put in the time and the work, you aren't going to become a good player. That's the bad news. No amount of reading books, watching DVD's or getting lessons (or talking to therapists) will replace long hours of practice and dedication. This things can only supplement the time you are putting in at the table.

Thank you, Jay. This is the most sound and solid advice I have seen concerning this subject. You are telling it as it should be. R Sturgill
 
Sports psychologists (those with a PhD in psychology) are more into helping with learning a new technique. They are pretty much a behavioral bunch. That is they will help people develop things like the quiet eye, the use of deep muscle relaxation, and the use of training methods such as how to get rid of bad habits. While some of them hold forth on positive thinking and similar topics these types of things are usually not well founded in the science of psychology. The work on “Flow” in sports is probably one exception that is researched based. Flow is otherwise known as “The Zone” by pool players; see http://www.amazon.com/dp/0880118768/?tag=thecelpho-20) for one of the best psych books on learning to play your best.

In general, simply talking to a sports psych is not of much use. Bring them a specific problem and they can often be of help. The field is not currently well defined and many people call themselves a sports psychologist who would not be recognized by the discipline of psychology. In most states one cannot use the title “psychologist” unless they are licensed to practice. However, the laws are not strictly enforced and there are people who hold themselves out as sports psychologists who are not legally qualified.

Motivational problems are probably best worked with by a clinical psychologist or a psych trained in community psychology (PsyD).

See http://appliedsportpsych.org/home as one example of a professional association which accepts people with at least a Master’s Degree.

It is best to check the academic qualifications of anyone who states that they are a sports psychologist.

Another alternative to clinical work in sports is sports medicine (see http://www.acsm.org/). and or physiatrists (see http://www.aapmr.org/condtreat/what.htm) who are often trained in sports medicine.

What do you have to say about the University of Virginia basketball team using a sports psychologist who uses hypnosis? Supposedly it works wonders.
 
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