The best draw shots
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEAk8o8O-44
Here is another example of the same shot. Try searching Kamui tips on utube there are a ton of other good examples.
Here is another example of the same shot. Try searching Kamui tips on utube there are a ton of other good examples.
I with you on this brother. Damn is all I can say.
Can't really ID him from watching???
Fred <~~~ could've ID'd Shane just by the laughter in the background
that is freaking awesome! Rep to you.
What's the fascination with power draw? I used to have that when I was more of a beginner. I think that's common since it's one of the skill obstacles in the minds of beginners and once they conquer it, they then go through a period of abusing draw (using it necessarily). Still, it's pretty to watch when done well. I admit. But not very fascinating.
I suck and I can draw 2 table lengths. Big deal. Anyone can learn that in not a long time with practice.
NOW.....what's fascinating to me is not the guy who can draw 2-3 table lengths, but the guy that can draw exactly as much as he needs to. Now that is SKILL.
Guys who can draw 3ft when they need 3ft, 18" when they need 18" or 4.5ft when they need 4.5ft are the badasses.
Control over the draw shot is the Holy Grail, not monster draw power. There's countless numbers of people in every town across the land that can do the monster draw. But only a few can control that rock. Monster draw can be done by the C player. A players have the precision draw.
To me, that's the "best draw shots" ...not the most visually pleasing or exciting, but by far the best from a skill perspective.
I suck and I can draw 2 table lengths. Big deal. Anyone can learn that in not a long time with practice.
NOW.....what's fascinating to me is not the guy who can draw 2-3 table lengths, but the guy that can draw exactly as much as he needs to. Now that is SKILL.
Guys who can draw 3ft when they need 3ft, 18" when they need 18" or 4.5ft when they need 4.5ft are the badasses.
Control over the draw shot is the Holy Grail, not monster draw power. There's countless numbers of people in every town across the land that can do the monster draw. But only a few can control that rock. Monster draw can be done by the C player. A players have the precision draw.
To me, that's the "best draw shots" ...not the most visually pleasing or exciting, but by far the best from a skill perspective.
and if a 12 year old played perfect shape and made everything she shot at she'd be a world champion.
it's doing it that's impressive. the what if game doesn't work here
I point you to the post above yours, which makes the same point as mine was meant to make, but in a different way. Perhaps that one will make sense to you.
Mike Massey has a monster draw stroke...but he wrote that Nevel has the biggest stroke in the game.
I agree with Eric. LARRY NEVEL is the man.
Where the hell has Watchez been?
Here's a cut and paste of a post of his from years back:
I remember one year in Olathe during a tournament, they used to have a 5 x 10 Snooker table there. Jon Kucharo got into a stroke contest with Larry where they would pocket a ball in the corner & then draw their cue ball back. Everyone in the building wanted to bet on Larry, most had seen him do shots like the jacked up draw shot off the end rail as another poster described. Whitey Walker pulled me aside & told me to empty out on Kucharo. I looked at him like he was crazy but he said told me it was a sure bet, so I did. Kucharo robbed Nevel at this every time. He would draw the cue back to the end rail and then back past the side pocket. The last bet between them, Kucharo grabbed a one piece house cue off the wall & still beat him.
Here's a cut and paste of a post of his from years back:
I remember one year in Olathe during a tournament, they used to have a 5 x 10 Snooker table there. Jon Kucharo got into a stroke contest with Larry where they would pocket a ball in the corner & then draw their cue ball back. Everyone in the building wanted to bet on Larry, most had seen him do shots like the jacked up draw shot off the end rail as another poster described. Whitey Walker pulled me aside & told me to empty out on Kucharo. I looked at him like he was crazy but he said told me it was a sure bet, so I did. Kucharo robbed Nevel at this every time. He would draw the cue back to the end rail and then back past the side pocket. The last bet between them, Kucharo grabbed a one piece house cue off the wall & still beat him.
This shot is rail first.
LOL
Definitely not a power draw shot.
You might want to rethink this. It is rail first but the c/b bends considerably. Without power draw the c/b would hit well above the side pocket. With power draw it bends well past the side pocket. The c/b has to have sufficient draw speed for the english to carry it around the table.
Using inside is another effect. Inside is kill english on the first rail considering draw is being used. The natural angle with inside takes the c/b to the bottom rail. Make no mistake about it, it takes extreme draw to counter this effect and bend the c/b past the side pocket with speed.
Draw only lasts a short distance because of cloth friction. Whether its this shot or straight back power draw the cue ball over spin is diminished and creates the speed necessary for the shot. In this case side spin carry's it around the table but it has to have enough initial draw speed for this shot to work.
Rod
Any ball can rotate only on one axis at a time. This one was rotating on the axis he shot it at: 7 o'clock :: 1 o'clock. That makes it mostly draw. And that ball was accelerating significantly as it bent on the way to the second rail (it was still accelerating as it hit the second rail); only draw, and not side english, can do that.
The little bit of inside gave it a bit of spring coming off the second rail--but the overwhelming majority of the momentum of that shot was caused by a tremendous amount of draw spin--which didn't even completely unwind into pure rolling until it hit the second rail.
Edit: Video referred to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asdVH9ttGBU
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I wanna be careful and not get into an internet argument, but the acceleration off that 2nd rail has nothing to do with draw. The draw was out of gas before it hit the 2nd rail.