TAR Podcast #14 with Shane Van Boening Now On YouTube

thanks for all you do JCIN i really appreciate it, keep up the good work i know it ain't easy sometimes :thumbup:
 
Apocalypse2012 said:
I love the king of the hill idea. I would really like to see a ring game with some of the top level pros.

ohhh and I really liked the idea of a 24 hour internet pool channel.
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^^^ This. Lots of this. :)

Also, this was my first time watching/listening to the entire podcast - kinda pisses me off I waited so long. I always meant to get around to it, but just always seemed to get distracted with something else. I'm gonna make it a point to go back and watch the old ones now. :)

Great work guys, lots of good info, and I like the interactivity between the hosts and the chat, so it's not solely just to two guys bs'ing back and forth.
 
TAR podcast #14

MoJoe,

I have no problem reading and trying to learn from your comments - because they were done in a polite and respectful way. I DO appreciate comments and criticism.

I also will admit that at times I get to rambling a little. That is not becasue I am senile - it is because I am trying to do a lot of things and often have several thoughts going on at once. I am really trying to improve the status of pool - and it is a tough gig - and I am running out of time.

I do not expect to please everyone. I take these Podcast pretty serious and will tell it exactly how I feel. That is my opinion. I expect others to have other opinions.

But to EvanLockart: You need to learn some polite way to make your point. And although you might think I am an old guy - I would like to see you half do of what I do every day.

I think your criticsm is just off base. Having a couple more chairs is not going to make or break the podcast. We provide our opinions of the latest news in the pool world.

I think we bring different viewpoints to be considered by the listeners. If you don't like that, I am sorry. I am not mad - but next time try to treat your 'elders' with a little more respect.

On a selfish sidenote, I think I have earned the right to go off once in awhile - and next time you have a little spare time, why not try to specnd some of it trying to improve the game we all love?

Respectfully,

Mark Griffin



MOJOE said:
I would not consider my comments to be critical, just stating my opinion which Mr. Griffin asks us to do.. If you've watched many of the podcasts, I've watched em' all.. Mark say's he appreciates our comments and criticism.

I am very appreciative of what he does for the game, I also like him on the podcasts and enjoy what he has to say. His insight is fresh and well taken.. The comment I made was just let SVB speak, I'm would guess Mark was not offended? If he was, I apologize as I tried to word my prior comment constructively.

Peace, JoeyK
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Mark Griffin said:
MoJoe,

I have no problem reading and trying to learn from your comments - because they were done in a polite and respectful way. I DO appreciate comments and criticism.

I also will admit that at times I get to rambling a little. That is not becasue I am senile - it is because I am trying to do a lot of things and often have several thoughts going on at once. I am really trying to improve the status of pool - and it is a tough gig - and I am running out of time.

I do not expect to please everyone. I take these Podcast pretty serious and will tell it exactly how I feel. That is my opinion. I expect others to have other opinions.

But to EvanLockart: You need to learn some polite way to make your point. And although you might think I am an old guy - I would like to see you half do of what I do every day.

I think your criticsm is just off base. Having a couple more chairs is not going to make or break the podcast. We provide our opinions of the latest news in the pool world.

I think we bring different viewpoints to be considered by the listeners. If you don't like that, I am sorry. I am not mad - but next time try to treat your 'elders' with a little more respect.

On a selfish sidenote, I think I have earned the right to go off once in awhile - and next time you have a little spare time, why not try to specnd some of it trying to improve the game we all love?

Respectfully,

Mark Griffin
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Bravo!

Don't ever stop being you, Mark. Your enthusiasm is contagious. You are perhaps the most tuned-in industry person out there, someone who makes things happen. And you are always accessible, open and trying to improve this game.

I love the podcasts. I appreciate that you are willing to listen to constructive criticsm. I really appreciate what you (and Justin) are doing for pool.

Rock on, "old guy" :grin:
 
Well, I tell ya this is a strange thread. I have to say that the podcasts are great in my opinion, you have the guy who is involved from one side of the fence and a guy who is the money behind alot of events. 2 different perspectives, then you add Shane on another side its got to be interesting (I am gonna watch it after I get done here) Anyway, I remember when Mark and Justin first started this series of podcasts. I was talking with Mark on the phone while he was driving to the studio. He called me right after and asked what I thought. I gave him my opinion andhe told methat he was only going to be on the podcasts a couple of times til they got other guests etc. I toldMark that he had ALOT to offer the podcast and alot of knowledge that people do want to hear. I also told him that the show would not be the same without him and I think I was right.
I know everyone has their own opinion on this but who else is doing anything like this where you can get info, opinions and general info? This stuff is priceless and I enjoy every min of it. Look at the NBA show with Charles and the other 2 guys, they are always talking over each other to get their point out. All the panel/shows with co anchors talk crap sometimes, interupt and ramble.

I am happy that these guys do what they do. Thanks and I know you already knowthis but whats the saying?? you can please some people some of the time....
 
Excellent podcast. I enjoyed Justin giving some insight on how matchups are brought together and why some just don't happen. Nice to get "inside" information from people in the know....
 
I watched the whole thing this morning and thought it was great. I wouldn't change a thing.
 
Very interesting, I like it when Justin tells it like it is, regardless of whose feathers gets ruffled. I have always thought a King of the Hill approach was a good idea, I would think a lot of top players would want to take on the challenge, a lot to win and nothing to lose.
 
all i will say from watching the podcast is for you to get a negotiator so you dont have to deal with the personal stuff and the bs that goes along with negotiating, try not to let your personal feelings effect the business deals...just my opinion

added i liked the podcast and mark also
 
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Thanks for replying Mr. Griffin. I was hopeful that I did not come across negatively as that was not my intention.

I have a great respect for what you do for the sport that I adore and am very thankful for your efforts as well.

Next time I see you at an event, I'll be sure to say hello.

Respectfully, Joey Koontz
 
JCIN said:
Its not a marketing problem. Its an ego problem. Some players dont want to take a tough game and risk losing in the spotlight. Some would rather sit at home and watch tv than play for someone who is trying to make money with them. Good luck to those who feel that way. Some guys will get up and play. Those guys will make some money and hopefully grow something that gives them more opportunities in the future.
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Sure, there are egos involved. But if players can play in the spotlight of the the finals of the US Open or some other tournament, then surely they can play under the tv cameras of a TAR matchup. :rolleyes:

I still think it's a marketing problem.
 
Justin: "bunch of aiming questions, we don't have have time to set that up right now"
Shane: "what type of questions?"

Great dude - always willing to help pool players learn and understand.
 
Just putting out a thanks for the podcasts. I have watched them all and found them entertaining and informative.

Not really a complaint but I feel a bit sorry for some of the players that are deemed not TAR-worthy. It does get a bit tiring hearing about the same ten or so players all the time. It may be a poor decision to put them in the pit, but it would be nice to hear about more of the mid-level pros and regional champs who can pick off all but the biggest tournaments when the stars align. There is a lot more going on than the four or five points events not to mention abroad.
 
evanlockhart said:
Because the best player in the world shows up and Mark Griffin can't keep his mouth shut, even when he's told to. It's a recurring thing with him-if you've ever watched any of the older segments. He's obviously a knowledgeable guy, but that's not really the point. You don't drown out the best player in the pool with a bunch of nonsense no one wants to listen to. Who wants to listen to an old guy who has a bunch of opinions and judgments about people and a plethora of other subjects, when Shane Van Boening shows up?
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evanlockhart said:
So you can't run a podcast without Mark, Justin? Maybe the "old guy" comment wasn't civil, but it was honest. I'm not really interested in what he has to say after listening to a lot of it in the past. It's nothing new and exciting, such as the content of these forums. The same topics that existed years ago, exist today. Talk about the, "pool world" and why it's failing, aiming systems, etc.

If you want help, run the podcast professionally. Get chairs for guests when they come in and zoom out your camera. Have enough mics and actively engage the people coming in. Teach Mark how to keep his conversations simple, more direct, and on topic. Don't let him interrupt when Shane is asked a question directly, because no one cares what he thinks about how Shane responded when losing to Alex. They want to hear Shane.

I've bought a ton of TAR matches and have always supported what you're doing, no disrespect intended. A lot of these responses align with how the majority of the people feel, but lashing back at people for telling you what isn't helping your podcasts-regardless of a few choice words, doesn't help either.
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Damn.. no disrespect intended? Both posts reek of disrespect. Not just disrespect to some Joe Blow, but disrespect to possibly (my vote anyways and many others) the most important man in pool today.

A few others expressed their comments that they felt Mark is "too chatty" or interrupts too much. Being a commentator or a guest on a podcast requires people to be "chatty" or else you have some guy that just answers questions in a few sentences or words and then there's silence while the interviewer struggles to find another question quickly. When you have someone that answers in a few words, you can go thru 20 questions in 5 or 10 mins.. then what? As far as Mark interrupting, yes he does interrupt maybe a little more then he should, but I'm sure the people's comments here is something he takes to heart, as he is one of few people that does want to hear others opinions of what he thinks or does, and welcomes them to call him and discuss it, or discuss it in the forums, as long as they do it respectfully and civilly.

I have had the pleasure of getting a chance to know Mark in person, and there are many outstanding qualities he possesses as a human being. He is very passionate about pool. He lives and breathes pool on a daily basis. He is willing to do or try just about anything to better pool and to breath new life in this game, for the betterment of the fans, the players and anyone else connected with this game. Not only willing, but he has proved time and time again, that he will put money behind his ideas to see if they can fly. Many times at a complete loss too.

He's also a man of his word and he's on the up and up with his deals, so anyone wanting to screw someone or do something negative against this game, he will have no part of it. So he's legit, and how many people do others know that are like that, especially when it comes to losing your azz on many things. Many others can be "bought" to turn the other way or to "pretend" they didn't know about something. Not him.

He's been doing positive things for pool all of his life and has thrown his whole life into pushing this game forward in spite of so many that are trying to bury it with their actions or scams.

When one is passionate about something, to the point of where they sink large amounts of money into ideas and projects, then those kinds of people have every right to be "chatty" about the things that they are pouring their money, time and energy into. Someone that goes out on a limb all the time, deserves to be given a chance to talk to the public about it. And we owe them our time to listen to them.

Mark truly cares about this game and he truly cares about the players, the fans and everyone else involved, in whatever capacity, in this game. In a game filled with a lot of bad guys, he's one of the good guys. So he deserves respect, because he has earned it.

Mark welcomes people's constructive comments on anything he does, whether it be a event he put on, or how he comes off on a podcast, or how he did as a commentator, and anything else he's involved in. He welcomes those comments, because he cares. He cares about how he comes off, he cares because he wants to do as good as job as he can. Whether it be how a tournament was ran of his, or whether he interrupts too much, or whether he promotes too much.. whatever... he cares.

He's not this way because he' trying to pull the wool over our eyes, pretending he cares, but he doesn't. Pretending he wants to know how we feel, but could care less. He DOES CARE. He's REAL.

So your "Who wants to listen to an old guy", the "Mark Griffin can't keep his mouth shut", tone of your posts, tell me everything I need to know about who you are. I've seen your actions on chats and wondered who the hell is this guy. I wondered, because you were being disrespectful in those chats too. So, to me, I notice a lot of disrespect coming from you in different situations. Several times, several places. That tells me that's what kind of guy you are.

You then, try to pretend you're all concerned with how to better things. Well, can you tell all of us just how much you do for pool as far as trying to better it? What do you do to try and put money into players pockets, or amateur's pockets, or kids pockets or giving the fans their money's worth? What exactly do you do, that benefits any of us here?

It just boggles my mind sometimes to read the stuff people write. They do nothing for the pool world, but they're quick to tell the people that do, how they do this or that wrong. Oh.. and that they have the correct answer on how to do it right. Put your money where your mouth is. Go get your own equipment and put up your own broadcast. They we'll sit back and tell you how lame you are and what you need to do to "unlame" it. We'll pick apart all of your personality traits while you're yapping on camera too. So if you're a "ummm" or a "uh" kind of guy, watch out. Believe me, the people here will point out so many negative flaws in you, that you won't want to go on camera again. Being on camera is not easy, but I'm sure you already are a pro at that.:rolleyes:

Justin and Mark bring a lot to this podcast. I happen to like the unscripted and raw chat. I happen to like both guys a lot, as they are both stand up guys and two of the best guys anyone could want to have on their side, because you can trust them to be honest and real to you. They also both give and give and give to the game we love, and they take a bath in the red a lot of time too.

I don't have any problem with people expressing their constructive criticism or just commenting in general. But do it respectfully, especially when both of these guys have earned it. Many in this thread have done that. Cool. You though? Not cool. More like lame.

So if I might offer some helpful advice to you, I won't be as chatty as I normally am either.

"DON'T WATCH THE PODCAST if it bothers you. No one's going to miss you.

And hopefully no "old guy" will ever show you or tell you anything to ever help your game, as you clearly do not have respect for those "old guys".

If I sound a tad bit irritated, it's because I am. If there's ever a school on class near you, go to it. You MIGHT learn something.

Anyone want odds?:smile:
 
Mark Griffin said:
MoJoe,

I have no problem reading and trying to learn from your comments - because they were done in a polite and respectful way. I DO appreciate comments and criticism.

I also will admit that at times I get to rambling a little. That is not becasue I am senile - it is because I am trying to do a lot of things and often have several thoughts going on at once. I am really trying to improve the status of pool - and it is a tough gig - and I am running out of time.

I do not expect to please everyone. I take these Podcast pretty serious and will tell it exactly how I feel. That is my opinion. I expect others to have other opinions.

But to EvanLockart: You need to learn some polite way to make your point. And although you might think I am an old guy - I would like to see you half do of what I do every day.

I think your criticsm is just off base. Having a couple more chairs is not going to make or break the podcast. We provide our opinions of the latest news in the pool world.

I think we bring different viewpoints to be considered by the listeners. If you don't like that, I am sorry. I am not mad - but next time try to treat your 'elders' with a little more respect.

On a selfish sidenote, I think I have earned the right to go off once in awhile - and next time you have a little spare time, why not try to specnd some of it trying to improve the game we all love?

Respectfully,

Mark Griffin
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Personally, Mark, I think you and Justin are doing a great job of interacting with the public through your Pod cast's, I don't see anyone else doing anything like this...and it's not that they can't...they're just not. Maybe one of these days I'll get a chance to get out there and watch you guys live:grin:

Glen
 
I just watched the podcast and enjoy Mark, you can tell that he just plain out loves pool.

I also like the idea of the King of the Hill type deal. I believe that TAR should get Ralf Souqet vs. Shane with shot clock, of course. I know that Ralf dosen't gamble but this isn't really gambling and this match would be epic!

My favorite line was from Mark, "You don't know John Barton, he has answers not questions!"
 
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