SVB vs Frost Barbox with 5" Pockets

[DogsPlayingPool]

Whatever size the pockets were I would guess they played on that table simply because that was the table that either the stream was set up on or that is the table streams are always set up on. It probably had more to do with what table offered the best viewing for the attendees.

Put another way, they probably didn't bring in a table specially set up tighter for the event.

Just a guess, I wasn't there.

 

[mikeyfrost]

Why wouldn't he lose by 46 on a tighter table?

BVal

I didnt check Day 3 analysis yet but here's something to think about. Take away SVB's 46 break and runs after 2 days and Scott's 9 Break and Runs and you have the games where they had to play some pool with each other to win. That score after two days is 55-54 Scott winning. My thinking is on a tighter table the break isn't going to be so automatic and less balls will find their way home in general, more balls on the table the more potential problems. When the safety battles or pushes came into play Scott won more of those games, at least after 2 days.

Soooo I feel like more games where both players will shoot will happen on a tighter table and if thats the case Scott can't lose by 46 games. Scott out kicks, out safes, out banks, and out jumps SVB, at least he did this weekend. The difference he lost by is all in the break and run column!

 

[mikeyfrost]

Whatever size the pockets were I would guess they played on that table simply because that was the table that either the stream was set up on or that is the table streams are always set up on. It probably had more to do with what table offered the best viewing for the attendees.

Put another way, they probably didn't bring in a table specially set up tighter for the event.

Just a guess, I wasn't there.

Winner winner chicken dinner...right on all counts. Get him a gold star guys!

 

[sunnyday]

Diamond does not make 5 inch pocket tables!

Any other comments about the 5" pockets?

Standard league cut: 4 3/4 in
Pro cut: 4 1/2 in

Diamond does alter it's standard if someone special ordered for 5 inch pocket, but one that Shane and Scott played on wasn't it!

S.

 

[BVal]

I didnt check Day 3 analysis yet but here's something to think about. Take away SVB's 46 break and runs after 2 days and Scott's 9 Break and Runs and you have the games where they had to play some pool with each other to win. That score after two days is 55-54 Scott winning. My thinking is on a tighter table the break isn't going to be so automatic and less balls will find their way home in general, more balls on the table the more potential problems. When the safety battles or pushes came into play Scott won more of those games, at least after 2 days.

Soooo I feel like more games where both players will shoot will happen on a tighter table and if thats the case Scott can't lose by 46 games. Scott out kicks, out safes, out banks, and out jumps SVB, at least he did this weekend. The difference he lost by is all in the break and run column!

I remember reading in a number of different descriptions on the stats where scott missed kicks completely and gave Shane BIH. He also missed quite a few banks. By looking at the stats - balls made on the break was almost dead even when you compare the amount of breaks and balls made for each player. Scott maybe played better safes but he got outplayed in every other aspect. imo. The biggest difference to me was Shane made Scott pay for his mistakes.

BVal

 

[Big Perm]

I didnt check Day 3 analysis yet but here's something to think about. Take away SVB's 46 break and runs after 2 days and Scott's 9 Break and Runs and you have the games where they had to play some pool with each other to win.
!

Mikey,

If Scott only had 9 break and runs out of (guessing) 60 or so breaks on a barbox, he had to be way off of his game or getting horrible rolls....give a solid B player 60 chances on a barbox with buckets, and they should run 9 racks....

I would think Shane would have still have a slight advantage on a 9 footer with tight pockets...

 

[JJsooted]

Standard league cut: 4 3/4 in
Pro cut: 4 1/2 in

Diamond does alter it's standard if someone special ordered for 5 inch pocket, but one that Shane and Scott played on wasn't it!

S.

Hey Sunny, great seeing you and Mark again. To be honest, I didnt have a tape measure with me, but guessed at 5in not knowing the league cuts were 4 3/4. When I pushed two balls between into the pocket opening, they easily passed without touching the face of the pocket. Just seemed huge compared to what we played on in Reno, which were 4 1/2. Alot of these estimates on what Scott would have done, could have done, whatever, are things he had chances to do over and over in this match and failed to do so. He let everyone there know several times that he has "The best 9 ball break on earth" and told Shane on Thursday night, "there is no way you can beat me" and "you will never beat me playing 9ball on the barbox". Heres a little tip that we have all heard before, LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE. He got a determined, focused, and angry Shane for 3 days and Scotts stats dont lie. He got owned, period.

 

[houmatroy]

I would think Shane would have still have a slight advantage on a 9 footer with tight pockets...

Shane would have more than a slight advantage if they played on a 9 footer...Scott is known to be a barbox specialist..that's why he played him on the lil track...would think shane would have to give scott a lil sumthin in rotation on the big track.

 

[mikeyfrost]

Oh yeah SVB's game is way too much for Scott on the big slate that's for sure. Scott also claimed SVB did some ball tapping which is why his 8 ball on the wing went every time. If you noticed on Day 1 SVB had the 5 on that wing and it worked but not to his liking. He tried the 6 twice and missed it both times, but once he put the 8 on the wing it went almost every single time for 2 days. SVB said all the balls were not exactly the same size which is why he racked the way he did.

He played super by the way. It was very even if you take away all the break and runs, Scott couldnt get out was the problem. I bet SVB the whole way through and won some change but I think him and Scott will be playing again. One loss wont stop him.

 

[TannerPruess]

Oh yeah SVB's game is way too much for Scott on the big slate that's for sure. Scott also claimed SVB did some ball tapping which is why his 8 ball on the wing went every time. If you noticed on Day 1 SVB had the 5 on that wing and it worked but not to his liking. He tried the 6 twice and missed it both times, but once he put the 8 on the wing it went almost every single time for 2 days. SVB said all the balls were not exactly the same size which is why he racked the way he did.

He played super by the way. It was very even if you take away all the break and runs, Scott couldnt get out was the problem. I bet SVB the whole way through and won some change but I think him and Scott will be playing again. One loss wont stop him.

Scott was the one tapping balls at the beginning of day 1 and 2. He switched out the spot twice.

 

[jtrombetta]

You can make a million excuses in life for everything. It is what it is!!! Lets bring up the lighting next perhaps!! LOL

 

[BVal]

You can make a million excuses in life for everything. It is what it is!!! Lets bring up the lighting next perhaps!! LOL

Does anyone know waht the Dew Point was on average throughout the weekend.

Thanks,

BVal

 

[mikeyfrost]

Scott was the one tapping balls at the beginning of day 1 and 2. He switched out the spot twice.

That's interesting, I didn't notice that...maybe too many drinks on Day 1? Did you enjoy the trip to Des Moines? I saw you there, I was gonna say whats up...maybe I did, who knows long weekend of barking, betting, and drinking.

 

[mikeyfrost]

Does anyone know waht the Dew Point was on average throughout the weekend.

Thanks,

BVal

LOL I guess you could hear him through the stream talking about how humid it was...that's too funny. Or maybe you're just saying it in jest and didnt even realize that came up too! Either way very funny.

 

[BVal]

LOL I guess you could hear him through the stream talking about how humid it was...that's too funny. Or maybe you're just saying it in jest and didnt even realize that came up too! Either way very funny.

I was actually just joking I had no idea it was brought up.

BVal

 

[FLICKit]

I didnt check Day 3 analysis yet but here's something to think about. Take away SVB's 46 break and runs after 2 days and Scott's 9 Break and Runs and you have the games where they had to play some pool with each other to win. That score after two days is 55-54 Scott winning. My thinking is on a tighter table the break isn't going to be so automatic and less balls will find their way home in general, more balls on the table the more potential problems. When the safety battles or pushes came into play Scott won more of those games, at least after 2 days.

Soooo I feel like more games where both players will shoot will happen on a tighter table and if thats the case Scott can't lose by 46 games. Scott out kicks, out safes, out banks, and out jumps SVB, at least he did this weekend. The difference he lost by is all in the break and run column!

Here's some interesting info...

On Day 1, Scott's outperformed Shane with defensive effectiveness. But on Day 2 and Day 3, surprisingly Shane outperformed Scott with defensive effectiveness by an even wider margin.

Visually, Scott showed more creativity, and impressiveness with his defensive play.

Scott's breaking % showed 67% on day 1, 73% on day 2, & a whopping 93% on day 3 for a total of 79%.

Shane's breaking % showed 85%, 86%, 88%, and a cumulative 86%.

I still don't know how Shane can play 9 ball without having an 8 ball on the table.

 

[ykndoit]

I still don't know how Shane can play 9 ball without having an 8 ball on the table.

The 8 ball is on there BEFORE the break, just not AFTER the break!

He always placed it as the wing ball and made it every time he broke on sunday except maybe once.

 

[mongoose-]

Bob I would think an APA wizard as yourself would be use to big crap bar box pockets.

 

[Fatboy]

Shane would have more than a slight advantage if they played on a 9 footer...Scott is known to be a barbox specialist..that's why he played him on the lil track...would think shane would have to give scott a lil sumthin in rotation on the big track.

your 100% correct, Shane shoots straighter than Scott, However Scott is a much more seasoned player and more knowlegable. Scott butchers SVB playing one hole,


The barbox is called the "equalizer" because it favors the weaker player comming down from a 9' box. I wouldnt say Scott is weaker, not at all, shane just shoots straighter, and broke better this weekend.


Shane had way the best of it with rolls, and his break was so strong he had almost a 50% B-N-R rate, nobody can fade that. Scott is capable of beating SVB on a barbox I watched him do that last time they played.


Shane just had the best of it this time, Scott will play him in AZ, He asked him to play there. They will play again for sure, when or where is anyones guess, but its a legit game and will be played again. It really isnt as one sided as it looked this weekend, SVB played the best I seen him play in 18 months too.

 

[Thecoats]

Does anyone know waht the Dew Point was on average throughout the weekend.

Thanks,

BVal

I was there Saturday night and based on my calculations using my handheld barometer, pocket slide rule, and a triple sweet Fu Xiaoyou signature abacus made by Shanxi Shengtian Industries, the relative humidity ranged between 62.55823 and 66.778644 percent.

All that being said, Shane waxed Scott on Saturday. Scott did get hooked quite a bit on the break but he also was not parking whitey in the center with the same consistency as Shane.

It was a great time and Big Dog's is a really nice room, I recommend it to anyone looking for a nice weekend action get away.

What was more impressive to me was how Shane gave a fairly good player from Topeka the 6, 8, last four, and the break in a race to 11 and out ran the nuts by running almost every rack that Kent did not make a ball on the break. Shane wins 11-7 or 8 in what was a very impressive display of big table 9 ball mastery.

-don