I just read an article written about the Derby Bank Tournament. I would like some clarification from anyone who was really there. The article states that SVB called a 4-rail bank that went in after 2-rails, and he took the win and started to rack. A SPECTATOR called the director and had the game taken away. Fact? Fiction? Thoughts . . .
SVB - Bank Story Clarification
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I saw that story and tried to figure out how a ball could go in the correct pocket on two instead of four cushions, but couldn't. I'd also like to hear from an eye witness.
Here's a thread from that night with some discussion of the matter: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=261494
You are probably reading my article
I was there and know Shane was looking at the shot and feel he called one shot then changed his mind but didn't call the 2 rails. The shot was like it was fired out of a cannon and split the pocket. I still want to see the Accustats video. I know everyone cheered and Shane started racking for the next break. That is when Ken and John questioned it. The spectator (also a player) that said something to Ken and John was in the seats behind Shane's chair. I was at the other corner by John's chair. I think Shane thought he had re-called the shot, you could see him playing it back in his mind and just shaking his head. It was called loss of game because he moved the only remaining ball on the table when he started to rack. I felt with the outside intervention there should have been a Null Game and a rerack. You had factors for both players that were very unusual. I also felt this was the turrning point in this final match. John going up 2 to 0 in the race to 3. That was my view from the rail and keeping score as well as taking pictures.
I was there and know Shane was looking at the shot and feel he called one shot then changed his mind but didn't call the 2 rails. The shot was like it was fired out of a cannon and split the pocket. I still want to see the Accustats video. I know everyone cheered and Shane started racking for the next break. That is when Ken and John questioned it. The spectator (also a player) that said something to Ken and John was in the seats behind Shane's chair. I was at the other corner by John's chair. I think Shane thought he had re-called the shot, you could see him playing it back in his mind and just shaking his head. It was called loss of game because he moved the only remaining ball on the table when he started to rack. I felt with the outside intervention there should have been a Null Game and a rerack. You had factors for both players that were very unusual. I also felt this was the turrning point in this final match. John going up 2 to 0 in the race to 3. That was my view from the rail and keeping score as well as taking pictures.
Thanks for the pointer, but several things still aren't clear. It would be nice if someone had a video.
But I think the four-railer off the spot can't go on two unless it hits the corner pocket points and flukes in or the bumpers are really funny.
Bob
Bob I think Shane was going for a 4 rail shot then changed his mind but called pocket but not the 2 rails. The shot went so clean the crowd cheered and Shane started racking then the spectator/other player said he called 4 and it went 2. When asked Shane stopped and then answered but. I think it was just a mistake on his part. Accustats will have the video. I know I ordered it at Derby.
Ricky Bryant
Bob I think Shane was going for a 4 rail shot then changed his mind but called pocket but not the 2 rails. The shot went so clean the crowd cheered and Shane started racking then the spectator/other player said he called 4 and it went 2. When asked Shane stopped and then answered but. I think it was just a mistake on his part. Accustats will have the video. I know I ordered it at Derby.
Ricky Bryant
Bob I was watching and if I remember right the ball wasn't on the spot, it was closer to the end rail, he called 4, then looked at it again and shot, it went straight in 2 rails and it looked like that was what he was playing, just forgot to call it.
I believe the ball was on the spot or close to it. Shane was up on the count so either shot was free and both played. It appeared Shane was trying to leave the ball around the pocket in case he missed because the other corner pocket was blocked with balls. I think he just miss hit it because after the ball went 2 rails he seemed aggravated. He was playing the cb off the long rail and back towards the center of the table.
That's what I recall too, it was closer to the rail, not on the spot.
Bob it was recorded on accu-stats so the video will be out eventually.
I talked to Shane, John and Ken about it and still can't figure out exactly what happened. General consensus was Shane basically brain farted. Lacking further evidence I don't see it being anything more than that but I am biased as I have never seen the kid do anything out of line since I have known him.
I watched it there. When Shane made the two railer, he took the ball out of the pocket and stood there for a second like he wasn't sure what happened. If I remember it correctly, I'm pretty sure Morra stood up and started bringing his balls back to the table. At that point, Shane raked the balls and started racking.
A moment later, John came up and starting talking to Shane. They called Kenny over and after some discussion the game was awarded to John.
Take that with a grain of salt, as I am not 100% clear on it. I know that Shane hesitated, but if he changed the bank in his head, maybe he thought with John getting up that he called it outloud.
Either way, it was a weird situation.
I was watching on the stream when this happened and to me, according to Shane's facial expression and body language, it sure looked like he didn't mean for the shot to go in like it did but he quickly went with the flow given the audiences big explosion of applause.
When the video becomes available, I think you will also see Shane's wry smile as he discusses it with John and Ken at the footrail. He didn't argue it much though.
They did a replay or two for us viewing the stream.
That's what I saw.
Best,
Brian kc
When the video becomes available, I think you will also see Shane's wry smile as he discusses it with John and Ken at the footrail. He didn't argue it much though.
They did a replay or two for us viewing the stream.
That's what I saw.
Best,
Brian kc
Let's just say Shane made a mistake and lesson learned. And let it go at that. I too like Shane a lot and think he is a great representative for American pool, but even he can make a mistake. Hopefully he learns from this experience that he will always be in the spotlight and people watch everything he does closely (on or off the table!), just like any other public figure. If it had happened to almost any other player on an outside table we'd probably never hear about it.
A call of twice straight back or four in the corner could go in the same pocket. Bob, I don't think you thought long enough.
Why would you bank 4 rails if you can bank it 2? I think perhaps he made a mistake verbally calling the wrong pocket. I highly doubt he was trying to cheat, tough to do on Accustats and in front of all those people. Some people really like the drama, the guy is great for pool, our best American player. People need to lay off of him, as compared to other pool players he is a damn saint for sure. Whenever someone sees a guy who is where Shane is without a bad rep they are just waiting to see him slip up and point there fingers, makes me sick.
I think my question was answered by: "The ball was not on the spot." If it's 8 inches or so below the spot, it's makeable on either two or four from where he is said to have been.A call of twice straight back or four in the corner could go in the same pocket. Bob, I don't think you thought long enough.
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Everyone here knows Shane is one of the most upstanding players in the pool world. I don't think he would intentionally do something like some are suggesting. He made a mistake in the heat of the moment. I think his true character was shown when he did not argue about it. He also gave a big kudos to John for his stellar play in the bank division after he won master of the table. It was very cool and speaks volumes about him as a person.
Gary
Gary
actually
For me, the 4 railer is a little easier to judge the angle, than the 2 in the corner is. In some cases, depending on where the cue ball is laying, it is also easier to play semi safe, and leave the cue ball at the other end of the table, from where the object ball ends up. I didn't see the shot, and don't know how they laid, but I will be ordering this match also.
For me, the 4 railer is a little easier to judge the angle, than the 2 in the corner is. In some cases, depending on where the cue ball is laying, it is also easier to play semi safe, and leave the cue ball at the other end of the table, from where the object ball ends up. I didn't see the shot, and don't know how they laid, but I will be ordering this match also.