Spot Shot English

ShootingArts said:
... I have slept since using this but there is an easy way to make spot shots. I forget where the cue ball goes but you aim at the first diamond on the foot of the table. Ignore the ball on the spot, it is going in with no thought or calculation, no worries about what could go wrong. Somebody with a better memory can describe this shot. ..
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It's in Ray Martin's book on page 111. You shoot towards the middle diamond on the end rail so the cue ball is about 6 inches from the head spot and on the line. If you are off 3/8 inch in your placement along the headstring, you will be off 1/8 inch at the object ball.

I think it's easier to place the cue ball so that the shot is exactly a half-ball shot. You will be shooting with the cue stick over part of the corner pocket. Which part works for you depends on the table size and how sticky the balls are. This system is much less sensitive to ball placement errors.
 
Black-Balled said:
I'd disagree that shooting the last ball into a non-scoring pocket has to be a 'silly thing to do'. There are certainly situations where it is to the advantage of the first shooter, others where it is unavoidable.
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While leaving the CB uptable and giving your opponent an out? Well then we’ll have to agree to disagree


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maha said:
in many or most cases where you need just one ball, you want to leave the cueball down on the short rail so he is shooting up table at his balls.
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I’d respectfully disagree. The best place to leave the CB after shooting the spot shot in one pocket is near the top pocket on your side. The only shot you’d leave is a three railer if your opponent is mad at their money


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book collector said:
How would you shoot the shot
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I like setting up for perfect half ball aim and committing to the shot.

But if I'm playing a two-way I like your shot - I might even try it a little thinner to slow the OB down so it won't bounce out too far on a miss.

pj
chgo

P.S. Since the scratch in the lower right corner looms larger as the cut gets thinner, I compared the CB's carom angle with the "2/7" rule described by Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett. Right on the money as usual - nothing to worry about (as long as I come close on the shot). Also another example of VP4's impressive realism.

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alphadog said:
BB is correct . He didnt say pocket last ball and leave a shot.
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That’s what I had said in my post he meant to quote.

Anyway, if your opponent has a relatively low risk shot directly at his hole after you pocketed the last ball in a non-scoring pocket it’s a silly thing to do


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Now let's see if I have it. This thread posed an initial inquiry concerning "English", correct? So answers refering to "spin" were mistaken or nonresponsive? Did anyone not understand my reference to "top English"? Was actual confusion created? I have heard the terms "English" (yes, it is supposed to be capitalized) and "spin" used interchangeably my entire pool life. To me, "follow" and "draw" have always sounded stilted or affected. (please note the "a", you smug students of spelling, usage, and grammar.) And, further, you labor to draw a distinction for the benefit of a group that does not know, or is incapable of recognizing, the very important differences between "your" and "you're" and "to" and "too"? Two, or more, can play this game.
 
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Biloxi Boy said:
Now let's see if I have it. This thread posed an initial inquiry concerning "English", correct? So answers refering to "spin" were mistaken or nonresponsive? Did anyone not understand my reference to "top English"? Was actual confusion created? I have heard the terms "English" (yes, it is supposed to be capitalized) and "spin" used interchangeably my entire pool life. To me, "follow" and "draw" have always sounded stilted or affected. (please note the "a", you smug students of spelling, usage, and grammar.) And, further, you labor to draw a distinction for the benefit of a group that does not know, or is incapable of recognizing, the very important differences between "your" and "you're" and "to" and "too"? Two, or more, can play this game.
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The term might be a reference might be a reference to the forked nature of British entendre so top english wouldn't make any sense to some.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Or, maybe even more likely, both of you forget to spot the penalty ball after the scratch. o_O

I haven't seen a "scratches don't count" game for a long, long time. The last strange spot I saw was when I gave "nothing I do counts" to a fairly good player and I got a ball spot. It was a mistake especially since I had never seen the game played.
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Hard to make a ball frozen to the back of something
 
maha said:
you can make convoluted conditions to then make any scenario possible in pool. that ruins all discussions or thoughts.
a standard game is what we talk about when we give an example. otherwise you define the parameters if you want to include other options.
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Even better you could just play out the shot as it was originally posted, and not add anything to it but your idea of the solution ,My response was only after your "convoluted condition , that ruined the original conversation with semi correct but unnecessary information. See how that works?
 
Biloxi Boy said:
Now let's see if I have it. This thread posed an initial inquiry concerning "English", correct? So answers refering to "spin" were mistaken or nonresponsive? Did anyone not understand my reference to "top English"? Was actual confusion created? I have heard the terms "English" (yes, it is supposed to be capitalized) and "spin" used interchangeably my entire pool life. To me, "follow" and "draw" have always sounded stilted or affected. (please note the "a", you smug students of spelling, usage, and grammar.) And, further, you labor to draw a distinction for the benefit of a group that does not know, or is incapable of recognizing, the very important differences between "your" and "you're" and "to" and "too"? Two, or more, can play this game.
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Ok, my answer is. I’ve used follow, inside, outside, draw, and combinations of all the above depending on what I need afterwards. However I use draw as my preferred way. Second is the slow roll. Both of those use no spin(English)
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I like setting up for perfect half ball aim and committing to the shot.

But if I'm playing a two-way I like your shot - I might even try it a little thinner to slow the OB down so it won't bounce out too far on a miss.

pj
chgo

P.S. Since the scratch in the lower right corner looms larger as the cut gets thinner, I compared the CB's carom angle with the "2/7" rule described by Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett. Right on the money as usual - nothing to worry about (as long as I come close on the shot). Also another example of VP4's impressive realism.

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I’ve seen plenty of pro 1P players scratch from there in the bottom pocket
 
Ratamon said:
While leaving the CB uptable and giving your opponent an out? Well then we’ll have to agree to disagree


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Sometimes it is unavoidable and honestly, I prefer to be the one who drops that ball than the one who shoots from the end rail.

What do you suggest when the only ball is right in front of a pocket at the head end of the table?
 
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