The DCC
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To Greg Sullivan/Diamond
As it is obvious Grady would prefer not to be involved in next year's DCC, I would love the opportunity to host the ring games. I can assure you that I will voice no complaints after the game either. (This is not to slight you Grady, but you have made it clear you have no desire to do so).
To watchez, I too agree that a single game all-in is rather unrewarding to the player who has dominated the match. I would rather play a final race to a certain number or even increase the value of each ball/game until such point that someone was all in. I believe this is preferential rather than make the player with $14,000 and the other with $4,000 even on the last game.
Either way, my offer to Diamond is a serious one that I would take great pleasure in accepting.
As it is obvious Grady would prefer not to be involved in next year's DCC, I would love the opportunity to host the ring games. I can assure you that I will voice no complaints after the game either. (This is not to slight you Grady, but you have made it clear you have no desire to do so).
To watchez, I too agree that a single game all-in is rather unrewarding to the player who has dominated the match. I would rather play a final race to a certain number or even increase the value of each ball/game until such point that someone was all in. I believe this is preferential rather than make the player with $14,000 and the other with $4,000 even on the last game.
Either way, my offer to Diamond is a serious one that I would take great pleasure in accepting.
satman said:
When the first restaurant used those, they probably also worried about theft, and you don't even have to pay an entry fee or give a last name to make a reservation at a restaurant.
So there may be practical ways to avoid losing devices. In any case, if announcing matches over the loudspeakers is really sharking the players, it's worth thinking outside the box about another way to do it.
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Grady said:
Grady, you don't owe anybody an explanation. Your credentials and track record speak for itself. :smile:
Life is too damn short to deal with the negative B.S. on this forum. No matter how you try to explain your stance, there will always be some crackpot who will try to belittle you and all of your great contributions to the sport. F*ck 'em, I say! Take care of you and yours FIRST because the majority of our American pool culture, quite frankly, don't give a damn about American legends of the sport. :frown:
1on1pooltournys said:THis is funny, sorry watchez but it is funny. I can picture you and Grady in the booth together.
It would be no contest. He can get the 7 and the snaps in the booth. And every time he calls me 'son', I want it in my contract that I get paid $100. He can get the orange crush in running the bank ring game. He got what he wanted - most likely free room at the DCC for running the ring game. Danny (and me and his other stakehorse) got the shaft (no offense Shannon, but the only way you could have won that year was for the gaff rules to go in effect). Shannon at least realized the situation and offered a saver but it should not come down to that. Someone name another sport or event that ends this way for the final match?
"Ok everyone, it has come down to two players - Danny with $12,000 in chips, Shannon with $4,000. Let's play one exciting game for all the money. Sorry Danny, those are the rules. Two and a half hours of the total 216 hours here at the DCC is all we get. Besides, I have to get up early in the morning for my 5 mile jog"
Did Danny play in the bank ring game this year? I saw him at the DCC but to be honest didn't pay one second attention to the ring game.
1on1pooltournys said:THis is funny, sorry watchez but it is funny. I can picture you and Grady in the booth together.
But they both must be wired for sound and broadcast to the crowd!
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Danny got sick and decided to only play the bankpool tournament and 14-1
I think with the help of Jay and Grady, the DCC could run great. I wasn't there and have no idea how it went, but giving Grady and Jay the opportunity to run the event would be a huge plus IMHO.
jay helfert said:
What is the current system in place?
I remember way back in the day, how they had that big lottery machine at the tournament desk, and each player had a ping pong ball with a number on it when they did the draw, and then the next year they had computerized it with some glitches, and i think the year after that, they had the computer draw, and people that were actually staying at the venue could check on the hotel channel, and see the draw and match times on their TV.
I'm curious to find out what changed if anything, or are they glitches that happen when events are in the overlapping stages or conflicting with specialty events?
Do tell.
Grady said:
Mr. Grady, are you implying that you did not get paid or compensated by Diamond for your services? It's just my guess, but hasn't Mr. Sullivan picked up your tabs in the past and more than likely this time too? (Isn't he Diamond enough for you
)Maybe you should check your expenses...
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Oh, since we are on the topic of talking about what was wrong with DCC, I would like to share my experience about the so called clinic you were in part with two other great players. I know there was a thread started earlier asking about the reviews and I purposely stayed out because I didn't want to say anything BAD!!! But since, we are talking about what's wrong with everybody else, you should know you are not as perfect as you think.
The class started at 9:00 am and that is crazy early for hardcore DCC fan-if you stay until wee hours into next day. However, I slapped myself silly several times to wake up and get to the class - filled with excitement.
I was told night before that for $100.00 you will learn from 3 greats in a small group of people, learning shots and techniques, so bring my cue. Well, I was 15 minutes late, and I couldn't even get into the door. The tiny room was packed with about 18 people and when one of the instructor suggested to come closer to the table to see how the shot was executed, everyone swarmed over. Me being a small and short person, I wasn't able to see anything. I spend the whole lesson standing on top of the chair hoping some ignorant person won't knock me over.
However, I appreciated the knowledge and skills that was explained to me... until you took the floor.
OK, I'm going to get "brutally' honest. You probably had all the good intent to give a good lesson, but I honestly can't remember you teaching anything. You set up same shots several times but could not execute it then you would change the subject by talking about the old stories...
I was pretty disappointed for the 2 hours I sat as I was hoping to pick up some knowledge from you, but all you did was talk about how much you at one time beat someone out of soooo much money
That was valuable 2 hours that I could had learned by watching one of many scheduled great match or just sleep! And that wouldn't had cost any money$$$ like your stories did!
So if you weren't at DCC, providing your service for nothing, do you really think 20 or so people would show up and pay $33.33 (I'm sure they split 1/3 of $100 per person) each to listen to your old stories?
You really think you can run a tournament with 1000 people? Do you realize Derby city's single elimination format - you have to redraw every round? Not only you have to wait until the last match is completed, but have to add on the re-buys?
I don't like being so honest to the point of being a *****, but you should really learn to speak the truth:angry:
Sunny
Edited to show it cost $33.33 per person to hear Grady's old stories.
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Holy balls dude. Did Grady wrong you in some way. How can you diss him like this. I was at the class too. I felt that Grady did the best he could with what he had. Unfortunately his shots weren't going in. I think that really got to him. He still showed some good shots though. His stories were told loud and clear. Anytime he would say something about himself, he would look at Danny or Freddy to get a confirmation nod so as to let the class know he was not making the story up.sunnyday said:Mr. Grady, are you implying that you did not get paid or compensated by Diamond for your services? It's just my guess, but hasn't Mr. Sullivan picked up your tabs in the past and more than likely this time too? (Isn't he Diamond enough for you
Maybe you should check your expenses...
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Oh, since we are on the topic of talking about what was wrong with DCC, I would like to share my experience about the so called clinic you were in part with two other great players. I know there was a thread started earlier asking about the reviews and I purposely stayed out because I didn't want to say anything BAD!!! But since, we are talking about what's wrong with everybody else, you should know you are not as perfect as you think.
The class started at 9:00 am and that is crazy early for hardcore DCC fan-if you stay until wee hours into next day. However, I slapped myself silly several times to wake up and get to the class - filled with excitement.
I was told night before that for $100.00 you will learn from 3 greats in a small group of people, learning shots and techniques, so bring my cue. Well, I was 15 minutes late, and I couldn't even get into the door. The tiny room was packed with about 18 people and when one of the instructor suggested to come closer to the table to see how the shot was executed, everyone swarmed over. Me being a small and short person, I wasn't able to see anything. I spend the whole lesson standing on top of the chair hoping some ignorant person won't knock me over.
However, I appreciated the knowledge and skills that was explained to me... until you took the floor.
OK, I'm going to get "brutally' honest. You probably had all the good intent to give a good lesson, but I honestly can't remember you teaching anything. You set up same shots several times but could not execute it then you would change the subject by talking about the old stories...
I was pretty disappointed for the 2 hours I sat as I was hoping to pick up some knowledge from you, but all you did was talk about how much you at one time beat someone out of soooo much money
That was valuable 2 hours that I could had learned by watching one of many scheduled great match or just sleep! And that wouldn't had cost any money$$$ like your stories did!
So if you weren't at DCC, providing your service for nothing, do you really think 20 or so people would show up and pay $33.33 (I'm sure they split 1/3) each to listen to your old stories?
You really think you can run a tournament with 1000 people? Do you realize Derby city's single elimination format - you have to redraw every round? Not only you have to wait until the last match is completed, but have to add on the re-buys?
I don't like being so honest to the point of being a *****, but you should really learn to speak the truth:angry:
Sunny
The door was locked because of the equipment in the room.(the straight pool room) They must have locked it up when the straight pool challenge was done for the night. The hotel staff was notified about the door at 8:40am by Freddy and I. It took the staff an ungodly amount of time to open it.
I think the class size was a bit large, and maybe I would have done some things different, but to bash one of the Legends that
were conducting it????????????
Honesty is a great policy only when someones feelings aren't being hurt.
Because Jam asked.
I directed 40 major tournaments without a single big problem and promoted 21 events with $15,000 added or more, not that that matters to some. You win, Watchez. I'm pretty much through here. I admit that I cannot take brutal, unfair criticism from the likes of you.
It's nobody's business what kind of arrangement I had with Diamond. Let's say I wasn't overpaid and leave it at that.
Anyone who would like to see the great pictures I plan to show and talk about, you will be able to find them at Onepocket.org. I'll be starting in a few days with Greg Stevens.
To all my supportive friends here, thanks.
I directed 40 major tournaments without a single big problem and promoted 21 events with $15,000 added or more, not that that matters to some. You win, Watchez. I'm pretty much through here. I admit that I cannot take brutal, unfair criticism from the likes of you.
It's nobody's business what kind of arrangement I had with Diamond. Let's say I wasn't overpaid and leave it at that.
Anyone who would like to see the great pictures I plan to show and talk about, you will be able to find them at Onepocket.org. I'll be starting in a few days with Greg Stevens.
To all my supportive friends here, thanks.
JAM said:
I don't know if I have the correct impression of your post. Maybe you thought I spoke rudely of Grady, I did not. He is a legend of the game, but he made it quite obvious that he felt Diamond and the DCC had taken advantage of him. It seems you may have meant to demean me and accuse that I might not be able to perform what I offered. If that is the case, I am sorry for dignifying it with a response. To give the benefit of the doubt, I will assume it was merely a legitimate question, so here is your answer:
JAM I have run a few tournaments in the South. Some with a large number of players with sponsors and added money and all ran in a professional and timely manner, but I was not offering to run a tournament.
Rather, I offered to organize, promote, and host a 6 man ring game (gambling). This is one thing in which I have more than a fair share of familiarity. I can also operate a computer system to correctly track player's chip count which is something that I have found lacking at the last two ring games at which I have been in attendance.
I feel that anyone who runs any pool event should do everything in there power to assure that proper scores are kept and player's money is handled fairly and honestly. Pool player's have a hard enough time making money on the road without having to overcome a $1500 swing in money due to an event organizers error.
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Are there any other pro players we can bash around here?
It's a new day today, maybe we can alienate Darren Appleton or Alex Lely.
Once we get rid of all the pro's maybe we should turn our sights on those pesky A players.
It's a new day today, maybe we can alienate Darren Appleton or Alex Lely.
Once we get rid of all the pro's maybe we should turn our sights on those pesky A players.
Grady said:
Nothing I said was not true. Period. I don't know how you can say my criticism is not fair.
I have explained to you how to make the bank ring game work and make it fair for the players. Maybe next year the NFL should make the Super Bowl champion be the first team to score in the game. It would save everyone a lot of time and the USA could get back to work and put some effort into this dying economy.
I have explained how your rules, yes your rules and your ring game, so you have to take the blame cost me and Danny H. $$$$$.
You state that you were only given 2 1/2 hours, period. Jay and Fatboy got plenty of hours for their 10 ball challenge and multiple tables to boot. I only was able to watch the first night, but it started at midnight and the final match of Ralf-Marcus ended at almost 4 AM. Jay - how did you persuade Greg to giving you so many tables and so many hours?
I have related to all that your complaint of table space had nothing to do with you losing in the one pocket as you played upstairs. Maybe Greg and his staff can state to you and everyone else the following - don't blame them for limited space that you complained about, they did not design the Horseshoe Casino and did not develop the pool table over hundred years ago to be 4 1/2 x 9. It is not their fault that tables in certain areas had to be close together.
You make it everyone's business when you accuse Diamond of not helping you in anyway and implying that what you have done in the past was for nothing in compensation.
I was right in my assumption that you got free room from Diamond for many years at the DCC. For two and a half hours of live work and probably two hours of pre tournament work in gathering up 4-6 players to get in your event. Greg Sullivan, you have my number. Give IBA (Daniel) a chance this year but if he fails please give me a call. I am not rich like Grady and would consider $1300 in hotel rooms free for 5 hours of work as being overpaid.
40 major tournaments is impressive. I know I am young and dumb and really don't know anything but the only tournament that comes to my mind is the one you had, I believe in Reno, where the entry fee was $1100 and last place paid $1000. The idea being that the casino would be happy that every pool player had $1000 in their pocket to blow in the casino. NOW THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. You should do more of these and less bank ring games.
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Cuebacca said:
Or using those Cell Phone dealies that everyone has. There are ten thousand programs online that allow you to send a text message to anyone. Many of them for free.
All they need is to have every player's cell number and just send out text messages. The player would still be responsible for checking in to see if their match was up BUT sending out text messages would help a LOT.
As for the issues, well, if they can't get it right in 9 years, then I doubt Grady could do it any worse. At least he does have a lot of tournament direction experience. To me what Greg "ought" to do is put together a brain trust of the best TD's in the land and get them to figure out a foolproof way to do it. I mean, look who is involved at various levels, Scott Smith, Grady Matthews, Mark Griffin, Jay Helfert, and I am SURE there are many others hanging out at the DCC with similar organizing experience.
I cannot stand ring games that don't play all the way out. Play it out as it started. Does any Poker tournament have a mandatory all-in requirement?
I absolutely HATED the ring game finals in Olathe. Play it out BY THE GAME until only one guy is left standing. Raise the bets on a set schedule and let it play out. That is the ONLY fair way to do it. The only way.
I absolutely HATED the ring game finals in Olathe. Play it out BY THE GAME until only one guy is left standing. Raise the bets on a set schedule and let it play out. That is the ONLY fair way to do it. The only way.
SUPERSTAR said:
The computer program went on the fritz, and got the draw all messed up. Players with two losses were still getting drawn back in. It was a disaster until they got that straightened out. There was no way you could watch the screen from your hotel room, and it was a long walk to the tournament area, so players had to just hang around until their match was up.
They said they had a system in place to start the next round of play before the current round was complete. But that never quite worked out either. I don't understand how they could do that anyway, until they knew who was buying back in. I think they need to totally rework the way these events are conducted, and I think I know a way that could be done.
I understand that the buy-backs pay the bills and help with the added money, so they are a necessary part of the tournament. I have an idea how they can generate money and not have buy-backs, but until they ask for my help I can't do anything. Bottom line, it's not my tournament, and Greg does it the way he wants to. It's just a very complicated procedure with the buy-backs, and always will be.
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