What is a stun stroke?and what purpose does it have?
stun stroke
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Stun is the shot you get when the cueball hits the object ball while sliding. That means the cueball is neither rolling forward (follow) nor spinning backwards (draw).
A straight in stun shot where the cueball, object ball and the pocket are directly aligned to each other, is a stop shot. The cueball stops where the objectball used to lie.
At an angle, the stun shot causes the cueball to follow the tangent line after contact with objectball.
The easiest way I can think of to achieve stun is to hit the cueball slightly below centre as if trying to draw the cueball. The aim is to "kill" the draw on the cueball before it hits the object ball. Once the draw runs out on the cueball it will start sliding. This is when you want to time it so that the cueball hits the objectball. Anytime before or after this sliding period will result in either draw or follow.
It is probably one of the most important shots you have to learn. It teaches you how to stop the cueball for position and it teaches you to follow the most predictable path the cueball can take after contact with object ball (tangent line).
I asked about this a while back too and I got good responses on this thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=115050
Hope I helped =)
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Actually, not sure if this is the response you are looking for lol. You are probably not a beginner and you probably know the stuff i posted.
A straight in stun shot where the cueball, object ball and the pocket are directly aligned to each other, is a stop shot. The cueball stops where the objectball used to lie.
At an angle, the stun shot causes the cueball to follow the tangent line after contact with objectball.
The easiest way I can think of to achieve stun is to hit the cueball slightly below centre as if trying to draw the cueball. The aim is to "kill" the draw on the cueball before it hits the object ball. Once the draw runs out on the cueball it will start sliding. This is when you want to time it so that the cueball hits the objectball. Anytime before or after this sliding period will result in either draw or follow.
It is probably one of the most important shots you have to learn. It teaches you how to stop the cueball for position and it teaches you to follow the most predictable path the cueball can take after contact with object ball (tangent line).
I asked about this a while back too and I got good responses on this thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=115050
Hope I helped =)
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Actually, not sure if this is the response you are looking for lol. You are probably not a beginner and you probably know the stuff i posted.
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LA stun stroke is what happens when beginners shot hard an try to draw their ball an it doesn't draw. It just sits there an smiles at them. There are many uses for stun it is a stroke between draw an force follow. Now I've gone an confused myself. I better quit now or I'll start thinking I can play an run out the door an give somebody my money at the local Poolhall. A guy told me the secret to pool when I was a youngster an I'm gonna pass it on to you.........Heres the secret don't tell nobody..........Pool is a simple game all you gotta do is shoot all the balls off the table an you win....................
Pinocchio
LA stun stroke is what happens when beginners shot hard an try to draw their ball an it doesn't draw. It just sits there an smiles at them. There are many uses for stun it is a stroke between draw an force follow. Now I've gone an confused myself. I better quit now or I'll start thinking I can play an run out the door an give somebody my money at the local Poolhall. A guy told me the secret to pool when I was a youngster an I'm gonna pass it on to you.........Heres the secret don't tell nobody..........Pool is a simple game all you gotta do is shoot all the balls off the table an you win....................
Pinocchio
another big use for a stun is if you need an angle to get the CB where it needs to be, but only have a small angle, stun it hard and force the CB over...its good for widening an angle. hope this helps a little
This is how I use it the most, I can move the cb a long ways on a straight in shot just by cheating the pocket, of course you must be some what close to the pocket you intend to cheat.:wink:
Success at progressive stop shot drills is a bedrock staple of any good player. If you can't perform stop shots at varying distances, get busy.
thanks
thanks folks for all off the responses.
I am familiar with this shot and most of the uses that were described,I just never heard it called that.I probably should practice this stroke more
and pay more attention,thanks to you guys I 'll have a better understanding.
thanks folks for all off the responses.
I am familiar with this shot and most of the uses that were described,I just never heard it called that.I probably should practice this stroke more
and pay more attention,thanks to you guys I 'll have a better understanding.
Gotta see me use my jump cue then. Most of them go off the table.
Stun vs Stop
A stun is when the cue ball stops after it takes the space previously occupied by the object ball. In essence it is one ball of follow (even if you are shooting a shot with an angle). Conversely a stop shot would not replace the object ball nor would it cross the original tangent line. Now if I could hit the shot I want every time I set-up I would be a pro! LOL
A stun is when the cue ball stops after it takes the space previously occupied by the object ball. In essence it is one ball of follow (even if you are shooting a shot with an angle). Conversely a stop shot would not replace the object ball nor would it cross the original tangent line. Now if I could hit the shot I want every time I set-up I would be a pro! LOL
not the stun shot at all unless they want to call it something different in the APA (which wouldnt surprise me). a stun shot has no aspect of follow at all. it is as described it the other excellent posts in this thread.
brian
Stun Shot
Similar to a stop shot, but used when there is a slight angle on the shot. The cue ball is stunned but still has some lateral movement along the tangent line.
Definition from...http://www.ez-shot-ghost-ball.com/pool_billiards_glossary.html
Similar to a stop shot, but used when there is a slight angle on the shot. The cue ball is stunned but still has some lateral movement along the tangent line.
Definition from...http://www.ez-shot-ghost-ball.com/pool_billiards_glossary.html
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I beg to differ. The APA has nothing to do with it. (why would they?) That comment was unnecessary as it has absolutely nothing to do with the different strokes. The APA simply runs and provides rules for the world's largest amateur pool league.
So what is the difference in a stun and a stop? I believe I am correct but would love to know your answer.
A stop shot is a stun shot with zero angle.
A stun shot is a shot that travels along the tangent line of the shot.
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Maybe I am wrong but then why the two different terminologies? I could swear I was in a lesson awhile back and the pro used stun to describe the shot where the cue ball replaces the OB and stop to describe the shot where the cue ball stops before the OB. Am I going crazy? Where is Scott Lee or Roger Long when I need them? LOL
it's just several different ways of using the same word, sort of like how "shark" can mean "pro" or "hustler" or "trying to distract an opponent so that they screw up their shot".
What someone means by "stun stroke" depends on the context and what kind of pool slang they usually use in their area.
So far definitions include:
1. Just a firm centerball stroke that ensures the cue ball slides from point A to point B without picking up any roll, so it goes along the tangent line.
2. The same kind of stroke, but used in a situation where there's not much angle to work with, so you must hit extra firm to force the cue ball to move laterally. Also called "pounding it".
3. Doing what I call a "stun follow" shot, where hitting firmly and a touch above center causes the cue ball to slide into the OB like a stop shot, but then it gently rolls forward a bit because of the small amount of topspin that you got from hitting above center.
Just keep all the possible definitions in mind when the term pops up and you'll be able to tell from the context which one they're talking about.
I don't like terms like "stun stroke" (or 'draw stroke' or any other stroke). Your stroke is your stroke. It doesn't become a different or special stroke because you hit high or low on the ball. It's not a special stroke because you got too straight and must hit harder to compensate. Your actual stroke mechanics should be the same whether you're tapping in a hanger, drilling a shot and spinning with inside to go 3 rails for position, or pounding a too-straight shot with center ball to force the CB to slide over a few more inches.
What someone means by "stun stroke" depends on the context and what kind of pool slang they usually use in their area.
So far definitions include:
1. Just a firm centerball stroke that ensures the cue ball slides from point A to point B without picking up any roll, so it goes along the tangent line.
2. The same kind of stroke, but used in a situation where there's not much angle to work with, so you must hit extra firm to force the cue ball to move laterally. Also called "pounding it".
3. Doing what I call a "stun follow" shot, where hitting firmly and a touch above center causes the cue ball to slide into the OB like a stop shot, but then it gently rolls forward a bit because of the small amount of topspin that you got from hitting above center.
Just keep all the possible definitions in mind when the term pops up and you'll be able to tell from the context which one they're talking about.
I don't like terms like "stun stroke" (or 'draw stroke' or any other stroke). Your stroke is your stroke. It doesn't become a different or special stroke because you hit high or low on the ball. It's not a special stroke because you got too straight and must hit harder to compensate. Your actual stroke mechanics should be the same whether you're tapping in a hanger, drilling a shot and spinning with inside to go 3 rails for position, or pounding a too-straight shot with center ball to force the CB to slide over a few more inches.
randyg is right here. I don't think your crazy. It's the info and terminalogy that change from person to person.
What that pro described is a "replacement" shot. Very little use for it in game situations. A "stun" shot is when the CB leaves the OB with no spin on the CB. The CB is sliding or stuning down the tangent line.....SPF=randyg
I humbly admit the error of my ways!
Scott Lee PM'd me with the "replacement shot" explanation also. Not sure why this other guy used the word stun. I must have misunderstood. Scott also explained how difficult the shot is to execute. Thanks Randy and the rest of you guys for correcting me. Funny thing I always understood it correctly until I took that lesson...If I may judge, you could be an instructor someday...very nice explanation.
Many people, like you, use the term "sliding" to mean the cueball doesn't have topspin or backspin on it. I wonder if they're in the majority? I mean it's okay with me
, but I tend to think of it as sliding whenever the cueball isn't rolling. It's just a terminology issue. I guess if one doesn't specify which one they have in mind (which was completely clear in your post), things can get confusing.Jim