Good for you Bill.
But couldn't the player have gotten a baby sitter for his 8 year old daughter. Sheesh!
Teaching our children to gamble/hussle
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Good for you Bill.
But couldn't the player have gotten a baby sitter for his 8 year old daughter. Sheesh!
I can't wait to take my son to the strip club....it'll teach him to get loaded BEFORE he gets there (drinks are WAY overpriced), and teach him the value of money (wait for the 2 for 1 dance). I feel this will make him more well rounded than the kids whose fathers didn't take their kids to the strip clubs. "Look son, those girls right there were either father figure-less, or were showed TOO MUCH love at a young age, making them easy pickings as long as you've got enough dope on ya". That's knowledge right there; they don't teach that in school. Plus, how else will he learn the difference between a good and bad boob job (you get what you pay for)? Some parents are just clueless....life can't be lived through rose colored glasses, might as well show them that as early on as possible. 
This thread is too fun. Carry on.
This thread is too fun. Carry on.
....life can't be lived through rose colored glasses, might as well show them that as early on as possible.
The beauty of strip bars is that you don't need rose colored glasses. The lights already cast that hue!
Gotta love silicon valleys!!
I'm sure the father could of handled matters differently, tho it told me allot about this man as you read you'll find out I learned enough. He thanked me the first time I said something, but after that he didn't care, I did.
I love my daughter more than life itself. I want her to find her own passions in life and pursue those with vigor. I doubt this will involve pool, but if it does - best of luck. Right now she's a yellow belt in Tae Kwon Doe (she's 7) and seems to really enjoy it.
Honestly, in the world we live in, if I can keep her from getting pregnant, and off the pipe and/or the pole by adulthood, I'll feel as though a huge hurdle has been conquered. That sounds like I'm joking, but the way things go these days, the family background you come from doesn't necessarily dictate the kind of person you will become. I've seen plenty of young women from nice, religious, educated families who turn into tragic figures due to horrible choices. Gambling at pool is the least of my worries as a 21st century parent.
I'll share with you thee most important thing I did as I raised my two daughters, its simple but its impact was more far reaching than I ever expected. I NEVER EVER asked or told my girls to do something without FOLLOWING THRU. Mind you I only did this once or twice a day when it was important and a building block of ones character, but I NEVER let anything I said slip by in these instances. Now, as they've lived their lives, got their degrees and have a very nice network of friends, what I've found out is they do the EXACT SAME THING with their friends, meaning. If they are talking or making plans or whatever and someone tells them something and they don't follow thru, they ASK WHY? Whats come of this is obvious, the bullshitters fall by the wayside Quickly. Others that do what they say, can and do develop into great friends. Without our word, we are not much as a person.
That really isn't the point, is it?
WOw, I remember your daughters too. hard to believe they are grown already.
Congratulations!!
I posted this in the other thread as well...
I thought I better clarify something as there have been several threads on this now...
I posted a story about "betting" with my 8-year-old. There is a COMPLETE difference between teaching a child what a "gamble" is and teaching a child how to "hustle"...the latter I would never do, as I don't believe in taking advantage of others and it's not something I would ever teach my child...period!
We "gamble" in everything we do...walking across the street is a "gamble" that we're not going to get hit by a passing car. We can minimize that "gamble" by looking both ways when we cross the street...that's what we teach our children (or at least it should be
). So, in a very far-reaching analogy, this is in a sense teaching our children how to minimize risk while "gambling". The same can be done on a pool table...if done properly.
Teaching a child that you should "never make a bet if you can't pay the debt", is teaching responsibility and taking ownership of one's own actions.
It can teach "risk - reward". Again, something that we as adults deal with on a daily basis!
Making a wager on a game of pool with a child is different than betting on a UFC fight (honest to gosh, no offense to the OP in the UFC thread - I thought it was a cute story). Betting on a UFC fight, neither party has any direct input as to the outcome. Betting on a game of pool, both parties have a "say" in what happens in order to achieve the "win". This can teach a child self-confidence and to believe in himself/herself.
The most important thing if you're going to use gambling, wagering, betting as tools to teach "life-lessons", that you need to approach it with the positive lessons, and not the negative ones...if done properly, I don't feel there is anything wrong with utilizing gambling as a teaching tool. Every child/adult has a different learning style (whether it's watching someone, reading a book or hearing it verbally)...the same applies to teaching...there can be different styles of teaching and gambling (again, if done with a "positive" end result in mind) is/can be just one more tool in teaching...
Jason
I thought I better clarify something as there have been several threads on this now...
I posted a story about "betting" with my 8-year-old. There is a COMPLETE difference between teaching a child what a "gamble" is and teaching a child how to "hustle"...the latter I would never do, as I don't believe in taking advantage of others and it's not something I would ever teach my child...period!
We "gamble" in everything we do...walking across the street is a "gamble" that we're not going to get hit by a passing car. We can minimize that "gamble" by looking both ways when we cross the street...that's what we teach our children (or at least it should be
). So, in a very far-reaching analogy, this is in a sense teaching our children how to minimize risk while "gambling". The same can be done on a pool table...if done properly.Teaching a child that you should "never make a bet if you can't pay the debt", is teaching responsibility and taking ownership of one's own actions.
It can teach "risk - reward". Again, something that we as adults deal with on a daily basis!
Making a wager on a game of pool with a child is different than betting on a UFC fight (honest to gosh, no offense to the OP in the UFC thread - I thought it was a cute story). Betting on a UFC fight, neither party has any direct input as to the outcome. Betting on a game of pool, both parties have a "say" in what happens in order to achieve the "win". This can teach a child self-confidence and to believe in himself/herself.
The most important thing if you're going to use gambling, wagering, betting as tools to teach "life-lessons", that you need to approach it with the positive lessons, and not the negative ones...if done properly, I don't feel there is anything wrong with utilizing gambling as a teaching tool. Every child/adult has a different learning style (whether it's watching someone, reading a book or hearing it verbally)...the same applies to teaching...there can be different styles of teaching and gambling (again, if done with a "positive" end result in mind) is/can be just one more tool in teaching...
Jason
Have patience ..... 50yrs ago you couldn't steal an apple from an apple cart without getting smacked across your wrist with a cop's baton. Now, if you are in a store, the victim of an armed robbery in progress, and a cop comes in, sees it, and deploys his taser on the criminal to stop the threat, it gets in the newspapers that he used excessive police force, the criminal sues the department, the store, and perhaps even the victim. Naturally wins each claim.
The criminal is now living in Hawaii in the lap of luxury, rich as could be, writing a new book that will bound to be a best seller, while the cop is unemployed and blackballed from any hope of future work.
Have patience ... it will happen kids will get to gamble, and until they get real good at it we can pick their bones dry.
Hang in ... have patience, moral values in our society are falling apart as we speak. The world is going to hell in a hand basket. Have no fear, just some patience. We didn't become civil over night, we won't be able to f$%$ it up over night either, so don't worry, it will happen.
The criminal is now living in Hawaii in the lap of luxury, rich as could be, writing a new book that will bound to be a best seller, while the cop is unemployed and blackballed from any hope of future work.
Have patience ... it will happen kids will get to gamble, and until they get real good at it we can pick their bones dry.
Hang in ... have patience, moral values in our society are falling apart as we speak. The world is going to hell in a hand basket. Have no fear, just some patience. We didn't become civil over night, we won't be able to f$%$ it up over night either, so don't worry, it will happen.
I guess it all depends upon what side of the fence you are on.
If you think that bringing your 8 year old daughter to the pool room to watch and learn about gambling is a good thing, then you're just on the opposite side of the fence where I stand.
Each to his own.
No I don't think it is right at all. However just because she is in a pool room doesn't give men the right right to act like total assholes either.
if there is a little girl there, after all, she is somebodys daughter.
The men are not the victims here, no matter what side of the fence one rides!!
kybill9
Banned
I thought I better clarify something as there have been several threads on this now...
I posted a story about "betting" with my 8-year-old. There is a COMPLETE difference between teaching a child what a "gamble" is and teaching a child how to "hustle"...the latter I would never do, as I don't believe in taking advantage of others and it's not something I would ever teach my child...period!
We "gamble" in everything we do...walking across the street is a "gamble" that we're not going to get hit by a passing car. We can minimize that "gamble" by looking both ways when we cross the street...that's what we teach our children (or at least it should be
Teaching a child that you should "never make a bet if you can't pay the debt", is teaching responsibility and taking ownership of one's own actions.
It can teach "risk - reward". Again, something that we as adults deal with on a daily basis!
Making a wager on a game of pool with a child is different than betting on a UFC fight (honest to gosh, no offense to the OP in the UFC thread - I thought it was a cute story). Betting on a UFC fight, neither party has any direct input as to the outcome. Betting on a game of pool, both parties have a "say" in what happens in order to achieve the "win". This can teach a child self-confidence and to believe in himself/herself.
The most important thing if you're going to use gambling, wagering, betting as tools to teach "life-lessons", that you need to approach it with the positive lessons, and not the negative ones...if done properly, I don't feel there is anything wrong with utilizing gambling as a teaching tool. Every child/adult has a different learning style (whether it's watching someone, reading a book or hearing it verbally)...the same applies to teaching...there can be different styles of teaching and gambling (again, if done with a "positive" end result in mind) is/can be just one more tool in teaching...
Jason
While your teaching your children these valuable lessons about gambling, tell them the most important thing in life is, PIE IN THE SKY. Why work when you can gamble responsibly? You must believe then that giving your children heroin is a good idea. Cocaine, Mushrooms, alcohol, all should be on your list also. Risk/rewards for 6-7 year olds? Here's some heroin, now, I prefer to inhale it darling, but if you inject it, please be responsible and use clean needles. If you don't want to inhale it or inject it, then smoking is always a good method. Please honey, be careful with your matches.
Some people can rationalize anything. I think a visit from CPS and a short term in prison should be in your future.
A little food for thought!!!
You just cant beat a education!!!
Question:
What is the average income for young adults?
Response:
For young adults ages 25–34 who worked full time (35 or more hours per week) throughout a full year (50 or more weeks of employment), higher educational attainment was associated with higher median earnings. This pattern of higher median earnings corresponding with higher levels of educational attainment was consistent for each year examined between 1995 and 2009. For example, young adults with a bachelor's degree consistently had higher median earnings than those with less education.
In 2009, the median of the earnings for young adults with a bachelor's degree was $45,000, while the median was $21,000 for those without a high school diploma or its equivalent, $30,000 for those with a high school diploma or its equivalent, and $36,000 for those with an associate's degree. In other words, young adults with a bachelor's degree earned more than twice as much as those without a high school diploma or its equivalent in 2009 (i.e., 114 percent more), 50 percent more than young adult high school completers, and 25 percent more than young adults with an associate's degree. In 2009, the median of the earnings of young adults with a master's degree or higher was $60,000, some 33 percent more than the median for young adults with a bachelor's degree.
Earnings differences were also observed by sex. In 2009, the median of the earnings for young adult males was higher than the median for young adult females at every education level. For example, in 2009, young adult males with a bachelor's degree earned $51,000, while their female counterparts earned $40,100.
SOURCE: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2011). The Condition of Education 2011 (NCES 2011–033), Indicator 17.
Median annual earnings of full-time, full-year wage and salary workers ages 25–34, by educational attainment and sex: Selected years, 1980–2009
[In constant 2009 dollars]
Year All education levels High school diploma or equivalent Bachelor's degree
Male
1980 $45,000 $44,000 —
1985 43,900 39,900 —
1990 41,000 36,100 —
1995 38,000 33,800 49,300
2000 41,100 36,100 56,100
2005 38,400 33,000 49,400
2009 40,000 32,900 51,000
Female
1980 $31,200 $28,600 —
1985 31,900 27,900 —
1990 32,000 26,300 —
1995 31,000 24,800 39,400
2000 33,600 26,200 43,600
2005 33,000 26,400 41,700
2009 35,000 25,000 40,100
— Not available.
SOURCE: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2011). The Condition of Education 2011 (NCES 2011–033), Table A-17-1.
Related Tables and Figures: (Listed by Release Date)
2011, Digest of Education Statistics 2010, Table 391. Median annual earnings of year-round, full-time workers 25 years old and over, by highest level of educational attainment and sex: 1990 through 2009
2011, Digest of Education Statistics 2010, Table 392. Distribution of earnings and median earnings of persons 25 years old and over, by highest level of educational attainment and sex: 2009
Other Resources: (Listed by Release Date)
2011, Baccalaureate and Beyond Longitudinal Study (B&B) examines students’ education and work experiences after they complete a bachelor’s degree, with a special emphasis on the experiences of new elementary and secondary teachers.
2010, Current Population Survey (CPS) is a household survey conducted by the Bureau of the Census for the Bureau of Labor Statistics providing information about employment, unemployment, and other characteristics of the civilian noninstitutionalized population.
You just cant beat a education!!!
Question:
What is the average income for young adults?
Response:
For young adults ages 25–34 who worked full time (35 or more hours per week) throughout a full year (50 or more weeks of employment), higher educational attainment was associated with higher median earnings. This pattern of higher median earnings corresponding with higher levels of educational attainment was consistent for each year examined between 1995 and 2009. For example, young adults with a bachelor's degree consistently had higher median earnings than those with less education.
In 2009, the median of the earnings for young adults with a bachelor's degree was $45,000, while the median was $21,000 for those without a high school diploma or its equivalent, $30,000 for those with a high school diploma or its equivalent, and $36,000 for those with an associate's degree. In other words, young adults with a bachelor's degree earned more than twice as much as those without a high school diploma or its equivalent in 2009 (i.e., 114 percent more), 50 percent more than young adult high school completers, and 25 percent more than young adults with an associate's degree. In 2009, the median of the earnings of young adults with a master's degree or higher was $60,000, some 33 percent more than the median for young adults with a bachelor's degree.
Earnings differences were also observed by sex. In 2009, the median of the earnings for young adult males was higher than the median for young adult females at every education level. For example, in 2009, young adult males with a bachelor's degree earned $51,000, while their female counterparts earned $40,100.
SOURCE: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2011). The Condition of Education 2011 (NCES 2011–033), Indicator 17.
Median annual earnings of full-time, full-year wage and salary workers ages 25–34, by educational attainment and sex: Selected years, 1980–2009
[In constant 2009 dollars]
Year All education levels High school diploma or equivalent Bachelor's degree
Male
1980 $45,000 $44,000 —
1985 43,900 39,900 —
1990 41,000 36,100 —
1995 38,000 33,800 49,300
2000 41,100 36,100 56,100
2005 38,400 33,000 49,400
2009 40,000 32,900 51,000
Female
1980 $31,200 $28,600 —
1985 31,900 27,900 —
1990 32,000 26,300 —
1995 31,000 24,800 39,400
2000 33,600 26,200 43,600
2005 33,000 26,400 41,700
2009 35,000 25,000 40,100
— Not available.
SOURCE: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2011). The Condition of Education 2011 (NCES 2011–033), Table A-17-1.
Related Tables and Figures: (Listed by Release Date)
2011, Digest of Education Statistics 2010, Table 391. Median annual earnings of year-round, full-time workers 25 years old and over, by highest level of educational attainment and sex: 1990 through 2009
2011, Digest of Education Statistics 2010, Table 392. Distribution of earnings and median earnings of persons 25 years old and over, by highest level of educational attainment and sex: 2009
Other Resources: (Listed by Release Date)
2011, Baccalaureate and Beyond Longitudinal Study (B&B) examines students’ education and work experiences after they complete a bachelor’s degree, with a special emphasis on the experiences of new elementary and secondary teachers.
2010, Current Population Survey (CPS) is a household survey conducted by the Bureau of the Census for the Bureau of Labor Statistics providing information about employment, unemployment, and other characteristics of the civilian noninstitutionalized population.
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I see that you missed the points I was trying to make...sorry to see that...
While your teaching your children these valuable lessons about gambling, tell them the most important thing in life is, PIE IN THE SKY. Why work when you can gamble responsibly? You must believe then that giving your children heroin is a good idea. Cocaine, Mushrooms, alcohol, all should be on your list also. Risk/rewards for 6-7 year olds? Here's some heroin, now, I prefer to inhale it darling, but if you inject it, please be responsible and use clean needles. If you don't want to inhale it or inject it, then smoking is always a good method. Please honey, be careful with your matches.
Some people can rationalize anything. I think a visit from CPS and a short term in prison should be in your future.
kybill9
Banned
I dont accept straw arguments as valid. Justifications, rationalizations are not valid points.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're still misunderstanding...
I won't teach my son "to" gamble...rather I choose to teach him "about" the negative/positive consequences involved in gambling. I would prefer the lesson come from me rather than Harry Hussler at some point later in life.
I won't teach my son "to" do drugs...rather I choose to teach him "about" the negative consequences involved with doing drugs. I would prefer the lesson come from me rather than Peter Pusher when he starts hanging out with friends without adult supervision.
I won't teach my son "to" have sex...rather I choose to teach him "about" the negative consequences which can and do arise from sexual relations. I would prefer the lesson come from me rather than Donnie Dumass on the school playground.
I hope this helped you to understand where I was coming from as your comment regarding CPS and prison were way out of line...
Thanks,
Jason
I won't teach my son "to" gamble...rather I choose to teach him "about" the negative/positive consequences involved in gambling. I would prefer the lesson come from me rather than Harry Hussler at some point later in life.
I won't teach my son "to" do drugs...rather I choose to teach him "about" the negative consequences involved with doing drugs. I would prefer the lesson come from me rather than Peter Pusher when he starts hanging out with friends without adult supervision.
I won't teach my son "to" have sex...rather I choose to teach him "about" the negative consequences which can and do arise from sexual relations. I would prefer the lesson come from me rather than Donnie Dumass on the school playground.
I hope this helped you to understand where I was coming from as your comment regarding CPS and prison were way out of line...
Thanks,
Jason
AimingVoodoo
Banned
Don't worry, that kybill is the one with the problem, not you. He's not welcome here if he's going to act like that.
You certainly haven't done anything wrong.