The Floor is Open... But, Banger need not apply

Your speed can fluctuate daily anyway. Especially if you don't have the time to play much. For example a person might play at a b+ speed one day and the very next day a c-. I don't know where you are but I figure you are probably somewhere around in that range. If you go into a competition expecting to compete at a b+ speed then you will have mental issues to deal with.

Just keep practicing to raise your top speed and also to become more consistent and lessen the gap between your top speed and an off day... but in the mean time accept that you are not your top gear all the time and don't go into every competition expecting to be.
 
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I play well enough to run a rack of 10 or 9 ball every time I step to the table.
It doesn't matter if Efren Reyes or Joe Banger is my opponent.
They can't win if they are sitting in the chair.
Play the table not the opponent.

No disrespect it's good information but I see it as basic and cliche information. What is being discussed here is the mental or emotional side of the game. Also I feel the that statement (again good advice) applies to other sports i.e. golf where ones opponent has literally no effect on their play. In pool one has to play his opponent cause he's up next, and he banks, kicks and plays jam up safeties like a MF. And that my friend IS something you need to consider when you are "playing the table"
 
What makes a pro a pro is the ability to hit with his practice stroke under pressure. Also this game is played on a 7 inch field, the space between your ears. I teach pool and beside learning proper fundamentals you must learn to think before you get down on the ball, never without a plan.
 
My problem is that I am more concerned about playing well than just winning, being out played is fine with me as long as I played well.

If someone wants to win more frequently here is some "programming" I'd consider changing.
 
Neil is 100% correct here! :thumbup: Confidence comes from understanding how your eyes, body and brain work together, and being able to perform under pressure. That ability is strengthened with accurate and repeatable fundamentals. After that certainly experience under pressure plays a larger role.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong.
 
I found a great sparing partner who I totally downed the first time

since then i've not been able to duplicate that game

you have partially answered your own question here.
Your first game, you played with no expectations, just trying to win.

After that win, you put extra pressure on yourself to duplicate that first win.

each person is different, but you have to find a way to recapture that original mid set, relax, stop putting extra pressure on yourself, just fire away like you did the first time.
 
Know how you do things

So last night I was too down to start this. Hopefully I'm over it
My question is:
For most of you how did you, when did you, did "time will tell", get over your emotional road block when competing?
I know some of you struggle with performance issues (lucky theres a pill for that) but really. Brining up your consistency when playing serious matches be it league or tourney, maybe even matching up and digging yourself out of a bad session.
My problem is that I am more concerned about playing well than just winning, being out played is fine with me as long as I played well. I've been working on my game and made great improvements over the past few months but yesterday I found myself down in a straight pool match after trading rack with a better player at the start. Once I found that I wasn't playing "my game" when opportunity was presented I was not able to capitalize on it and thus dug myself deeper into a hole. I know that I have the ability to put up a good fight but once I start to falter I can't seen to turn myself around and this can carry on throughout the rest of the day/night should I try to play someone else after in an attempt to pick myself up.

Did any of you find some way to work on this or were you able to notice when this had improved, oh and the first person to say "well you need to gamble more" is getting karate chopped in the throat cause there is no scientific evidence to back that up.

The simple answer is know how you do everything you do. There is a lot of trial and error that goes on finding that out but it can be done. The idea that you hit balls until you just know without any further clue doesn't do it for me unless you have a basis from which to work.
 
I play well enough to run a rack of 10 or 9 ball every time I step to the table.
It doesn't matter if Efren Reyes or Joe Banger is my opponent.
They can't win if they are sitting in the chair.
Play the table not the opponent.

That is easy to say and difficult to do - and is what separates the good from the great.
 
Your speed can fluctuate daily anyway. Especially if you don't have the time to play much. For example a person might play at a b+ speed one day and the very next day a c-. I don't know where you are but I figure you are probably somewhere around in that range. If you go into a competition expecting to compete at a b+ speed then you will have mental issues to deal with.

Just keep practicing to raise your top speed and also to become more consistent and lessen the gap between your top speed and an off day... but in the mean time accept that you are not your top gear all the time and don't go into every competition expecting to be.

I would listen to this guy, he also advises SVB on how to perform better
 
Competing...

Yes, learn your fundamentals inside and out. When you do that, you will have much more consistency. Only then can you gauge your game accurately. It will eliminate or almost eliminate those up and down periods.

When you intimately know your fundamentals, you will also know immediately what you did wrong, and exactly what to correct and how to correct it.

Correct... IMO the fundamentals need to be out of the way. Then it's SEASONING..
I.E. experience... and that comes from playing people a lot. The more you're in action,
the more experience you'll get.. ( "I've shot this shot before... routine").
There's no replacement for playing a lot... you'll start to move better, and stop over-thinking all the miniscule stuff.

Having said that, I do think some top players in every sport have a little something extra in the mental game... being able to tune out everything around them and stay in the 'zone'. Think about the top players competing in a televised match with camera guys in their sight line, and a hundred people watching their every move.

My two cents...
 
Fundamentals aren't the reason you fold under pressure. Inexperience is the reason. Once you play enough high pressure matches you will eventually prove to yourself that you can win regardless of the circumstance. Once you know what you're capable of you will believe in yourself and that's all it takes.

A little self confidence goes a long way. Whether you gamble or not you need to stick yourself in high pressure situations and learn to pull through. Good luck!

I must respectfully disagree with this.
Nothing will help you more than good solid fundamentals in the heat of battle. You need rock solid fundamentals to fall back on when your nerves start getting ahold of you in pressure situations.
 
No disrespect it's good information but I see it as basic and cliche information. What is being discussed here is the mental or emotional side of the game. Also I feel the that statement (again good advice) applies to other sports i.e. golf where ones opponent has literally no effect on their play. In pool one has to play his opponent cause he's up next, and he banks, kicks and plays jam up safeties like a MF. And that my friend IS something you need to consider when you are "playing the table"

What I meant to say was that if I break and run out it doesn't matter who is in the chair. They cant win.
Of course banks,kicks,safes matter if you let the other guy to the table.
 
I'll chime in a little from my own experience. When I first started playing tournaments at the level where I *should* have been winning sometimes I kept coming up short. I probably got second place 6 or 7 times in a row.

I realized that, just like shooting a shot over and over, I had to just keep trying and putting myself in that position. I think a mistake I, and many others, make is that we look at it as pass/fail. won/lost. Getting second is no better than 2 and out. In fact, I've heard players say they would rather go 2 and out that get 2nd place. WTH?

I started approaching it as practice. Practice on how to win the finals. It gave me a sense of detachment. After the finals if I lost I would say, ok, what did I do better? Why did I lose? If I won I would ask myself why I won? What could I still improve on? How can I win more final matches?

It wasn't very long after that that I broke through and won 11 tournaments in a 14 day stretch.

Because I learned some things that helped me win, not only finals matches, but all matches. I feel like I get more out of my game, pound for pound, than anybody. I feel like I can routinely beat players who are 2 or 3 levels better than I am. That is such an empowering belief. Even though, logically, it's false. It just gives me the confidence to be focused and patient and find ways to win.

And yes, of course I lose, a lot. Especially now that I'm not playing much anymore...but I win a lot of matches that I *shouldn't* now instead of losing a lot of matches that I *should*.

In your situation. I would treat every match - even for money - as practice. Just like you practice shots. Just like you practice patterns. Practice winning. Activate your brain into thinking about how you can win and specific things you can do to win. And then after the match - win or lose - take the emotion out and look objectively at what you did. Ask yourself good quality questions like "How can I win more matches?" instead of "Why am I such a loser?" You are a great practice player. So practice playing matches. Practice winning. You won't get it on your first try. Or your 15th maybe. But you will get it.
 
My first time at playing a big Tournament in 2001, after returning to Pool in 1999, I had read a lot of books & one thing got my attention. So I wrote that phrase in the palm of my hand, so I would see it every time I chalked my cue. 71 matches later, I won the prize.

"One shot at a time"... yep that's it, but in reality that's all anyone can do. Living in the moment, rather than worrying about the entire event or a shot you missed 10 minutes ago, will get it done.

Another example could be this. You can't build a house in one day. Concentrating on each task will insure the house gets built & built well.

71 matches? how many people were in it?
 
I wrote up a long response to this but I think it will serve you better to read the first chapter or two of the book "The Magician's Way" by William Whitecloud. I first read this book when it was recommended to me by a psychology/life coaching mentor of mine.

It is a phenomenal book in general but the first few chapters will really open your eyes.
 
Golly, we all go through the same ups and downs. Go easy on yourself.

There are three areas that we can fail in: Physical, Mental & Physiological.

PHYSICAL: Maybe a good instructor can help here.
MENTALY: Make sure your Three (3) Pre-Shot Routines are correct.
ATTITUDE & APPTITUDE: Can I? Do I want to?

Winning is a journey not the destination.

randyg
 
the first line of your post tells the story

So last night I was too down to start this. Hopefully I'm over it

My question is:
For most of you how did you, when did you, did "time will tell", get over your emotional road block when competing?



I started winning when I wasn't supposed to a long long time ago when I was a typical insecure selfconscious young teenager. While terms like self confidence can be used I have always preferred ego. Ego makes it plain that the feeling(s) can be separate from performance and what is happening around you.

Right now for whatever reason you have a pretty large dent in your ego. The first line of your post revealed that. People with healthy egos don't get down on themselves for longer than moments. Miss a shot or blow shape? Accept it, acknowledge it was a dumb move but then finish the thought with "but that isn't me". The errors are the exception, the quality play is the norm.

You say you play very well at times so I suspect your pool game is pretty sound. No sense doing endless drills when you can go to the source of your problem. When you wake up in the morning, say out loud "I am a winner!" Say it three or four times solidly and with conviction. Every time you pass by a mirror, stop, look yourself in the eye, and tell yourself you are a winner. Can say you are a champion or whatever cranks your tractor but say it with conviction. I'll let a silent statement repeated for a minute or two be OK if you are where you will get locked up for talking to yourself out loud. Talking out loud and/or writing statements has far more power than just thoughts though so always try to do one or the other many times a day.

Write three positive statements about yourself that are true. Write another that isn't true now but can be true in the near future. When you make it true substitute another statement that should be true and you can make true.

You have convinced your unconscious that you can't handle pressure. Now you have to convince it you can. Do this with positive statements, saying them, writing them, listening to them, over and over until you know deep in your core that you are a winner who can call up your skills at will. Tell yourself that you thrive on pressure and are at your best in tough conditions.

You should be able to go into competition mode when you pick up your stick for your inning and be able to drop out of competition mode every time you set your stick down after an inning, which is something you should get in the habit of doing. No expectations while the other player is at the table, watch with enough interest to keep up with what is going on, no more. You are just a spectator. Unless you are on a very tight shot clock you can assess what good and harm has been done to the pattern once you are back at the table.

When you are playing poorly I strongly suspect you aren't really visualizing the shot before shooting. Before shooting, try to see the shot, the cue ball leaving the tip and striking the object ball. The exact paths and speeds of the two balls until the object ball is pocketed and the cue ball stops in the position you wanted it to. Take an extra moment to really lock in to where you want the cue ball to stop at, not an area, a spot on the table no bigger than the contact patch of the cue ball. Feel preshot routine, the impact as the stick hits the cue ball, the followthrough. Hear the collisions. Try to smell the chalk dust and powder in the air. The more fully you can imagine the shot before shooting it the more likely you are to get exactly the results you want. Start the visualization with settling into the shot and play it through until the balls stop in real time. With practice you get better and better at the whole visualization thing.

Your weakness at the moment is in your emotional game. You will get the fastest results working on it directly. This is one place you can genuinely "fake it before you make it." Almost impossible for anything good to happen until you really believe in yourself deep inside. Almost guaranteed that good will happen when you really expect it to.

Hu
 
I can't disagree with any of what has been said, and it's all been great positive info, feels like i'm talking to one of the older folks that I look up to in person.

I've learnt some things reading your comments and realized some things also. Some of those things I knew but this was more of a refresher course others I needed to hear.

I know that time is what rules all but I've just been bother because time has passed and i've seen improvement in other departments but not there. I totally agree that I can't expect to perform under pressure have not see it on a regular basis. I truly need to find some way of viewing myself as being less than I think I am, no, not selling myself short but I need to be honest with myself as to where my "consistent" speed is and stop trying to view myself as my top speed. The difficult part of that last statement is that I am better in my head (due to exposure and experience to an extent) than I am on the table, kind of like that fat coach we had growing up who can't do the things he ask of us but surly has the knowledge to teach one on how to do it. I need to set lower expectations for myself which would reduce the pressure of to high a bar when i'm playing, this is something I tell people to do when practicing so that there is less disappointment when one fails and more satisfaction should one exceed those expectations.

I'll continue to practice (nothings going to stop that, i love it) and bring my percentage up which in turn will reduce my errors, find a way to get into more pressure situations (like paying the weaker players when I lose rather than just playing since they don't gamble) stop taking those hormone pills and start back take testosterone, I WAS going to do the change so I could play in womens tourney's (JOKE) and pretty much accept my weaker speed as who I am and not try to rate myself based on my top speed, not yet anyway, until i can bring up my consistency. Sounds like a plan?
 
So basically what you guys are saying is I need to find this guy inside of me, lol
 

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I can't disagree with any of what has been said, and it's all been great positive info, feels like i'm talking to one of the older folks that I look up to in person.

I've learnt some things reading your comments and realized some things also. Some of those things I knew but this was more of a refresher course others I needed to hear.

I know that time is what rules all but I've just been bother because time has passed and i've seen improvement in other departments but not there. I totally agree that I can't expect to perform under pressure have not see it on a regular basis. I truly need to find some way of viewing myself as being less than I think I am, no, not selling myself short but I need to be honest with myself as to where my "consistent" speed is and stop trying to view myself as my top speed. The difficult part of that last statement is that I am better in my head (due to exposure and experience to an extent) than I am on the table, kind of like that fat coach we had growing up who can't do the things he ask of us but surly has the knowledge to teach one on how to do it. I need to set lower expectations for myself which would reduce the pressure of to high a bar when i'm playing, this is something I tell people to do when practicing so that there is less disappointment when one fails and more satisfaction should one exceed those expectations.

I'll continue to practice (nothings going to stop that, i love it) and bring my percentage up which in turn will reduce my errors, find a way to get into more pressure situations (like paying the weaker players when I lose rather than just playing since they don't gamble) stop taking those hormone pills and start back take testosterone, I WAS going to do the change so I could play in womens tourney's (JOKE) and pretty much accept my weaker speed as who I am and not try to rate myself based on my top speed, not yet anyway, until i can bring up my consistency. Sounds like a plan?

Pressure is only what you put there. The easiest thing to do is just not put that pressure on yourself to start with. The last big open we had in town was won by a basement player. He came out to see how he would do, and entered in the highest brackets. He went undefeated.

All he did is what he knew he could do. See the shot, make the shot, get position. He never put any pressure on himself to win. Pressure is nothing more than a short circuit of your proper mental fundamentals. It doesn't belong in the game. Worrying about winning never helped anyone. It only hurts ones game. You just need to learn to give each shot the 100% respect it deserves, then after it's all over, look at your performance objectively and see what needs improvement.

Second to last big tournament here, I won. I had to be defeated twice in the finals. I lost the first set and was down like 5-1 or something the second set in a race to 9. I never once thought about the score. Just waited for my turn at the table. Eventually, I got a turn, and just focused on each shot, trying to play it to perfection to the best I could. I ended up winning, and when the final ball dropped, I just kind of stood there, and thought, now what, no one left to play. Took about ten minutes to refocus on anything outside the table, and experience any joy of winning it.
 
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