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The Color Of Money - What's your favorite Line?
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I don't want to throw rain on anyone's parade, but Newman was brilliant in the role of Fast Eddie in The Hustler and should have won the Oscar that year. TCOM was an ego piece for Newman and his opportunity to reprise the Myron McCorminck role of the stake horse (in The Hustler). It should have just been named The Hustler II. After reading the book TCOM, I was disappointed that he and Richard Price, the screenwriter, weren't more faithful to Walter Tevis' story, which had many brilliant lines in it.
By the way, Newman did not do as good a job as McCormick did in the original. I thought McCormick played the part to a 'T'! Watch both movies and compare the parts of the two stake horses and tell me which one is more believable. Newman was a great Fast Eddie but only a fair "Charlie".
By the way, Newman did not do as good a job as McCormick did in the original. I thought McCormick played the part to a 'T'! Watch both movies and compare the parts of the two stake horses and tell me which one is more believable. Newman was a great Fast Eddie but only a fair "Charlie".
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I just had an idea for another thread that I'll include here instead - name the players and pool characters that appeared in TCOM - I can think of
McCready ( of course )
Grady Mathews
Jimmy Mataya
Steve Mizerak
McCready ( of course )
Grady Mathews
Jimmy Mataya
Steve Mizerak
jay helfert said:
I disagree and agree. First Newman played his role to perfection in TCOM. That said his role wasn't supposed to be a carbon copy of McCormick's role in the Hustler. His role was that of a former - could have been champion - who was hustling liquor instead of pool and stakehorsing locally who sees a chance to "get back in it" through Vince.
The thing is that McCormick did play his part to a tee but the movie wasn't about him and his part was done quickly. The Hustler was about Eddie and his own character. So was TCOM about Eddie and where he is in life now, not about Vince. So Eddie wasn't using Vince the way Charlie was using Eddie.
Charlie wanted a steady earner, Eddie wanted back in the game, to be playing instead of managing. He didn't want to be Charlie but it was the part that was familiar to him. In the end he knew that if he continued then he would become Charlie and that appalled him. He rediscovered that what he really wanted was to be Eddie Felson, known for his ability on the table, no hustle involved.
One minor correction, an actor only reprises a role when they play the same character in a subsequent movie. You cannot reprise someone else's role you can only play it. I think you meant to say that TCOM was Newman playing McCormick's role from the Hustler. Which I disagree with as stated above.
"What are you going to do when I kick your ass?" "Pick myself up and let you kick it again." "And if I don't beat you this month in Dallas, then next month in Phoenix" "Yeah, what makes you sure?" "Hey, I'm back!".
Time to watch it again.
We all have different tastes and long may that be so. For me it's an appalling movie that hasn't stood the test of time in any respect. I've never met anyone who has no deeply ingrained interest in pool who enjoyed it.
Watching it once was bad enough, watching it twice marks me down as too easily swayed by a simple love of pool. Would rather sew myself up inside a dead horse than watch it again now simply to find out what the last line spoken was.......so for me the best line was a written one that apeared on the screen, namely........."THE END"
Watching it once was bad enough, watching it twice marks me down as too easily swayed by a simple love of pool. Would rather sew myself up inside a dead horse than watch it again now simply to find out what the last line spoken was.......so for me the best line was a written one that apeared on the screen, namely........."THE END"
memikey said:We all have different tastes and long may that be so. For me it's an appalling movie that hasn't stood the test of time in any respect. I've never met anyone who has no deeply ingrained interest in pool who enjoyed it.
Watching it once was bad enough, watching it twice marks me down as too easily swayed by a simple love of pool. Would rather sew myself up inside a dead horse than watch it again now simply to find out what the last line spoken was.......so for me the best line was a written one that apeared on the screen, namely........."THE END"
i'm with you....as far as i was concerned the redeeming quality were the familiar faces. And i'm not talking about cruise who, IMO, is a no talent fruitcake.
Newman should have got the Oscar for The Hustler,not TCOM.TH was head and shoulders above TCOM for a lot of reasons.TH was well written,truer to reality,had the feel of pool rooms of that time.TCOM was weak in a lot of its storyline.If TCOM came out first,it would have been a bomb.Because it had The Hustler as a reference,it was successful.
Cannonball55 said:
Mike sigel was in the movie if you look closely.
JimGinPhx said:
I don't know about that. I am pretty sure that people my age who went to see The Color of Money didn't know about The Hustler. I sure didn't. I didn't see the Hustler until many years later.
I guess it's just different tastes for sure because I still get something out TCOM and the Hustler each time I watch them.
Cruise was melodramatic a lot of the time but that was excusable. I think that he did a good job going from the clueless insecure obnoxious jerk to the calculating hustling jerk.
Here is something for people to try. Put both movies on your Ipod/Mp4 player and listen to them instead of watching them. I did that a while ago and it was pretty cool.
donny mills said:
This is the line I've heard quoted the most in the poolhall. (Except usually I'm the recipient)
to me, 'just' to me...
maybe just to me, but i wish to say...
the best part of the movie was Keith.
i just loved him in his part.
it was for me - Pure Keith...
and imho, the movie was more about Him, more than the main actors/parts.
please understand, i think Newman was [G-d bless him] is and always was Great, and inho Tom Cruse was a disaster.
but also i must say, i think Martin Scorese is a brilliant director. and so to me if i had some say in this movie [knowing pool just a little] i would have had Keith play as Keith, not Cruise playing as a "nobody".
and for the record, to me, there is just 1 GREAT Pool Movie with nothing to compare to it, and that is the HUSTLER. to me - A Masterpiece!
sorry to all the COM lovers. it is just mho,
smokey
maybe just to me, but i wish to say...
the best part of the movie was Keith.
i just loved him in his part.
it was for me - Pure Keith...
and imho, the movie was more about Him, more than the main actors/parts.
please understand, i think Newman was [G-d bless him] is and always was Great, and inho Tom Cruse was a disaster.
but also i must say, i think Martin Scorese is a brilliant director. and so to me if i had some say in this movie [knowing pool just a little] i would have had Keith play as Keith, not Cruise playing as a "nobody".
and for the record, to me, there is just 1 GREAT Pool Movie with nothing to compare to it, and that is the HUSTLER. to me - A Masterpiece!
sorry to all the COM lovers. it is just mho,
smokey
JB Cases said:I disagree and agree. First Newman played his role to perfection in TCOM. That said his role wasn't supposed to be a carbon copy of McCormick's role in the Hustler. His role was that of a former - could have been champion - who was hustling liquor instead of pool and stakehorsing locally who sees a chance to "get back in it" through Vince.
The thing is that McCormick did play his part to a tee but the movie wasn't about him and his part was done quickly. The Hustler was about Eddie and his own character. So was TCOM about Eddie and where he is in life now, not about Vince. So Eddie wasn't using Vince the way Charlie was using Eddie.
Charlie wanted a steady earner, Eddie wanted back in the game, to be playing instead of managing. He didn't want to be Charlie but it was the part that was familiar to him. In the end he knew that if he continued then he would become Charlie and that appalled him. He rediscovered that what he really wanted was to be Eddie Felson, known for his ability on the table, no hustle involved.
One minor correction, an actor only reprises a role when they play the same character in a subsequent movie. You cannot reprise someone else's role you can only play it. I think you meant to say that TCOM was Newman playing McCormick's role from the Hustler. Which I disagree with as stated above.
"What are you going to do when I kick your ass?" "Pick myself up and let you kick it again." "And if I don't beat you this month in Dallas, then next month in Phoenix" "Yeah, what makes you sure?" "Hey, I'm back!".
Time to watch it again.
Well said my friend. You have done a good job of defining these film characters. I think Newman always wanted to play the part McCormick had in the original. It had a lot of flavor to it. And McCormick gave it depth. He just took that part and expanded it to fit his own script.
I'd love to see The Hustler done again with Kevin Spacey as the stake horse and Robert Downey as the hustler. What these two guys could do with such juicy roles. And maybe Drew Barrymore to play the girl. It's a classic play that belongs on Broadway. Why it has never been done is beyond me.
Since the early 60s up until present day
The line I remember most from the TCOM and still is very descriptive for a lot of pool players...
Child Care
The line I remember most from the TCOM and still is very descriptive for a lot of pool players...
Child Care
How about this scene:
Maybe this game
is just for bangers.
Cool it.
But the thing is...
even if it is just for bangers,
everybody's doing it.
If everybody's
doing it...
There's a lot
of guys doing it.
A lot of guys
doing it...
but only one guy
can be the best.
Eddie, hey!
Hey!
Maybe this game
is just for bangers.
Cool it.
But the thing is...
even if it is just for bangers,
everybody's doing it.
If everybody's
doing it...
There's a lot
of guys doing it.
A lot of guys
doing it...
but only one guy
can be the best.
Eddie, hey!
Hey!