TAR NEW RELEASE: SVB Instructional Series: Running Out with Free Bonus Interview
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OK cheers... thanks for the freebie. I woulda paid for an hour of mental game stuff, but I'm not complaining. Just ended up renaming the 2nd video, seems like everything plays fine.
These videos are good but I feel like there must be a ton more knowledge locked in shane's head...
think the series will ever extend beyond these 4?
I was wondering the same thing!
Really liked the video quality. But I felt the entire video for running out was very basic and did not provide much insight into Shane's game. No disrespect to Jennifer who was trying her best, but I think it would have been better to have someone who would challenge Shane with tough and varied 8 ball and 10 ball setups instead of just letting him break and giving him ball in hand every rack. Also the initial safety play would have been great instead of getting ball in hand every rack.
I understand that you guys have to price it at a certain price due to the effort that went into production and post production, but I felt you got bare minimum information out as far as content goes.
The interview saves the day though. It has a lot of great information on how to deal with pressure and prepare yourself for a match.
I understand that you guys have to price it at a certain price due to the effort that went into production and post production, but I felt you got bare minimum information out as far as content goes.
The interview saves the day though. It has a lot of great information on how to deal with pressure and prepare yourself for a match.
I thik the issue is that Shane is a better player than teacher. Even with the position and layouts he used, it was geared towards his game, not how another player would be playing. Basically if you don't have at least a B+ player stoke, spin and shot making, the video was not for you.
Just finished these. Think pfanatic has some good points.
For the price it's not bad but it's very light on info.
Seems like Shane's got trouble expressing himself and Jennifer sorta has to put words in his mouth
to explain the concepts in a way people will understand. He definitely won't talk you to death,
he might break an 8b rack and say "I just need to get good on this ball and the rest is easy."
without further elaboring what getting good on that ball means, why it's important, why he chose
that group, etc. She has to really drag explanations out of him and it's almost awkward.
I did feel like I got the concepts, just that there wasn't anything new.
Still, the production quality is really high, if you can overlook the occasional typo or mic scrape,
and the price is very reasonable.
I do think the breaking and aiming video gave a lot more bang for the buck.
Like even though I felt similarly frustrated that shane couldn't clearly explain exactly how he
hits the 10 ball break... he gave lots of valuable info about regular rack vs. magic rack,
why he prefers cut breaking in 9b, how to adjust when the target balls don't go, and so on.
I hope someday there are more videos, or maybe even new versions of these where Shane maybe
figures out ahead of time how to convey what he does and why he does it.
If you could get more meat on the bone, combined with the teaching ability of guys like pat fleming or grady,
I'd pay triple the price.
For the price it's not bad but it's very light on info.
Seems like Shane's got trouble expressing himself and Jennifer sorta has to put words in his mouth
to explain the concepts in a way people will understand. He definitely won't talk you to death,
he might break an 8b rack and say "I just need to get good on this ball and the rest is easy."
without further elaboring what getting good on that ball means, why it's important, why he chose
that group, etc. She has to really drag explanations out of him and it's almost awkward.
I did feel like I got the concepts, just that there wasn't anything new.
Still, the production quality is really high, if you can overlook the occasional typo or mic scrape,
and the price is very reasonable.
I do think the breaking and aiming video gave a lot more bang for the buck.
Like even though I felt similarly frustrated that shane couldn't clearly explain exactly how he
hits the 10 ball break... he gave lots of valuable info about regular rack vs. magic rack,
why he prefers cut breaking in 9b, how to adjust when the target balls don't go, and so on.
I hope someday there are more videos, or maybe even new versions of these where Shane maybe
figures out ahead of time how to convey what he does and why he does it.
If you could get more meat on the bone, combined with the teaching ability of guys like pat fleming or grady,
I'd pay triple the price.
Doesn't matter what level player you are. My point was there had to be someone to challenge him and give him tough layouts and ask the right questions to elicit as much "strategic" information as possible. This wasn't a free video after all. What we go instead was bare minimum information which a lot of players will already be aware of.
I was thinking the same thing. It would have been great if a regular Joe would have break the racks for him and see how he would get out. He has too strong of a break and most of the time is easy for him to run out after his break. This VOD could still be made :grin:
First I want to say I agree with almost all the critiques regarding getting more detailed info in certain situations. I would like to talk a little about why things ended up the way they did.
Shane is not a teacher. He is a world class pool player. He also is not the most talkative guy in the world. His answer to learning something in pool is not to figure out a system that he can then communicate easily to others it is to go play pool for another couple hundred hours until he figures out something that works for him then repeat that every time it comes up.
This is one of the reasons I have tried to make clear this series is not a traditional instructional. Its designed to be a look at how Shane does things. I think we did that pretty well. I firmly believe he does somethings with no idea how or why he does them. They work for him so he does it. If you or anyone else were in the studio and could ask questions of him as he played I am betting you wouldnt get a whole lot more out of him. I have seen it a hundred times. Someone asks him a detailed question about a situation and Shane will respond with something like "Just dont get on the rail" The guy is almost like the Yoda of pool instruction. Practice you will....
We brought Jennifer in to host because if we didn't the entire set would of consisted of:
You pay $15 and press play.
Cool intro plays
Fade in to close up shot of Shane looking into the camera.
Shane says "Practice"
Fade out roll credits.
Jennifer is honestly the only reason we ended up with anything that could be used at all. Otherwise it would of just been a silent video of Shane hitting ball after ball into pockets.
I think we will be doing more of these type videos with other players and maybe with Shane in the future. We are looking at more game specific material such as a one pocket set or a bar table 8 ball set. Everything is on the table. We thank everyone for their feedback and for their support in buying the product. It will help us do better work in the future.
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You can find a million videos or books out there that teach you what certain english does and other aspects of the game. I think that stuff should be a given when going into this intructional set. This is more like Shane's way of running out. Like the patterns he would shoot. His shot selection.
This is just his methods. A way to shoot the shots the way he would. Yet another view of how a professional plays and what they would do. The major difference this time is that it is the view of the best player in the world.
This is just his methods. A way to shoot the shots the way he would. Yet another view of how a professional plays and what they would do. The major difference this time is that it is the view of the best player in the world.
It's funny, I learned so much filming and editing this. His aiming system has helped me a great deal over what I was using in the past mostly because I line up straight now and don't pivot.
When we were filming, in between takes I remember Jenn, Justin and myself standing around with our jaws on the floor because we couldn't believe some of it. Like his aiming... Justin never got it the system. Then while filming, it clicked and he had to try. Same with Jenn. During the break video, when he was cut breaking 9ball and controlling the 1ball, we would tell us exactly what he was gonna do, then do it. It was just remarkable.
I have watched and re watched all of the footage over and over and I pick up new things that I kinda skipped over. If I didn't make the things, I'd be happy buying em for $15.
I can't wait to make more things with more players. It's amazing what they know.
If you could get Shane and Efren to go through a couple of their games of one pocket and explain why they chose certain to shoot certain shots as the game was going on I think you would have a great seller!
Thanks for all of these videos, it is great seeing what is going through a great pool mind.
Thanks for all of these videos, it is great seeing what is going through a great pool mind.
Wait til I make my "how to drink whiskey" videos...
I think we should collaborate! I think we can both offer some useful information.
You can always go to Vegas next weekend and we could do some research and development.
Shane doesn't know how much some random guy knows about pool, so why get into the deep metaphysics of why shots react as they do? Just tell him what he shouldn't do. If some random Joe Schmo asks me how to shoot something, I tell them how I'd shoot it. Just to watch them try and perform it and not even hit the cue ball where they should have, thus missing the shot and trying to blame me for telling them wrong. Sometimes it's just easier to tell people what no to do and let them figure it out from there. It will grant you a lot more knowledge in the end than just getting told how to do it.
It's like the phrase 'I've taught you everything you know, but I haven't taught you everything I know.'
I can see where people can feel unsatisfied with the amount of information provided by Shane. Like JCIN said, Shane isn't a teacher, and has a hard time verbalizing what he's doing. He can only tell you what's in his mind at the time, and the rest of the details are automatic for him.
With Shane, I think you really need to read between the lines and watch what he's doing very closely, as there is a LOT to learn from what he's actually doing that what he's saying.
It's been said before many times, but the best players don't always make the best teachers, because most of what they do is visual and subconsciously ingrained.
With Shane, I think you really need to read between the lines and watch what he's doing very closely, as there is a LOT to learn from what he's actually doing that what he's saying.
It's been said before many times, but the best players don't always make the best teachers, because most of what they do is visual and subconsciously ingrained.