The Break - Ball in Hand after the Break and the Five Ball

[rjbigfish]

Its not the 5 ball its the 5 out. Any ball made after the 4. Thats huge weight. And just for the record, Shane lost to Earl in the race to 100. Earl also beat Archer, right before or right after cant remember. Just saying, your crazy if you dont think Earl is tops right now.

The weight they are talking about is the 5 ball, not the 5 out. You are the one that said the 5 out. Dippy was playing Chris with the 5 and the breaks, not 5 out and breaks.

Shane lost to Earl on a gaffy 10 foot table. Earl will not play Shane on a 9 foot diamond. Earl will not beat Shane on a regular basis on a 'normal' pool table. Sure he can win sets here and there, anyone at that level can but Shane has the best of it.

 

[Masayoshi]

The weight they are talking about is the 5 ball, not the 5 out. You are the one that said the 5 out. Dippy was playing Chris with the 5 and the breaks, not 5 out and breaks.

Shane lost to Earl on a gaffy 10 foot table. Earl will not play Shane on a 9 foot diamond. Earl will not beat Shane on a regular basis on a 'normal' pool table. Sure he can win sets here and there, anyone at that level can but Shane has the best of it.

What he said.

 

[Chris_Horton]

The weight they are talking about is the 5 ball, not the 5 out. You are the one that said the 5 out. Dippy was playing Chris with the 5 and the breaks, not 5 out and breaks.

Shane lost to Earl on a gaffy 10 foot table. Earl will not play Shane on a 9 foot diamond. Earl will not beat Shane on a regular basis on a 'normal' pool table. Sure he can win sets here and there, anyone at that level can but Shane has the best of it.

Your opinion, but I still like Earl in that game. Shane is strong but so is Earl. And no matter what you say about the table, both players played on it. If a ball hung for SVB it could hang for Earl and vice versa. Likewise, if they play on a "looser" 9' table, its easier for both of them to get out. Either way, between those two players, you cant tell me one or the other has the best of it, that is one that needs to be played out.

 

[the420trooper]

The weight they are talking about is the 5 ball, not the 5 out. You are the one that said the 5 out. Dippy was playing Chris with the 5 and the breaks, not 5 out and breaks.

Shane lost to Earl on a gaffy 10 foot table. Earl will not play Shane on a 9 foot diamond. Earl will not beat Shane on a regular basis on a 'normal' pool table. Sure he can win sets here and there, anyone at that level can but Shane has the best of it.

Two questions:

1. Was Shane playing on the same table as Earl?
2. What was the final score?

The guys who would like to place an asterisk next the "W" beside Earl's name are probably the same guys who lose to someone on a bar box and then say, "Yeah well, I could beat him on a nine footer." Do you see the similarity?

 

[Masayoshi]

Your opinion, but I still like Earl in that game. Shane is strong but so is Earl. And no matter what you say about the table, both players played on it. If a ball hung for SVB it could hang for Earl and vice versa. Likewise, if they play on a "looser" 9' table, its easier for both of them to get out. Either way, between those two players, you cant tell me one or the other has the best of it, that is one that needs to be played out.

Even if Earl was even with Shane, there are still a handful of guys much better than Shane. Those are the top pros.

 

[Chris_Horton]

Two questions:

1. Was Shane playing on the same table as Earl?
2. What was the final score?

The guys who would like to place an asterisk next the "W" beside Earl's name are probably the same guys who lose to someone on a bar box and then say, "Yeah well, I could beat him on a nine footer." Do you see the similarity?

Exactly. A win is simply just that a win. And not to mention there is only one thing that matters, who walked away with the money. Thats the only marker that matters to me.

 

[Chris_Horton]

Even if Earl was even with Shane, there are still a handful of guys much better than Shane. Those are the top pros.

Ok buddy... do me a favor, tell me who the top pro's are, and then go to each of them and tell them that they are better than Earl, and they should give him weight. Im sure they will think it just as laughable as me.

 

[Chris_Horton]

Oh and the last thing to be said about that "gaffy" table. I know for a fact SVB played on that table for about 10-15 hours prior to the match. If it was so "gaffy", why didn't he call off the game ? I'll tell ya, because he still like the match for $20k to beat Earl on that table.

 

[Masayoshi]

Ok buddy... do me a favor, tell me who the top pro's are, and then go to each of them and tell them that they are better than Earl, and they should give him weight. Im sure they will think it just as laughable as me.

If they beat him a good majority of the time, they are better than him. Weight is a non-factor. Just because you are better than someone doesn't automatically mean you can give them weight.

The list is:

Bustamante
Pagulayan
Yang
Orcullo
Wu

At the very least. There are probably half a dozen more Taiwanese and Filipino players that would be licking their chops if Earl said he wanted to play some big sets even.

If you think Earl is as good as those 5, we can bet $100 every time Earl draws one of them in a tournament.

 

[Chris_Horton]

If they beat him a good majority of the time, they are better than him. Weight is a non-factor.

The list is:

Bustamante
Pagulayan
Yang
Orcullo
Wu

At the very least. There are probably half a dozen more Taiwanese and Filipino players that would be licking their chops if Earl said he wanted to play some big sets even.

Nonetheless, you cant tell me those players are going to beat him everytime or most of the time. They dont play often enough to settle that. I do think however you made a list of great players, but you are just not giving enough respect to Earl's game, the greatest and most winning-est 9ball player.

 

[Masayoshi]

Nonetheless, you cant tell me those players are going to beat him everytime or most of the time. They dont play often enough to settle that. I do think however you made a list of great players, but you are just not giving enough respect to Earl's game, the greatest and most winning-est 9ball player.

They will undoubtedly beat him most of the time if they ever decided to match up even. Which will never happen because Earl is not stupid. I have much respect for Earl's game. He was the most dominant tournament player of his era, but he is not what he used to be.

 

[iba7467]

IBA - I watched Louie Roberts give Woolford the 6 ball and hijack him.

Tried to rep you, but I don't rep people so seldom that I have to spread it around first. Nice to see you posting again on occasion. BTW, there is still no action in St Louis. Gary Lutman seems to be in action all over the country lately, but he lives here and never gets played here.

 

[watchez]

Occasionally yes I will post. I delete more posts before hitting 'Submit Reply' than I make.

If you talk to Gary and he is looking for action, tell him to give me a call. I haven't talked to him in a while but if he is out making money all around the country, I would love to hear about it.

 

[cleary]

Two questions:

1. Was Shane playing on the same table as Earl?
2. What was the final score?

The guys who would like to place an asterisk next the "W" beside Earl's name are probably the same guys who lose to someone on a bar box and then say, "Yeah well, I could beat him on a nine footer." Do you see the similarity?

Its a bad argument. Jesse Bowman might beat a lot of people on a barbox but that doesn't mean he will beat them on a 9' table. The fact of the matter is, a 9' table is the standard to which the pros play on. He's a barbox champion but his name never comes up otherwise.

Who would win in baketball on a 12' hoop, Lebron or Kobe? Doesn't matter cause it doesn't mean one is better than the other, its a 12' hoop.

If the standard of pool moves to a 10' table, then you have an argument.

 

[rjbigfish]

Your opinion, but I still like Earl in that game. Shane is strong but so is Earl. And no matter what you say about the table, both players played on it. If a ball hung for SVB it could hang for Earl and vice versa. Likewise, if they play on a "looser" 9' table, its easier for both of them to get out. Either way, between those two players, you cant tell me one or the other has the best of it, that is one that needs to be played out.

Not my opinion, fact. I asked Earl why he wouldn't match up and play shane the same game on a 9 foot diamond and he said because he couldn't win, Shane breaks too good. I will ask him again tonight, I'm actually playing him again. You should come down and watch, maybe you can learn something.

 

[Chris_Horton]

Not my opinion, fact. I asked Earl why he wouldn't match up and play shane the same game on a 9 foot diamond and he said because he couldn't win, Shane breaks too good. I will ask him again tonight, I'm actually playing him again. You should come down and watch, maybe you can learn something.

Where are you going to play him ?

And as to the jab, Earl will tell you that he cant give me an 8-5 race with the 7 because im too good, but he has beat me with it plenty at chalkies. So just because that is what Earl says doesn't mean he wont do it. He needs to work on his break, because its honestly bad. That is a good point though, SVB does have a great break, should damn near be illegal its so good.

As to me learning something, whatever you think sir !

 

[Chris_Horton]

RJ = Rich by chance ? lol

 

[The Chinchilla]

Nonetheless, you cant tell me those players are going to beat him everytime or most of the time. They dont play often enough to settle that. I do think however you made a list of great players, but you are just not giving enough respect to Earl's game, the greatest and most winning-est 9ball player.

Yes, but I think the whole underlying problem here is, where are the "new Earls?" I know there will never be another like him, but you know what i mean.

 

[Roadie]

Nonetheless, you cant tell me those players are going to beat him everytime or most of the time. They dont play often enough to settle that. I do think however you made a list of great players, but you are just not giving enough respect to Earl's game, the greatest and most winning-est 9ball player.

None of those guys want to give Earl weight for money. None of them.

Earl Strickland has a gear that is higher than any living human, even now. He doesn't always hit that gear because he also suffers from inner demons that get in the way.

The Action Report is standing by to accept any and all offers from the Filipinos and the Taiwanese who think that they can give Earl ANY weight whatsoever playing 9 ball.

Put me down for up to $5000 on Mr. Strickland if he gets any kind of weight from Orcullo, Yang, Wu, Bustamante, Efren, Alcano, or well, anyone breathing.

Personally I believe that Mr. Strickland and his backers owe Mr. Van Boening the agreed upon set of ten ball on the 9ft Diamond to close out that session. I think that Mr. Boening has an edge certainly but it's not as much as it seems on paper. Regardless Mr. Van Boening nor his contemporaries are offering to give Mr. Strickland any weight to entice him to play. That ought to be a clear message to the pool world what the professionals and their backers think of the idea of giving Earl Strickland weight in a money match.

 

[bmsclayton]

stl

Tried to rep you, but I don't rep people so seldom that I have to spread it around first. Nice to see you posting again on occasion. BTW, there is still no action in St Louis. Gary Lutman seems to be in action all over the country lately, but he lives here and never gets played here.

Gary has played Joe a few times in the last few months at the break and in Farmington. I heard Gary was south and doing really well recently. There is some good action out at Hillsboro even as we speak. I believe the dickersons, Joe W, Kevin C, and a few others are lined up for the next couple of days. Chip and Joey posted looking for action and Jimmy responded for Justin but I saw no answer.

When are we playing IBA?