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It's not just the Break

Shane's break is awesome. But the break won't win the game unless you can finish the rack after the break.

And that is one thing he also does with awesome regularity.

I think it would be interesting to see a match where Shane only breaks the balls and someone else has to finish out the rack.

I would be willing to say not to many players (if any) would be able to average a run-out % that Shane has.

The man is a machine.

Don :)
 
Shane's break is great, but that's still only one aspect of his game. The WIN comes after the break, because he still has to get out for the win, and that's where Shane is such a great player, because he knows he don't get the WIN on the break, he gets it after he makes the 10 ball, so he has to out shoot his opponent between the break...and making the 10 ball for the WIN, but it seems that everyone is just focused on his break, and not seeing his whole game, which is what REALLY gets him the WIN;)

Glen

I think players have been putting more emphasis on practicing their break.

What I think they should be doing is studying Shane's break and then trying to practice that.
 
I think players have been putting more emphasis on practicing their break.

What I think they should be doing is studying Shane's break and then trying to practice that.

If Shane was to break for his opponent, would they still average the same high % of run outs after the break, the same as Shane does? Shane has been breaking the balls the way he does for several years now, what's stopped anyone from practicing the break the way Shane does? Cory Duel broke soft playing 9ball, everyone complained about his break, so they tried changing the rules, the break, and it didn't slow down Cory one bit. So, everyone agreed 10ball was the way to go, because of Cory's soft break, so...now what? When players started breaking the way Cory did, that changed their game so they could then play follow the leader. At what point in time are players going to start copying Shane's break, before....or after 10ball gets changed, because now 10ball is to easy for the PRO'S, because Shane's break is to hard to handle?

Glen
 
Yeah, Earl was better on that circus qualified fake 10ft, attempted converted snooker table, but you wouldn't see that happening again on a Diamond REAL 10ft'er. And for the record, Shane has WAXED Earl 2 times in a row on a Diamond 9ft'er;)

Glen

Earl's beaten him on a Diamond 10 footer, too. The argument you're making is as ridiculous as those shouting how SVB can only do this on 4.5 inch pockets. Christ, people, just appreciate great play when you see it.
 
its the rack as MUCH as it is the break, dont think SVB would get the same result if a neutral racker was involved. no knock on SVB he paid his dues figured out how to rack and hit them, its a 2 step process. not just the hit. i'm glad to see he has it working so well. I wonder how pool will respond? 12 balls? 11? Go Shane!!!:smile:
 
Shane's break is great, but that's still only one aspect of his game. The WIN comes after the break, because he still has to get out for the win, and that's where Shane is such a great player, because he knows he don't get the WIN on the break, he gets it after he makes the 10 ball, so he has to out shoot his opponent between the break...and making the 10 ball for the WIN, but it seems that everyone is just focused on his break, and not seeing his whole game, which is what REALLY gets him the WIN;)

Glen

Certainly, your post is well considered, but I wouldn't call Shane better at running the table than the other superstar run-out players like Dennis Orcullo, Darren Appleton, JL Chang, Ralf Souquet, Ko Pin Yi, Thorsten Hohmann, Johnny Archer, Wu Chia Ching, Niels Feijen or Alex Pagulayan. Of course, Shane is definitely right there with the rest of them once he has control of a runnable layout.

The truth is, however, that Shane leaves, on average, easier run outs than the rest of these guys because of how well he is breaking right now. When he makes a ball on the break, Shane seemingly always has an easy one ball in the top left (from the breaker's vantage point) corner and a good spread of the balls. Yes, Shane seems to make a ball on the break more often than the rest, but what makes his break the best is that he controls both the cue ball and the one ball with remarkable ease, leaving favorable layouts.

That's why I disagree with you that Shane has to outplay his opponents after the break. In fact, if he plays them even after the break, he rates to win, and that's why his action is very hard to fade right now.

Enjoy the show. What we have here is a master at the height of his powers.

.... geez, the Ultimate 10-ball and the US Open 10-ball events should be fun.
 
Why cant people just say "Damn. Shane is playing great."

The endless qualifying of things like "Well if they were on four inch pockets" or "Sure he can play with a lead." never ever makes sense to me. I guess its human nature.

Shane has had his nuts shot in on TAR. He didnt qualify it. He just said "I played bad. I'll be back" Why not just give the guy the respect he deserves when he is absolutely laying the wood to someone who was a favorite before this match started ?.

Shane is playing great, and Dennis is playing bad and breaking like a mutt.

This is honestly the first time I have ever seen Dennis shoot this bad, and it is not only the break, he is flat out blowing very standard runouts, showing poor shot selection, missing very makable banks, and giving Shane way too many free racks that Dennis was supposed to win.

Shane "can" shoot bad at times when people put pressure on him, but he can also turn into a absolute shark like beast when his opponent shows weakness. Dennis missed too many shots early, blew too many easy outs, and broke too many dry breaks in the beginning and has shown A LOT of weakness for two entire days, Shane caught the scent of blood, and he went into full out predator mode and is now chewing Dennis up. He has no fear of Dennis at all in this match after that first day, Dennis shot fairly donkey-like in day 2 as well, and Shane has a stupid high gear that he hits when he is not pressured up and can simply go into pure kill mode, and now he is simply steam rolling Dennis.

Pocket size is irrelevant in this match IMO, and I might be the most vocal small pocket size advocate on AZB. Shane and Dennis are the reason this match is turning out the way it is. On a 4.5 inch pockets diamond a guy like Dennis should be putting out packages every time Shane misses, he should be able to have a successful break with 4.5 inch pockets and getting out for the supposed best money player on the planet should be the fairly regular occurance, he is not doing it though. This is a standard Diamond table, Dennis has dominated people on tables exactly the same as this one in the past, he practices on tables exactly like this one, but he is playing just horrible pool in this match despite that and Shane is completely torturing him for every mistake he makes.

Shane >>>>>>>> Dennis this weekend in every way, he is breaking AND shooting great and Dennis is shooting plain bad.
 
Yeah, Earl was better on that circus qualified fake 10ft, attempted converted snooker table, but you wouldn't see that happening again on a Diamond REAL 10ft'er. And for the record, Shane has WAXED Earl 2 times in a row on a Diamond 9ft'er;)

Glen

Better would is a understatement it was complete domination similar to what we are seeing in this match one guy was in his domain and one guy was not its irrelevant what Shane did on the 9 footer after Earl knew what that outcome would be just like he knew what the outcome was going to be on the 10 footer that's the point
I'm sure Dennis knows he ran into a buzz saw and he was ill prepared to deal with it
I however believe he will want to see this movie again if it happens I will be more than happy to take 15 games on the wire:thumbup:


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Earl's beaten him on a Diamond 10 footer, too. The argument you're making is as ridiculous as those shouting how SVB can only do this on 4.5 inch pockets. Christ, people, just appreciate great play when you see it.

are you talking about the race to 15 on the diamond 10ft in tunica last year, where earl won 15-14...wow, that's a real beating, right after in which earl lost to a 17 year old kid 15-5...that's a beating.
 
Certainly, your post is well considered, but I wouldn't call Shane better at running the table than the other superstar run-out players like Dennis Orcullo, Darren Appleton, JL Chang, Ralf Souquet, Ko Pin Yi, Thorsten Hohmann, Johnny Archer, Wu Chia Ching, Niels Feijen or Alex Pagulayan. Of course, Shane is definitely right there with the rest of them once he has control of a runnable layout.

The truth is, however, that Shane leaves, on average, easier run outs than the rest of these guys because of how well he is breaking right now. When he makes a ball on the break, Shane seemingly always has an easy one ball in the top left (from the breaker's vantage point) corner and a good spread of the balls. Yes, Shane seems to make a ball on the break more often than the rest, but what makes his break the best is that he controls both the cue ball and the one ball with remarkable ease, leaving favorable layouts.

That's why I disagree with you that Shane has to outplay his opponents after the break. In fact, if he plays them even after the break, he rates to win, and that's why his action is very hard to fade right now.

Enjoy the show. What we have here is a master at the height of his powers.

.... geez, the Ultimate 10-ball and the US Open 10-ball events should be fun.
He is playing 6 ball half the time, isn't he?
 
Maybe they should of raced to 500 that way dennis could of got in stroke

I remember years back in boxing, the king of the 4 rounders by the name of Eric Butterbean took on all comers, world champions as well. He was 6' and weighed about 320lbs, but for 4 rounds he could throw haymakers, knocked out most everyone he fought. When he started going a few more rounds longer, he started losing. But, he was the 4 round king.

Shane is for sure, the race to 100 10ball king of the world, no matter who's in the ring with him. When the race is going way past a race to 25...that's called the championship rounds, because it's going to be the champion hitting the 100 mark first:grin:
 
I remember years back in boxing, the king of the 4 rounders by the name of Eric Butterbean took on all comers, world champions as well. He was 6' and weighed about 320lbs, but for 4 rounds he could throw haymakers, knocked out most everyone he fought. When he started going a few more rounds longer, he started losing. But, he was the 4 round king.

Your analogy doesn't work for a variety of reasons, but which world champions did Butterbean "take on"? The only one I recall was a 52 year old Larry Holmes (Holmes beat him by decision).

It wasn't going longer distances that made Butterbean lose fights; it was just fighting better fighters. His best win, by some distance, is Peter McNeeley. That says a lot.
 
Your analogy doesn't work for a variety of reasons, but which world champions did Butterbean "take on"? The only one I recall was a 52 year old Larry Holmes (Holmes beat him by decision).

It wasn't going longer distances that made Butterbean lose fights; it was just fighting better fighters. His best win, by some distance, is Peter McNeeley. That says a lot.

The point was that when Shane agreed to play races to 25, 2 out of 3 for the win, Shane lost to both opponents, but if you take a look at the score for example between Shane and Archer, the total games played was tied at 57 each, yet there was a winner. Had Shane insisted they play a race to 100, I have no doubt Shane would have beat Archer and Bust both in the end.

Glen
 
TAR 35, Day 2 Statistics

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Shot-by-Shot Match Statistics
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TAR 35: SVB vs Dennis Orcullo

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Shane Van Boening Dennis Orcullo

According to the Pool-Trax Shot-by-Shot Statistics, Dennis is still losing the majority of his own racks (those which he breaks) while only winning 40.7% on Saturday - this won't earn him a win against SVB.

* Note, for performance analysis, days 1, 2 & 3 are being recorded as separate "matches". The graphic here showing Shane as the "Winner" does NOT represent a win for SVB at this point. TAR 35 is a single race to 100 and will be completed today; the current score is 70-46.
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