the culprit that threw the pacifier at Earl Strickland

JoeyA said:
Craig, don't assume that those who claim to be Earl's friend, have not tried to help him.

Even so, the vilest people deserve compassion, just maybe not from the injured party, although it has always been ironic to me to see the injured party the first to forgive the perpertrator of the crime.

Earl is not vile.

Earl is not a criminal.

He has problems. He admits it. He is working on them.

While I don't condone some of his behavior, I believe that some of the sickest people are those who with intent, instigate his bad behavior shifts.
And no it isn't ALL their faults either.

It is shared by all of US who view the un-coaxed bad behavior from him and do nothing but make judgments without knowing all of the facts.

I feel that he is more often than not, prodded and poked to most of the furor that we all see and despise. I see very sick people getting off on seeing Earl behave miserably. Some even want to get down in the mud with him.

On those occasions when Earl is not prodded and poked, the authorities (tournament directors- tournament promoters) need to administer the proper penalty. That is the first line of correction.

This forum should be the last line of correction, especially from us.

Oh, and please accept my personal thanks for serving our country so generously!

JoeyA (and no, I am not Earl's friend).
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Thanks very much for your post and opinion!!!!!:)

Have a good day!!!
 
Fleece3 said:
If you believe this, why did YOU jump on me for expressing mine:eek:



I assure you I am not Earl. MANY AZ'ers have met me in person. Ask around, you can start with Jude.
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Fleece isn't Earl. Everybody at the room likes him. He's a good guy. He doesn't complain when he misses. I don't think he's even touched a Cuetec (sorry Travis).
 
Well I think Earl kinda brings this attention and crowd action on himself. I mean what was the whole thing with him shaking Ralf's hand and then it looks like he tries to point at someone or push his hand away? It was kinda tough to see in the video cuz someone gets in the way.

But I dont care who you are, the crowd is going to react to anyone doing something like that. But because it's Earl, the crowd is going to go overboard.

Now, say this event is reversed and its going on say in New York, and Peach or someone else does this same thing to Corey, or Archer. How do you think that crowd is going to react?

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, but it happens. And only because it's Earl, its big news for us.
 
JoeyA said:
Show me ONE TIME Earl got a pass.

I think Earl regularly gets MICRO-WATCHED by every wannabee pool player in the world.

JoeyA
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Right JoeyA...and he KNOWS it so he is almost predestined to get upset. But what really, genuinely shocks me is the standard of behavior on the part of the fans and players in pool relative to almost any sport you can think of except croquet.

No one seems to remember McEnroe, Connors, Nasty Nastasi, Ali, and about 100 baseball players, 200 basketball players, 300 football players AND THE ENTIRE NHL PLAYER ROSTER FOR THE PAST 70 YEARS!

And the FANS of all those sports...not to mention soccer fans around the world who engage in riots and mayhem WHETHER THEIR TEAMS WIN OR LOSE!.

But this is POOL, which God knows has been populated by WAY more than its share of drunks, druggies, drug dealers, illegal gamblers, dumpers, double dumpers, mouth offs, sharks and hustlers...a class of people that the two most popular pool movies of all time were based on.

Hey, I din't write the history of pool but I know what it is...up close and personal.

So WHAT IS UP with all this Boy Scout stuff? NO professional athletes, as a class, behave the way some here expect them to and NO fans do either!

When was the last time anyone saw a RIOT after a pool match??

Hell there aren't enough fans to CAUSE a riot!

So for people to pick POOL as the sport where gentlemanly behavior...make nice...smooch smooch...is supposed to be the standard have picked about THE most unlikely sport IMAGINABLE!!

Just look at this thread and other like it...just the ones about Earl. There must be thousands of posts. And how many are there about Ralf??

NO disrespect intended. Ralf seems to be a great guy and great champion...but as someone pointed out SPORTS ARE THEATER (if you want to have an audience that is).

So let Earl act out for a few more years and he MIGHT...JUST MIGHT eventually end up in a tie with McEnroe for the World Act Out Champion.

Finally....GREAT POST JoeyA.

Regards,
Jim
 
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jay helfert said:
I saw it up close and personal. Earl was a cancer on this team. No one could talk to him and no one could get near him. His team members were forced to avoid him all week. There was constant tension in the practice room. It was not the amenities of Vegas that did this team in.

Earl did not one time show up in the arena in support of his fellow players. NOT ONCE! Did anyone notice that the European team was out in force all week supporting their players? Only a handful of U.S. players were ever present for another player's match. And never was Earl seen except when he had to play.
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Jay, you have the respect of the entire pool community and certainly mine as I hope you know. But pool history is FILLED with "lone wolf" outcasts of various kinds. And IMHO any professional who needed Earl to come to dinner or to make nice in the practice room in order to play well in their own events has something to learn about personal self-motivation.

Earl could have been blowing bubbles out his ears in the practice room and it shouldn't make any difference to players in matches that don't involve him.

Vince Lombardy was a TIRANT who threw TIRADES constantly. His kids couldn't even stand to be around him!

And look at the record. Earl tied SVB for the highest win percentage!



JOHNNY ARCHER
1
0
4
1
1 OUT OF 5
20%

COREY DEUEL
1
0
3
1
1 OUT OF 4
25%

RODNEY MORRIS
4
1
2
1
2 OUT OF 6
33%

EARL STRICKLAND
2
1
3
2
3 OUT OF 5
60%

SHANE VAN BOENING
3
2
2
1
3 OUT OF 5
60%

If anyone "lost" the event for the U.S. it was Johnny.

Remember Billy Martin!! He made Earl look like a Sunday school teacher. Did Earl get in fist fights with his team members in the practice room? Billy did...on the way two winning 2 World Series.

I have NO DOUBT that being around Earl can be tense but what's new?

How about Cornbread Red who played guys for 50 bags when he know half the dudes in the room were carrying GUNS! How's THAT for building a little tension?

The rest of the team may hate his guts and maybe he'll never be on another Mosconi Cup team but I would be SHOCKED to hear Johnny say that HIS losses were Earl's fault.

Finally, back to RESULTS...last year Earl had as many wins as any other member of the team with a 12-10 record vs. 12-12 and 12-11 for Deuel and Davis. And EVERYBODY knew about Earl's behavioral issues last year too Jay. So you can't put a "loose cannon" on the team and love it when he wins and then put the same "loose cannon" on the team and call him a bum when he wins as much as any one else on the team.

TEAM USA had a BAD outing and it wasn't Earl's fault...and if it WAS his fault it was actually the fault of the decision-makers who put him on the team. I don't know who makes those decisions. Who does...and why isn't there a thread POUNDING the brains out of THAT person or group??

Was Earl's behavior a BIG SURPRISE to them??

As the old story goes...They knew he was a snake when they picked him up. (Earl is NOT a snake...that's just a story that shows that people ought not to complain when they should have known better!)

RESPECTFULLY!

Jim
 
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I don't know if I'm viewing this one correctly, but in the other one, I saw the guy next to Peach appear to say something to him, and then hand him the object, and then Peach flicked it out on the floor.
 
manwon said:
We can agree to disagree on this subject, and you are right you are entitled to your opinion, that is why I served our country in the US Army for 23 years to protect our rights to have one.

Have a nice day!!
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AGREED!!!!
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Fleece isn't Earl. Everybody at the room likes him. He's a good guy. He doesn't complain when he misses. I don't think he's even touched a Cuetec (sorry Travis).
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Thanks Jude, actually I did TOUCH a Cuetue once! It belonged to the guy I used to shoot w/ on the east side. No wonder he stopped playing! But seriously, thanks for all of your input w/ me. Sometimes your advice came when you where just passing by the table, other times it came when you bashed my brains out during a match. On all occassions, I left the slate a smarter player
 
av84fun said:
Jay, you have the respect of the entire pool community and certainly mine as I hope you know. But pool history is FILLED with "lone wolf" outcasts of various kinds. And IMHO any professional who needed Earl to come to dinner or to make nice in the practice room in order to play well in their own events has something to learn about personal self-motivation.

Earl could have been blowing bubbles out his ears in the practice room and it shouldn't make any difference to players in matches that don't involve him.

Vince Lombardy was a TIRANT who threw TIRADES constantly. His kids couldn't even stand to be around him!

And look at the record. Earl tied SVB for the highest win percentage!



JOHNNY ARCHER
1
0
4
1
1 OUT OF 5
20%

COREY DEUEL
1
0
3
1
1 OUT OF 4
25%

RODNEY MORRIS
4
1
2
1
2 OUT OF 6
33%

EARL STRICKLAND
2
1
3
2
3 OUT OF 5
60%

SHANE VAN BOENING
3
2
2
1
3 OUT OF 5
60%

If anyone "lost" the event for the U.S. it was Johnny.

Remember Billy Martin!! He made Earl look like a Sunday school teacher. Did Earl get in fist fights with his team members in the practice room? Billy did...on the way two winning 2 World Series.

I have NO DOUBT that being around Earl can be tense but what's new?

How about Cornbread Red who played guys for 50 bags when he know half the dudes in the room were carrying GUNS! How's THAT for building a little tension?

The rest of the team may hate his guts and maybe he'll never be on another Mosconi Cup team but I would be SHOCKED to hear Johnny say that HIS losses were Earl's fault.

Finally, back to RESULTS...last year Earl had as many wins as any other member of the team with a 12-10 record vs. 12-12 and 12-11 for Deuel and Davis. And EVERYBODY knew about Earl's behavioral issues last year too Jay. So you can't put a "loose cannon" on the team and love it when he wins and then put the same "loose cannon" on the team and call him a bum when he wins as much as any one else on the team.

TEAM USA had a BAD outing and it wasn't Earl's fault...and if it WAS his fault it was actually the fault of the decision-makers who put him on the team. I don't know who makes those decisions. Who does...and why isn't there a thread POUNDING the brains out of THAT person or group??

Was Earl's behavior a BIG SURPRISE to them??

As the old story goes...They knew he was a snake when they picked him up. (Earl is NOT a snake...that's just a story that shows that people ought not to complain when they should have known better!)

RESPECTFULLY!

Jim
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I find this discussion now pretty boring. Those who is hard digging Earl seems to always comes up with something amazing to defend him. Comparing the tension when Earl was around the practice room with people dragging around guns, drugs etc etc is for me so far out that I simply can't understand it!!

For me the Mosconi cup is a TEAM EVENT where hopefully the players play as a TEAM and we are not talking about a dodgy pub tournament.

For me 2+2 is still 4 and I think it would not be rocket science to understand that a team working as a team wold have a better starting point, than a team working as lone wolfs, where they hardly backs each other up and one member is being a A* H**e.

Hopefully you could have a own Earl breed which could make up the whole team next year. Or maybe we should make a UFC version of the tournament where people carries guns, use drugs and the pool table is inside a boxing ring in a really dodgy pup? Hopefully that brings enough tension? That must for sure satisfy all of you Earl diggers?

I would for sure not watch ! :mad:
N, which herby pulls from this never ending defending story.
 
StormHotRod300 I mean what was the whole thing with him shaking Ralf's hand and then it looks like he tries to point at someone or push his hand away? It was kinda tough to see in the video cuz someone gets in the way. QUOTE said:
howdy,
Actually earl waited for Ralf to come and shake hand.But Ralf went to his team mates shook their hands and while returning to Earl he stoped to shake hand with some body else.He at the end came to Earl to shake hand.Then Earl gave a pimp slap.Ralf smiled at the pimp slap and it did not
appear to have caused apprehension/fear and hence it cannot be seen as ASSAULT.But if one stretches the law it could be construed as BATTERY.Yes pimp slaps also qualify to be considered as battery.:cool:
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Vahmurka said:
Joey, thanks for clarifying :) Obviously my English let me down here, I though of a dummy as of a doll, rag doll, probably Earl-looking one :D Now I see dummy and pacifier are synonyms.
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English is my native language, Vahmurka, and I had NEVER heard of a "dummy" being a pacifier before. :o

I had visions of somebody throwing a mannequin onto the floor of the TV table area. I thought, man, that would be very large, like a dead body or something.

We all learn something new every day, I guess. :)

JAM
 
JAM said:
I had visions of somebody throwing a mannequin onto the floor of the TV table area. I thought, man, that would be very large, like a dead body or something.
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haha, Jenny, that was my first thought as well (dummy=mannequin) ;) Well, good to hear my English is better than it seemed yesterday
 
Newton..."Or maybe we should make a UFC version of the tournament where people carries guns, use drugs and the pool table is inside a boxing ring in a really dodgy pup? Hopefully that brings enough tension? That must for sure satisfy all of you Earl diggers?"

NOW you're talkin'...That might be the first pool show to get on network TV in about the last 25 years!

EXCELLENT idea.

(-:
 
JAM said:
English is my native language, Vahmurka, and I had NEVER heard of a "dummy" being a pacifier before.
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You might want to look up the phrase 'Spitting your dummy out' then for a deeper insight into the incident. 'Handbags at 20 paces' would be another.

Boro Nut
 
I have been away from pool for a while...

Looks like everything is exactly where I left it.:rolleyes:
 
When I watched that one clip, Earl Ran out, went to shake that dudes hand, and he quickly pulled Earl to him and said something Earl didnt like, Earl then began choppin.. afterward, Peach walks up to Earl and Earl said he was flapping his jaws and peach rolled his eyes, Earl then says Hey Im sorry, and the dude says HEY dont say that to me!

That was what I was defending Earl about, he didnt start anything here, He played good, went shake his opponets hand, and was challenged or threatened by his opponet. I myself would have done exactly as Earl did.


Obviously I missing the big picture.. but in this case here, Earl isnt at fault.

Ralf is an ok guy by me, never seen him act out in anger, if Earl Pimp slapped him, for no reason, Earl is to blame and looses all respect I had for him before hand. Peach as well as damn I cant recall his name, has also lost my respect... ( I know his name)

I offer an appology, for not reviewing all the evidence before I replied, the above is all I had to go on..

SPINDOKTOR
 
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