SVB versus Shaw score updates...Anybody?

[JB Cases]

I remember when this was announced, people were complaining about the original price of $40 for two days.

Well I would gladly pay that (and maybe a little more) to see Shane play this format against Ko Pin Yi or his brother, Ko Ping Chung.

Not saying Shane doesn't get there against him, but I just can't see him dominating either one of them like he has other players. It would be interesting to see what the lines would be for either match up.

Both of them and every player on the planet has a standing invitation to play Shane in the race to 100 format. No one is barred afaik.

All they have to do is make the arrangements. Shane has all the backing.

At this level races to 21 are now considered short races.

I think a lot of players get into give-up mode against Shane when he starts putting packages on them. Players that don't do that are more likely to be able to hang with Shane.

I once asked Rafael Martinez what went through his mind when someone was putting a package on him. He said he was only thinking of how many racks he would run when it was his turn.

 

[brandoncook26]

I remember when this was announced, people were complaining about the original price of $40 for two days.

Well I would gladly pay that (and maybe a little more) to see Shane play this format against Ko Pin Yi or his brother, Ko Ping Chung.

Not saying Shane doesn't get there against him, but I just can't see him dominating either one of them like he has other players. It would be interesting to see what the lines would be for either match up.

I definitely think there are a handful of guys that could compete. I'm just saying if Shane is playing in a race to 100, I'm either betting on SVB or keeping my money in my pocket. I've just seen him put a beat down on too many guys. His crushing of Orcollo sealed it for me. I think he's either going to blow guys away or it's gonna be tight. I don't see anyone doing to Shane what he does to most. Just my opinion.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Both of them and every player on the planet has a standing invitation to play Shane in the race to 100 format. No one is barred afaik.

All they have to do is make the arrangements. Shane has all the backing.

At this level races to 21 are now considered short races.

I think a lot of players get into give-up mode against Shane when he starts putting packages on them. Players that don't do that are more likely to be able to hang with Shane.

I once asked Rafael Martinez what went through his mind when someone was putting a package on him. He said he was only thinking of how many racks he would run when it was his turn.

There aren't that many players that can match Shane when putting packages together.

KPY and KPC are part of that small group.

 

[JB Cases]

There aren't that many players that can match Shane when putting packages together.

KPY and KPC are part of that small group.

Fully agree. It would be nice if there was a true World Championship in this format like a heavyweight fight.

In the old days 14.1 championships were often contested between just two players, the champion and the challenger. Mosconi used to beat opponents by doubling their scores in races to 1500 points. They would play blocks of 250 for six days or whatever was negotiated.

I'd love to see all the top guys battling it out like this on a regular basis even though I think most people don't have the time or money to spend on matches of this length.

But imagine if there was a ladder and a real organization to arrange these battles. Appleton vs. Ko Pin Yi, Li He Wen vs. Shane, Orcullo vs Bustamante etc...leading up who plays for the crown.

I think that this was the vision TAR had in mind and what Ray Hansen is trying to establish. I want to see them playing for 50 or 100,000 - life changing money.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Fully agree. It would be nice if there was a true World Championship in this format like a heavyweight fight.

In the old days 14.1 championships were often contested between just two players, the champion and the challenger. Mosconi used to beat opponents by doubling their scores in races to 1500 points. They would play blocks of 250 for six days or whatever was negotiated.

I'd love to see all the top guys battling it out like this on a regular basis even though I think most people don't have the time or money to spend on matches of this length.

But imagine if there was a ladder and a real organization to arrange these battles. Appleton vs. Ko Pin Yi, Li He Wen vs. Shane, Orcullo vs Bustamante etc...leading up who plays for the crown.

I think that this was the vision TAR had in mind and what Ray Hansen is trying to establish. I want to see them playing for 50 or 100,000 - life changing money.

I think you can achieve the same result in a race to 50.

It's long enough that rolls are pretty even, and packages can still be put together, but not too long that it needs to be played over multiple days.

 

[takeitdown]

I think you can achieve the same result in a race to 50.

It's long enough that rolls are pretty even, and packages can still be put together, but not too long that it needs to be played over multiple days.

50 definitely is enough to see it. Today was awesome and all I saw was scores and the package counts.

Tomorrow is another day. Probably gonna be just like today.

I'm getting the stream tomorrow. We gotta support this type of pool. Then they will have to keep giving the people more of what they want.

 

[gxman]

I was in and out. What was shanes biggest package?

 

[JB Cases]

I think you can achieve the same result in a race to 50.

It's long enough that rolls are pretty even, and packages can still be put together, but not too long that it needs to be played over multiple days.

Maybe, numbers are sometimes arbitrary. But consider this. In two matches even though there was a big, seemingly insurmountable, lead after the first day, the trailing player came back to win the set going to 100. I liken these matches more like a World Series than a single set.

Shane was I think 17 games ahead of Alex in their first matchup and no one thought Alex had a prayer. Alex caught up at 91 and won I think 100 to 94. (At Large has the facts on this.)

And the other one was Donny Mills just crushing Shane with the soft break running out almost every rack he broke. Shane changed the way he was breaking and stopped trying to duplicate Donny's break and ended up winning the set.

I think it's really hard to pick a number that should be "the right test" but 100 is nice number. I go either way with it but I think that the longer the race the more chance there is for swings and comebacks. It also means that over a couple days the players have had plenty of chance to show everything they have got in the tank. No excuses, all the strengths and weaknesses in their games should be displayed with enough data to accurately see how they stack up against their opponent.

I think that the players should have a voice in what the race length is. Like boxers who are part of the negotiations when setting up a fight. My thought is some boxers would prefer a shorter fight and some a longer one based on their own assessment of their skills and endurance.

But for consistency it should probably be a set race that everyone goes to so that stats can be compiled and compared and the debate doesn't continue endlessly about who could beat whom at what race length. Make it 100 and let that be the standard. A good round number.

Fence sitting is really bad for one's balls.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Alex's comeback is the exception not the norm.

 

[StraightPoolIU]

When it comes to 10 ball race to 100 winner break SVB certainly doesn't have a tough living up to expectations. Considering how sometimes Shaw is his own worst enemy when things aren't going his way I think this race to 100 format against Shane is double tough. To have a chance at that game your mental fortitude is every bit as important as your execution. The matches with Alex and Donny were great examples of that from different perspectives.

 

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[JB Cases]

Alex's comeback is the exception not the norm.

Of course. But it was the exception that made it exciting. People like to see comebacks and heart.

They like to see players come from behind and grind it out.

Ko Pin Yi for example running 11 racks to beat Orcullo after being down 12-2 in the finals is an example of the sort of exciting finish that fans hope for regardless of who they are rooting for.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Of course. But it was the exception that made it exciting. People like to see comebacks and heart.

They like to see players come from behind and grind it out.

Ko Pin Yi for example running 11 racks to beat Orcullo after being down 12-2 in the finals is an example of the sort of exciting finish that fans hope for regardless of who they are rooting for.

Agree, but my point is that you are more likely to get that out of a race to 50 vs 100.

And the rolls even out just as much, which is the whole point of playing longer races.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

I LOVE Shaw's fearless game. But 1 thing that will stick in my mind was when Daz was in a live stream chat while we watched Shaw in an important match - perhaps 1.5 years ago? - where he said something to the effect : "Great shooter, but until he gets his head/emotions together, he won't reach the pinnacle".

I was stunned how outspoken and repeatelly critical Daz was, yet I took his comments as frustration in combination with genuine hope for Jayson.

I've also seen Shaw go on tilt, in person, a few times at the largest of stages.

Tough game at this level.

 

[Scott Lee]

WOW!...1am on your belated birthday, and you can STILL post coherently...after HOW many cocktails? LOL Good job!:thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I LOVE Shaw's fearless game. But 1 thing that will stick in my mind was when Daz was in a live stream chat while we watched Shaw in an important match - perhaps 1.5 years ago? - where he said something to the effect : "Great shooter, but until he gets his head/emotions together, he won't reach the pinnacle".

I was stunned how outspoken and repeatelly critical Daz was, yet I took his comments as frustration in combination with genuine hope for Jayson.

I've also seen Shaw go on tilt, in person, a few times at the largest of stages.

Tough game at this level.

 

[actionplayer]

why is everyone wanting ko pin yi to play svb ? he already did and beat him and was playing bad, well least breaking bad, Love shaw but too immature and no chance to win. race to 100 alex beats svb everyone forgets about that.

svb top top player no question but still a lot to prove to the non americans. has a losing mosconi record and no title/s abroad. is not in the sam league as Appleton / hohmann example in terms of credentials

 

[Nick B]

Alex came back and beat him once. The other times (including last time) got torched. Race to 100 is Shane's preferred format. He can be beat but not by many and not often.

Nick

why is everyone wanting ko pin yi to play svb ? he already did and beat him and was playing bad, well least breaking bad, Love shaw but too immature and no chance to win. race to 100 alex beats svb everyone forgets about that.

svb top top player no question but still a lot to prove to the non americans. has a losing mosconi record and no title/s abroad. is not in the sam league as Appleton / hohmann example in terms of credentials

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

WOW!...1am on your belated birthday, and you can STILL post coherently...after HOW many cocktails? LOL Good job!:thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I so wanna beat yo butt after that compliment. Scott, you just wait 'til Pink catches ahold. Did you know her middle name is pirranha?

Just my opinion, on topic - let's see if Jayson elevates his game from what appears to be a certain SVB spanking.

KK9 <-- holding his breath

 

[itsfroze]

Of course. But it was the exception that made it exciting. People like to see comebacks and heart.

They like to see players come from behind and grind it out.

Ko Pin Yi for example running 11 racks to beat Orcullo after being down 12-2 in the finals is an example of the sort of exciting finish that fans hope for regardless of who they are rooting for.

14 - 4 it was a race to 15. I get your point though. The match between Alex and Shane where Alex came from behind is the best match I've ever watched and I've watched it 11 times all 21 1/2 hours of it. :thumbup:

P.S. I might watch it again.

 

[itsfroze]

Agree, but my point is that you are more likely to get that out of a race to 50 vs 100.

And the rolls even out just as much, which is the whole point of playing longer races.

Alex was down by 22 games at some point in the second day in the race to 100 against Shane, and I think Shane was already at or past the 50 game mark. So if they were playing a race to 50 there would have been no come back by Alex and Shane would have won. So I disagree. :smile: