texas express rules

[stick8]

We are playing texas express rules race to 5 , you are player A. you are on the hill{4} games i have 3 games. 4ball left on table6-7-8-9. you start your run making the 6, while doing so i break down my break cue. question have i consided game to you ????i think the rule states if on hill and stick is broke down game over??dont think it says what cue. if you break one down, is that not your cue??? WHAT SAY YE????

 

[Tommy-D]

> Every place I've ever played where pool was taken seriously considered it a forfeit of the MATCH,not just a particular rack if you break a cue down while your opponent is at the table.

It's always been my understanding as well that you CAN break down your cue on YOUR shot. As an example,imagine you are chalking up and you see there is a serious problem with your tip,forcing you to change shafts in the middle of an inning. The ref/TD or your opponent must be informed ahead of time.

There are only 2 kinds of players that break down their cues while the opponent is at the table.

Low-level players that are QUITTERS,who may not know that can be considered a automatic loss of match. Imagine how silly it must feel to have to put your stick back together because your opponent inadvertently misses,or lets the "move" work .

I make it a rule to smash guys like that. I consider it submission,like "tapping out".

The others are the ones that aren't using it as an expression of submission,but deliberately doing it to try and cause the opponent to falter.

I just ignore those. Tommy D.

 

[Johnnyt]

If your breaking down a cue while the other guy is shooting it should be loss of match. I don't care what the rules say. To me that's sharking if you are not giving him the match. Johnnyt

 

[Pushout]

If your breaking down a cue while the other guy is shooting it should be loss of match. I don't care what the rules say. To me that's sharking if you are not giving him the match. Johnnyt

And if you can't handle that kind of sharking maybe you shouldn't be playing pool, maybe chess would be more your speed. I always ignored anybody taking their cue apart and finished the game.

 

[mikeyfrost]

That's an old rule that shouldnt hold any weight anymore. If a player is frustrated and all they do is break their cue down or breaks it down because the sky is blue that means nothing to the game. Would you rather the person scream and shout and shark you? Unless a player leaves and doesnt come back they will tell you if they quit. Stop looking for cheap wins and easy outs and if you get sharked or miss because someone breaks their cue down, you deserve to lose for lacking the mental toughness.

 

[Johnnyt]

And if you can't handle that kind of sharking maybe you shouldn't be playing pool, maybe chess would be more your speed. I always ignored anybody taking their cue apart and finished the game.

I can handle any sharking and I can ignore you. Johnnyt

 

[GoTulane]

What I do

Always seems like a good time for me to go use the restroom, or go get a beer at the bar, or go get a cigarette.
Hell, if they think it is time to break down their cue, then I need to go get some nicotine, some alcohol, or go relieve myself.

That way you can come to the table refreshed, and ready to run those 4 easy balls - but make him wait for you, since he is already packing up.

Just say - " I guess it is break time!"

Michael

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

If your breaking down a cue while the other guy is shooting it should be loss of match. I don't care what the rules say. To me that's sharking if you are not giving him the match. Johnnyt

Actually Johnny, your instincts are correct. The rules say exactly that.

That's an old rule that shouldnt hold any weight anymore. If a player is frustrated and all they do is break their cue down or breaks it down because the sky is blue that means nothing to the game. Would you rather the person scream and shout and shark you? Unless a player leaves and doesnt come back they will tell you if they quit. Stop looking for cheap wins and easy outs and if you get sharked or miss because someone breaks their cue down, you deserve to lose for lacking the mental toughness.

It may be an old rule but it is also a current rule. Crack your stick and you lose:

Rule 1.11 under WPA General Rules of Play:

1.11 Concession
If a player concedes, he loses the match. For example, if a player unscrews his jointed playing cue stick while the opponent is at the table and during the opponent’s decisive rack of a match, it will be considered a concession of the match.

This rule would apply in the OP's case since the shooter was on the hill making it his "decisive rack of the match". The fact it was his break cue may change the ruling since it does say his "jointed playing cue", but that's splitting hairs. I figure if a guy cracks his stick I would go to shake his hand and confirm before I rake the balls, just to make it official. Always better to be safe than sorry. In any event, I apply this rule one-sidedly. If I break down then I am conceding. But I wouldn't hold my opponent to it until after I've confirmed it with him.

In any event, cracking your break cue so as to feign concession while not actually conceding, is a nit move. If you are not conceding then sit still and let your opponent shoot. I often wondered why at pro events you so rarely see a player in his chair applaud good play by his opponent even while the crowd is. I thought that was good sportsmanship. But I've come to realize that pros don't react to their opponents play simply so as not to even appear to be pulling a move of some kind.

BTW, what does all this have to do with Texas Express rules? :grin-square:

 

[danquixote]

Just like mama always said.......After your done playing.....put away your toys. sooooooo....if ya put away your toys, must mean your done playing.

 

[CreeDo]

The old sharks are some of the best ones, and the unscrewed cue has gotta be in the top ten.

They don't explicitly spell out many of the sharking techniques that are banned, because it's pretty obvious that you can't scream at the other guy or stab your wooden leg. They spell this one out because it's not as blatant but still just as effective.

 

[Rockin' Robin]

I have witnessed it many times over the years, breaking down the break cue while your opponent is at the table, and the ensuing argument. Strictly bad sportsmanship and always ruled loss of match by this TD.

Funny how word spreads like wildfire in our sport, once ruled in any area, this tactic seemed to vanish.

 

[randyg]

I have witnessed it many times over the years, breaking down the break cue while your opponent is at the table, and the ensuing argument. Strictly bad sportsmanship and always ruled loss of match by this TD.

Funny how word spreads like wildfire in our sport, once ruled in any area, this tactic seemed to vanish.

DITTO....SPF=randyg

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

In a tourney with a TD or with an experienced player in any game, this is widely considered a concession. In other circumstances when the loser toadstool doesn't know his butt from a butt plug, I always carry my handy dandy anti-sharking device:

All in all, it's a case by case thingamajig when someone pulls this pathetic stunt. I'm sure there's been more than one fight breakout after someone has called the match a consession and the other isn't aware of the breakin' it down etiquette/rule.

In this case the guy is breaking down his break stick which means he's given up any hope he will break again.