Taiwan TOI

ENGLISH! said:
You coyly do it 'all of the time'.

Us (or I) that 'know'

VS.

Them that don't 'know'.
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Nonsense, as usual. I've never even hinted at such a thing - I oppose ignorance, not people. Maybe that's why you feel opposed.

pj
chgo
 
no one can force another human to be truly willing, it must come from within

There is no real "us vs them," however to learn new knowledge one must be WILLING to believe. When there's an absence of willingness it leads to a lifetime of frustration that quickly turns to envy of those that were willing to develop the process of believing.

For example, if I come to a new city and my car starts running poorly I'll ask a new friend for a recommendation. He may say "ole Frank is a great mechanic, he'll do a good job at a reasonable price". If I'm willing to believe my new friend I will take action.

When I take my car to "ole Frank" and he does indeed do a good job at a reasonable price I will continue to take my car to him and also refer "ole Frank" to other people in need of getting "a good job none at a reasonable price".

When someone makes the decision to trust "ole Frank" (TOI) they will be in for an incredible journey and I say this from my own personal experience. I ask you to believe that "ole Frank" is a good mechanic for your game.

If you choose not to believe me, that's fine, take your car to "ole Bill," or "ole Pete," or "ole Whomever". This will be your decision, no one can force another human to be truly willing, it must come from within their own mind. 'The Game is the Teacher'

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ENGLISH! said:
Hi Coilin,

While I can agree, I'll just say that there are times (rare) when certain shots come up that what Lamas said is applicable & nearly the only way to get the job done, like when a ball is blocking the part of the pocket that one would use to cheat the pocket. I've seen it much in just the short time that I have recently been playing a bit of one pocket.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
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I concur.
We/I shoot on tables with < 4.00" pockets taking away part of the pocket that cheating the pocket could be used on >4.50" pockets.
Thanks.

Be well.
 
Do we have a clear video of a player floating the cb ?
 
you must apply this technique and practice it many times

LAMas said:
I concur.
We/I shoot on tables with < 4.00" pockets taking away part of the pocket that cheating the pocket could be used on >4.50" pockets.
Thanks.

Be well.
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Cheating the pocket using spin is challenging because the cue ball will be veering and curving, for me it's easiest to simply favor one side of the cue ball and veer it slightly.

This isn't TOI, however, it's using the same principle that the TOI Training programs into your subconscious (through repetition). Of course you must apply this technique and practice it many times to make it an effective habit.

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cookie man said:
Do we have a clear video of a player floating the cb ?
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Why don't you watch the 9-ball video that I put in my post when I created this thread. Some people will say the guy is using TOI and others will say he is using center ball. You watch what he does and call it what you want...the effect is the same. He is moving the cue ball around the table with "no spin".
 
watch closely and you'll see the effect after contact.

cookie man said:
Do we have a clear video of a player floating the cb ?
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You can see me do it in this match, watch closely and you'll see the effect after contact. For an entire match check out Accu-stats for my match with Steve Mizerak in Reno (1992) - this was my first Pro tournament in the United States, for years I had only been playing high dollar gambling matches.

CLICK HERE FOR FREE VIDEO (thanks to Accu-Stats video productions)
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
Nonsense, as usual. I've never even hinted at such a thing - I oppose ignorance, not people. Maybe that's why you feel opposed.

pj
chgo
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Typically insulting response.

Sort of like I've seen portrayed in movies or shows of an intervention.
 
LAMas said:
I concur.
We/I shoot on tables with < 4.00" pockets taking away part of the pocket that cheating the pocket could be used on >4.50" pockets.
Thanks.

Be well.
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Yes. I sometimes shoot on Diamond Tables that I'd say are a 'touch' under 4" so, one can imagine when part of that pocket is partially blocked by a ball too...as you know.

Best,
Rick
 
CJ Wiley said:
You can see me do it in this match, watch closely and you'll see the effect after contact. For an entire match check out Accu-stats for my match with Steve Mizerak in Reno (1992) - this was my first Pro tournament in the United States, for years I had only been playing high dollar gambling matches.

CLICK HERE FOR FREE VIDEO (thanks to Accu-Stats video productions)
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After watching that, I think I finally understand what TOI is all about and I will chose not to use it. It doesn't fit my playing style or my speed. I just don't care for it.

Now here's where it bugs me, there are a number of AzB members saying that TOI is the supreme playing style and it's the easiest of all once it's mastered... Now that is just bologna. I think one of your TOI followers said it well, "Different strokes for different folks."

I play well using all English and stunning the ball when I need to. Your video shows TOI, in my opinion, but the OP's Taiwanese video does not.

I bid you adieu.

But before I go, I'm curious, where does 'ENGLISH!' play at in New Orleans? I'd like to see this TOI stuff first hand.
 
The main point in all these descriptions is to use a "hair/touch" to the inside

HawaiianEye said:
Why don't you watch the 9-ball video that I put in my post when I created this thread. Some people will say the guy is using TOI and others will say he is using center ball. You watch what he does and call it what you want...the effect is the same. He is moving the cue ball around the table with "no spin".
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When I ask Efren what his "secret was" he simply said "no spin," (after contact) - Mike Lebron said that Efren used a "touch" of inside, which is what I was doing. "Omaha John" said you should imagine "floating the cue ball".

The main point in all these descriptions is to use a "hair/touch" to the inside of the cue ball to counter the after-contact-spin. This allows you to experience an entirely new dimension in the game because you'll be about to "stun" the cue ball and perform several shots that will leave your opponents also "stunned".

Play Well, however you decide to play. :) 'The Game is Our Teacher'
 
DAVE_M said:
After watching that, I think I finally understand what TOI is all about and I will chose not to use it. It doesn't fit my playing style or my speed. I just don't care for it.

Now here's where it bugs me, there are a number of AzB members saying that TOI is the supreme playing style and it's the easiest of all once it's mastered... Now that is just bologna. I think one of your TOI followers said it well, "Different strokes for different folks."

I play well using all English and stunning the ball when I need to. Your video shows TOI, in my opinion, but the OP's Taiwanese video does not.

I bid you adieu.

But before I go, I'm curious, where does 'ENGLISH!' play at in New Orleans? I'd like to see this TOI stuff first hand.
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I'm 61 with a bad back & bad vision & just learned that FOR POOL I'm really left eyed 'dominant'.

So...I'm not as good as I once was but...I'm as good once as I ever was.

If you want to see TOI first hand I'd suggest that you spend 3 hours with it yourself. I'd bet you could do better with it than I can.
 
Say a pocket opening is 5 inches. The opening is measured between the rail corners.

Say the OB is 2.50 inches in diameter.

When a OB goes through the pocket opening, there is 2.50 inches of area unused by the OB. The OB uses 2.5 inches.

If the OB goes in on the center pocket line, then this 2.5 inches of unused area is divided equally on both side of the OB as it goes through the opening. Meaning there is 1.75 inches on each side of the OB as it goes through the pocket opening.

When one side of the pocket is favored over another, this changes how much unused pocket opening area is on each side of th OB as it goes through the pocket opening.

The unfavored side increases, the favored side decreases.

This comes into consideration with margin of error. When favoring one side of the pocket, say the right, then if you hit the OB just off a little that causes it to go more right than you wanted, you will miss.

Whereas when going for center pocket, then you can be off a little to the right and the OB will go in.

Of course this all depends on the OB entry line into the pocket and how far off from center pocket line it is. The greater the angle between to two, the small the pocket opening appears and therefore a small margin of error on the OB.

Meaning you have to dead on balls accurate for some shots.........it's a industry term.

So might as well be dead on balls accurate for all shots. It's a good style of play in the long run.

Whenever I read someone quoting someone saying this or that, I'm reminded of something my 4th grade teacher did. One day she told a student in the front seat of a row something. He was to turn around and tell the student behind himwhat they were told. The rule was no repeating. You could only tell the student behind you one time.

The last student that was told the statement was to repeat it out loud to the class. What the last student repeated was no where near what the original statement was.
 
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We all appreciate your input and thanks for playing along,

DAVE_M said:
After watching that, I think I finally understand what TOI is all about and I will chose not to use it. It doesn't fit my playing style or my speed. I just don't care for it.

Now here's where it bugs me, there are a number of AzB members saying that TOI is the supreme playing style and it's the easiest of all once it's mastered... Now that is just bologna. I think one of your TOI followers said it well, "Different strokes for different folks."

I play well using all English and stunning the ball when I need to. Your video shows TOI, in my opinion, but the OP's Taiwanese video does not.

I bid you adieu.

But before I go, I'm curious, where does 'ENGLISH!' play at in New Orleans? I'd like to see this TOI stuff first hand.
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We all appreciate your input and thanks for playing along, you will do fine without the TOI in your life.

Good luck in all your endeavors and expectations.

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ENGLISH! said:
I know you might have been talking about a table situation, or...

maybe not.

And.... English is not your 1st. language but...

What you say here is rather profound & so true...

At least it is to me.

The thing is...some of us recognise it while others just can't seem to see it.

It's like open minds & closed minds.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
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Thanks Rick,

Some like words, some like pictures etc, different explanations hit different targets.
Or - "every road leads to Rom":).

Thanks, I know, busting my balls up to keep up with you guys, right know we can call it "Swenglish" :p. Training... :-).

Take care

Chrippa
 
HawaiianEye said:
Why don't you watch the 9-ball video that I put in my post when I created this thread. Some people will say the guy is using TOI and others will say he is using center ball. You watch what he does and call it what you want...the effect is the same. He is moving the cue ball around the table with "no spin".
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I did but didnt come up with anything convincing.
 
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