Just wondering what our resident experts predict!
TAR 28: Who Wins? Corey or John???
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It depends on Corey and how much effort he puts into practicing for it and how in stroke he is. No offense to John but if Corey actually showed up 100% focused and ready to play with a massive amount of practice put into it he has too much for John. It also depends how goofy Corey gets on the break, he has often times got stubborn trying to mess around with soft breaks when they are not working and breaks himself right out of a tournament.
John I expect very likely might come into this match alot more practiced and focused though, Corey seems 3/4 retired and even when he does show up for an event he plays like a part time player with loads of natural talent but not alot of practice or steady competition. John when he does play these things seems to always put the effort in to show up with his A game, he has matches like the one vs Gentile leading up to this TAR and that type of stuff can get John alot more focused and ready then Corey. If a top notch John shows up and Corey is not ready for this thing he could be in deep trouble. I think John will be a very strong 8-ball player on this table and if he is up 1-0 going into the 1-pocket he is a strong threat to win the weekend on Saturday night.
At one time in the history of this sport Corey Deuel was IMO supposed to become the most dominant American pool player, at a level that rivals Archer and Strickland at their best. He was supposed to be the guy who Ralf, Hohmnann, Yang, and all those other guys really did not want to play. But Corey did not put the effort in to the game to become that. If Corey had put the same focus into pool that SVB did he would be the #1 player in the world atm IMO, even Dennis would be ducking him.
John I expect very likely might come into this match alot more practiced and focused though, Corey seems 3/4 retired and even when he does show up for an event he plays like a part time player with loads of natural talent but not alot of practice or steady competition. John when he does play these things seems to always put the effort in to show up with his A game, he has matches like the one vs Gentile leading up to this TAR and that type of stuff can get John alot more focused and ready then Corey. If a top notch John shows up and Corey is not ready for this thing he could be in deep trouble. I think John will be a very strong 8-ball player on this table and if he is up 1-0 going into the 1-pocket he is a strong threat to win the weekend on Saturday night.
At one time in the history of this sport Corey Deuel was IMO supposed to become the most dominant American pool player, at a level that rivals Archer and Strickland at their best. He was supposed to be the guy who Ralf, Hohmnann, Yang, and all those other guys really did not want to play. But Corey did not put the effort in to the game to become that. If Corey had put the same focus into pool that SVB did he would be the #1 player in the world atm IMO, even Dennis would be ducking him.
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This one's tough. I haven't seen either of these guys play too much lately.
I think Corey has more talent, and I think John is more consistent.
I'd like to say John, but I think it's been a long time since Corey won anything big, so he'll be looking to show people that he's still here.
It really depends on which Corey shows up- the fiery-eyed young demon, or the jaded "don't give a shit" player.
. <<< that's a grain of salt to take this with. :thumbup:
I think Corey has more talent, and I think John is more consistent.
I'd like to say John, but I think it's been a long time since Corey won anything big, so he'll be looking to show people that he's still here.
It really depends on which Corey shows up- the fiery-eyed young demon, or the jaded "don't give a shit" player.
. <<< that's a grain of salt to take this with. :thumbup:
Great analysis, I agree completely. Regarding Corey's apparent lack of passion, I kind of get it. If he was the dominant player he could/should have been, he'd be making...what? An extra eight grand a year?
Chase tail or practice pool? Hmmm.
Not unless he is making his money somewhere other then pool. He is usually about 100,000 short in winnings from the 1st place guy and likely misses out on alot of sponsership that would get him to those events and pay for his food and lodging if he were the actual player he could have become.
I don't want to understate John's ability, but I have the feeling that you are spot on about Corey. I've seen him pull some of the craftiest moves and best shot making of anyone out there. In fact, I recall his match with Scmidt in the one hole two derby's or so ago. Corey kept making these wicked carom shots dead into his hole. Those shots won him the match, imo. As a note, that was perhaps the fastest one pocket match I've ever seen. There were at least four 8 & out's in the race to 5. Hell, maybe 8 and out in all 5 games.
One thing is for sure, this is going to be a good match and it will be nice to see some different faces in there as well.
I know, I was exaggerating by understatement. My point is, Corey is smart, and he didn't want to become Earl. (best player ever, will likely die broke)
Pool is hard. You have to fill your life with pool to play your best, and maybe he didn't feel like giving his life to a game that would pay him as much as being a Taco Bell manager.
I think it's agreed across the board that if Corey shows up to play, this is a done deal. I think for one great performance to dedicate to BigNasty would be very cool on Corey's part, and I really hope he does! When Corey plays well he is one of my favorite players to watch by far!!!
My take
Ive talked to john,he says coreys his pal and plays awesome.
John says if he wins people will just say well coreys been golfing everyday .
John says hes played nothing but golf the last 40 days himself and will have to practice hard as he has only played a handful of tourneys last couple years .
John thinks it will be super tough match.
He also said hes never played take what you make 8ball so he feels a little unsure on that set.
The other games he said he feels he can play right and defend himself.
John said it seems like nobody ever thinks i can win at anything but 14.1 so i guess im the underdog by opinion but hopefully things go my way.
He said he is thrilled and flattered tar asked him to play and is looking forward to playing.
Now john get off golf course and streetbike and start practicing so corey dont torture you.
Ive talked to john,he says coreys his pal and plays awesome.
John says if he wins people will just say well coreys been golfing everyday .
John says hes played nothing but golf the last 40 days himself and will have to practice hard as he has only played a handful of tourneys last couple years .
John thinks it will be super tough match.
He also said hes never played take what you make 8ball so he feels a little unsure on that set.
The other games he said he feels he can play right and defend himself.
John said it seems like nobody ever thinks i can win at anything but 14.1 so i guess im the underdog by opinion but hopefully things go my way.
He said he is thrilled and flattered tar asked him to play and is looking forward to playing.
Now john get off golf course and streetbike and start practicing so corey dont torture you.
I got a lady friend who thinks Corey is gonna win. I am going to bet a schlunky on John and pray he don't want jelly.
Take what you make?
Where the heck has anyone said that it is going to be anything but open off the break?
That is a truly terrible idea if this is take what you make. All that does is add a huge factor of luck into the game of 8-ball. Take what you make is a bar rule, it has no place in pro level 8-ball.
JCIN said in another thread that 8 ball was not open after the break and that it would be take whatever you make.
He said that Cory suggested this because an open table is too easy for the pros.
I am paraphrasing, but I believe this is an accurate representation.
That freaking sucks. It is also a huge benefit to Corey.
I just lost a great deal of my interest in the 8-ball, take what you make adds a ton of luck into the game, it actually discourages the power break and will play into Corey's more control orientated breaking style.
First time we ever see 8-ball on the tight TAR table and they screw with the rules to that extent instead of simply playing BCAPL... WTF... Finally the potential of 8-ball could have been shown as a proper pro game on a tight 9-foot and they go and screw with the rules... I was so bloody excited about that one particular night.
Have you ever actually seen pros play open after the break on a 9 foot table? I have. Its a break contest. Worse than 9 ball. The only thing that stops them is if a random cluster pops up in a bad place. Corey wanted to play take what you make in order to slow down the run out fest and I agreed.
I appreciate your passion but it gets real old hearing about how your way is the only way when it comes to pool. We'll try it this way this time and if it sucks we'll do it different next time.
Random clusters, a stripe on the rail that blocks a corner and a solid between that corner and the side that now must be made with short-side shape, the lack of simple safties the deeper you run into the rack unlike the way easier ducking options of at least distance in a rotation game. Those are what make 8-ball really tough IF you are playing on the right equipment, and you guys have a table that is almost perfect.
I watched a heap of 8-ball on the 9-foots from the IPT, almost everything I could get my hands on. The IPT had one thing that made their conditions tough and that was the slow cloth, but they used far larger pockets then the TAR table. Despite the larger pockets in the IPT the game was tough. There is a match between Mika and Bustamante on youtube from the IPT and Busta got into alot of tough spots and for a guy who is IMO one of the elites on the planet, probably about at his peak playing ability at that time, he made the game look tough.
You might be right, Corey and John might come out and obliterate that TAR table in 8-ball. If so I will certainly eat crow on AZB about it, I will admit I was wrong, but I don't think it is going to be a cakewalk. On wide open tables I think those guys are gonna get out, but with all 15 on the table clusters happen in alot of racks, you are forced short side on some shots, and anything tricky that you have to shoot, which 8-ball has a tendancy to create is going to be REAL tough on that TAR table.
Remeber how many fairly open shots people have been ducking on in rotation pool instead of taking them on in all these TAR matches. In 8-ball that is simply not an option to the same extent, these guys are going to get forced to shoot at them.
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IMO John has a slight edge in the one pocket and the other two games are probably about even. John can play and I think he's gonna surprise all the people saying "if Corey shows up it's a done deal" I honestly think John has the ability to sweep all three sets. It's gonna be a great match for sure and I can't wait to see it.