The Missing Gene....HEART!

JonTravisTaylor

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSM1mvMypWU

Where is it? Is it completely gone from our world? I don’t think so; it’s just very rare to see…
I’m in a random pool hall, I just walked in and nobody knows me, there is a young guy running a million balls on a Pro Diamond, I ask for a game…”I’ll call a guy, I know somebody”, I tell him I am not looking to make anybody’s rent payment I just want to play, I like cheap one pocket…20 a game, I would even play for 5 or 10, I just want to play…”I can’t right now, but I will call a guy”. I wait around about 90 mins., hit some on the Diamond, getting the feel of the table, when finally this kid shows up. He is about 20 years my junior, breaks out a SW, and says to me he will play some one pocket for 100 a game but he wants to get 10-7. I just laugh. I tell him I am just wanting to play cheap, and we can play even. He comes back with “cheap is not worth the time, and I don’t know you so I need 10-7”. I laugh again and tell him FU, I don’t know you either, and since they got you on speed dial you should give me 10-7. He refuses, then proceeds to walk around, talking to everybody that will listen, while watching me practice…this goes on for another hour. Finally he comes over and starts whining about needing something…I told him he’s right…he needs some HEART! I tell him that kids like him is the reason I quit playing for 10 years. It seems everybody wants the stone cold nuts before they risk a dime. He finally relents and says he can play but for no less than 50, I lose 4 games right off the bat. He is a great shot maker, but a poor mover. I feel like I should beat him if I tighten up and quit leaving him risk/reward shots because he keeps making them! It’s his break, I am stuck 200, and I ask him if he wants to double the bet. He agrees, I change my tactics, and I beat him 6 out of 7…let the flood gates open, the crying starts and he wants 10-7 again. I did not run over this kid, all those games were very close, usually coming down to the last 2 balls. Needless to say we never could agree on a spot, and that makes me a “F’ng Hustler”.
I was never a hustler. When I grew up, the way I learned to play is I practiced a million hours and would play ANYBODY. I walked into pool halls from Michigan to Texas, from Tennessee to Wyoming and pretty much all the states in between. I would walk straight up to the counter, request a rack of balls and ask who the best player in the room was. Then I went and respectfully asked him to play. We gambled but it wasn’t huge but it did allow us to keep score  I NEVER beat them…I was never the best, but I always learned something to make me better. I always learned who the next player down the rung was and then I would go play them…usually within a few matches I knew where I was on the food chain. This enabled me to adjust my wagering accordingly so that the trip wasn’t a complete bust.
I was exposed to the stigma and derision from my family due to my choices growing up. It is up to us to change the way pool is viewed. We have to make sure up and comers realize that pool; 99.9 % of the time is a PASSION, not a livelihood. Just look at the number of broke champions out there! Show a little heart and some class. Be willing to bet smaller to help educate, or better yet to learn. I once had 20 dollars to my name and I ran into a certified champion, and he played me one-pocket for 1.00 a game. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME! Certainly not because he needed my last 20.
We all know that the vast majority of us will not get rich playing pool. But if we are lucky we can help mold the way our industry is looked at, help to build champions whose CORE beliefs are Honesty and Integrity. We could learn a lot from the PGA and its affiliates. If you are fortunate enough to be able to play this game I hope you have the same types of memories and experiences that kept me coming back. Along the way I have lost thousands, but I would not trade it in a second. There was a Professor, the Magician, The Rocket, The Cannon, Banks, Bugs, The Freezer, Shorty’s, and more “Little _ _ _’s” than I can count. All great players. All enriched my life, even if not my wallet…
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSM1mvMypWU

Where is it? Is it completely gone from our world? I don’t think so; it’s just very rare to see…
I’m in a random pool hall, I just walked in and nobody knows me, there is a young guy running a million balls on a Pro Diamond, I ask for a game…”I’ll call a guy, I know somebody”, I tell him I am not looking to make anybody’s rent payment I just want to play, I like cheap one pocket…20 a game, I would even play for 5 or 10, I just want to play…”I can’t right now, but I will call a guy”. I wait around about 90 mins., hit some on the Diamond, getting the feel of the table, when finally this kid shows up. He is about 20 years my junior, breaks out a SW, and says to me he will play some one pocket for 100 a game but he wants to get 10-7. I just laugh. I tell him I am just wanting to play cheap, and we can play even. He comes back with “cheap is not worth the time, and I don’t know you so I need 10-7”. I laugh again and tell him FU, I don’t know you either, and since they got you on speed dial you should give me 10-7. He refuses, then proceeds to walk around, talking to everybody that will listen, while watching me practice…this goes on for another hour. Finally he comes over and starts whining about needing something…I told him he’s right…he needs some HEART! I tell him that kids like him is the reason I quit playing for 10 years. It seems everybody wants the stone cold nuts before they risk a dime. He finally relents and says he can play but for no less than 50, I lose 4 games right off the bat. He is a great shot maker, but a poor mover. I feel like I should beat him if I tighten up and quit leaving him risk/reward shots because he keeps making them! It’s his break, I am stuck 200, and I ask him if he wants to double the bet. He agrees, I change my tactics, and I beat him 6 out of 7…let the flood gates open, the crying starts and he wants 10-7 again. I did not run over this kid, all those games were very close, usually coming down to the last 2 balls. Needless to say we never could agree on a spot, and that makes me a “F’ng Hustler”.
I was never a hustler. When I grew up, the way I learned to play is I practiced a million hours and would play ANYBODY. I walked into pool halls from Michigan to Texas, from Tennessee to Wyoming and pretty much all the states in between. I would walk straight up to the counter, request a rack of balls and ask who the best player in the room was. Then I went and respectfully asked him to play. We gambled but it wasn’t huge but it did allow us to keep score  I NEVER beat them…I was never the best, but I always learned something to make me better. I always learned who the next player down the rung was and then I would go play them…usually within a few matches I knew where I was on the food chain. This enabled me to adjust my wagering accordingly so that the trip wasn’t a complete bust.
I was exposed to the stigma and derision from my family due to my choices growing up. It is up to us to change the way pool is viewed. We have to make sure up and comers realize that pool; 99.9 % of the time is a PASSION, not a livelihood. Just look at the number of broke champions out there! Show a little heart and some class. Be willing to bet smaller to help educate, or better yet to learn. I once had 20 dollars to my name and I ran into a certified champion, and he played me one-pocket for 1.00 a game. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME! Certainly not because he needed my last 20.
We all know that the vast majority of us will not get rich playing pool. But if we are lucky we can help mold the way our industry is looked at, help to build champions whose CORE beliefs are Honesty and Integrity. We could learn a lot from the PGA and its affiliates. If you are fortunate enough to be able to play this game I hope you have the same types of memories and experiences that kept me coming back. Along the way I have lost thousands, but I would not trade it in a second. There was a Professor, the Magician, The Rocket, The Cannon, Banks, Bugs, The Freezer, Shorty’s, and more “Little _ _ _’s” than I can count. All great players. All enriched my life, even if not my wallet…


What great post. Really enjoyed it.

I get around the country a bit nowadays and pretty much do the same thing: look for the local action room and offer to play anyone for $10 or $20 and often encountered the same scenario. Twice I have had people from a distance video or photo me with their phones because they didn't want to get out of line for $20. Few will step up and play for the love of the game, learn something, pay their dues, or just plain take their chances.

Lou Figueroa
 
Most poolrooms have turned into rooms for the weekenders. Prices are outright robbery. Anything more than 3$ an hour during the day is unreal for most places. If the poolroom has really good equipment than I can see uping the price a little more....but not by much. That's whats killing the pool player. Expenses. No other sport charges more than pool to get really good at. Basketball, you can just go to a gym or playground and dunk on someone. Baseball and football forget about it....they rule the world. If you are spotted by a scout you're set. Pool, you get weenies and half off your pool time. What's to love about this crap? Then there is everyone else trying to make a buck.
 
I don't disagree with what you have said, though I have found that some halls will greatly discount the good players during their daylight practice time. On the same token I have also seen some that would discount youth or women if they were showing more than just a budding interest in the game. Most will also open up the bar boxes for an hourly rate...this goes back to my point though that it is up to US! Pool hall owners should be willing and strive to do this as it helps to ensure the future of our game. Much like the PGA and their youth programs enabling kids to play for 1.00 a day and providing pracitce clubs. Those same kids are now grown and paying exorbant prices to play thier game of choice.
 
I will second that the deep discount for serious players practicing still exists lots of places.... When I was traveling every week I had rooms all over the south east that let me practice for free until I had someone to play with...

The Bailey's here in town used to either not charge me or at most it was half price even on busy nights... They promoted the GM to regional and the new GM is all about the bottom line... They tried to stick me with over $100 pool tab one night by adding everyone who played a game to the table and removing none of them......

Food and Beverage I was good for $1200 a month to them since it was my home.... The free pool was enough for me to spend all of my free time there and a decent portion of my disposable income... When they started charging me full price and even overcharging I headed for the hills... Not been in over 10 months... wonder if corporate is missing that 12k from the bottom line yet.......
 
In my experience, people often use the 'get some heart and play' line when theyt have the best of it. If you think it through, it is often a win-win for one who does it, he has the best of the matchup and the bet amount is usually higher.

And re TX:
So, you don't think the guy you played needed a little weight?
I ask him if he wants to double the bet. He agrees, I change my tactics, and I beat him 6 out of 7…
Reads like the definition of 'better', to me.

If you had brought a little more heart out you might have won a little something...you know- thell um 'you got that 10-7, 4 ahead for 1k'...whutwhut?!
 
...Basketball, you can just go to a gym or playground and dunk on someone....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSM1mvMypWU

Where is it? Is it completely gone from our world? I don’t think so; it’s just very rare to see…
I’m in a random pool hall, I just walked in and nobody knows me, there is a young guy running a million balls on a Pro Diamond, I ask for a game…”I’ll call a guy, I know somebody”, I tell him I am not looking to make anybody’s rent payment I just want to play, I like cheap one pocket…20 a game, I would even play for 5 or 10, I just want to play…”I can’t right now, but I will call a guy”. I wait around about 90 mins., hit some on the Diamond, getting the feel of the table, when finally this kid shows up. He is about 20 years my junior, breaks out a SW, and says to me he will play some one pocket for 100 a game but he wants to get 10-7. I just laugh. I tell him I am just wanting to play cheap, and we can play even. He comes back with “cheap is not worth the time, and I don’t know you so I need 10-7”. I laugh again and tell him FU, I don’t know you either, and since they got you on speed dial you should give me 10-7. He refuses, then proceeds to walk around, talking to everybody that will listen, while watching me practice…this goes on for another hour. Finally he comes over and starts whining about needing something…I told him he’s right…he needs some HEART! I tell him that kids like him is the reason I quit playing for 10 years. It seems everybody wants the stone cold nuts before they risk a dime. He finally relents and says he can play but for no less than 50, I lose 4 games right off the bat. He is a great shot maker, but a poor mover. I feel like I should beat him if I tighten up and quit leaving him risk/reward shots because he keeps making them! It’s his break, I am stuck 200, and I ask him if he wants to double the bet. He agrees, I change my tactics, and I beat him 6 out of 7…let the flood gates open, the crying starts and he wants 10-7 again. I did not run over this kid, all those games were very close, usually coming down to the last 2 balls. Needless to say we never could agree on a spot, and that makes me a “F’ng Hustler”.
I was never a hustler. When I grew up, the way I learned to play is I practiced a million hours and would play ANYBODY. I walked into pool halls from Michigan to Texas, from Tennessee to Wyoming and pretty much all the states in between. I would walk straight up to the counter, request a rack of balls and ask who the best player in the room was. Then I went and respectfully asked him to play. We gambled but it wasn’t huge but it did allow us to keep score  I NEVER beat them…I was never the best, but I always learned something to make me better. I always learned who the next player down the rung was and then I would go play them…usually within a few matches I knew where I was on the food chain. This enabled me to adjust my wagering accordingly so that the trip wasn’t a complete bust.
I was exposed to the stigma and derision from my family due to my choices growing up. It is up to us to change the way pool is viewed. We have to make sure up and comers realize that pool; 99.9 % of the time is a PASSION, not a livelihood. Just look at the number of broke champions out there! Show a little heart and some class. Be willing to bet smaller to help educate, or better yet to learn. I once had 20 dollars to my name and I ran into a certified champion, and he played me one-pocket for 1.00 a game. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME! Certainly not because he needed my last 20.
We all know that the vast majority of us will not get rich playing pool. But if we are lucky we can help mold the way our industry is looked at, help to build champions whose CORE beliefs are Honesty and Integrity. We could learn a lot from the PGA and its affiliates. If you are fortunate enough to be able to play this game I hope you have the same types of memories and experiences that kept me coming back. Along the way I have lost thousands, but I would not trade it in a second. There was a Professor, the Magician, The Rocket, The Cannon, Banks, Bugs, The Freezer, Shorty’s, and more “Little _ _ _’s” than I can count. All great players. All enriched my life, even if not my wallet…


You may not have intended to be a hustler but I bet you sure looked like one to him. You lose the first 4 and then double the bet. Then you come back and beat him 6 of 7 and then still don't want to give up a spot.

If that happened to me, I would be pretty sure the guy hustled me.

Look at it from his perspective and you might see it differently.

Leagueguy
 
I enjoyed your post.

I've been playing and loving the game for about 50 yrs now. I owned an 18 table room for a while and the first thought that comes to my mind when I read your post was the phrase "passion for the game". True passion for something, anything, doesn't attach a prerequisite of gamble to play at it IMO.

All I've ever seen from gambling at pool is a good person morphing into a wise ass.(very common side effect).

A meek and honest person being taken advantage of.

Players bad mouth and talk about another player behind their back once they have gone and the session is over. (They may do this for months.)

Two or more persons who were friends end up in a fight, be it verbal or physical, and a friendship ends, or .... at the very best ....

Back and forth play until neither can feel comfortable with the spot one way or the other, their meetings to play become more and more infrequent, and they eventually stop playing together, and now two people have lost someone to play with.

So, I too have a passion for the game. I need about 200 grand to get out of debt, but, I don't need anyone's 50 bucks, 20 bucks, or even 1 buck at the expense of any of the above scenarios. I just enjoy the game, have no trouble playing for the sport of it, and unless it's a ring game of some sort, (which I feel is entirely different), I see absolutely no upside to gambling at it. Just my opinion.

I don't go to poolrooms much these days, but the only gamble I'd make, and play my guts out to win at is that if I win, they shut that frigging jukebox off with a sledge hammer. :thumbup:
 
my point was I didnt know...he was the "known" player while I was just killing some time while in town on business...I was perfectly willing to bet 10 bucks just to play and then cover the time if I won...you should be willing to risk a little to gain somee knowledge and adjust form there. 10-7 was too much weight, I offered 9-8 alternate breaks or even with him breaking, he still said no. Then he stated I had no gamble because I wasn't willing to give him 3 balls. I offered him to flip a coin for any or all of the money he had lost, he said no way! I then told him I would match it with my own money, (essentially giving him 2 to 1) and he still said no. This is a guy who I'm sure plays 6-10 hours a day, while I play 6-10 hours a month. 10 one pocket is enough to play, have a good time, and not get hurt. He wanted the nuts from the start, and i think that is bad for the game. I tried telling them I did not want to make anybody's rent check, but at the same time OF COURSE you are going to play tighter and take fewer chances @ 100 per game...
 
my point was I didnt know...he was the "known" player while I was just killing some time while in town on business...I was perfectly willing to bet 10 bucks just to play and then cover the time if I won...you should be willing to risk a little to gain somee knowledge and adjust form there. 10-7 was too much weight, I offered 9-8 alternate breaks or even with him breaking, he still said no. Then he stated I had no gamble because I wasn't willing to give him 3 balls. I offered him to flip a coin for any or all of the money he had lost, he said no way! I then told him I would match it with my own money, (essentially giving him 2 to 1) and he still said no. This is a guy who I'm sure plays 6-10 hours a day, while I play 6-10 hours a month. 10 one pocket is enough to play, have a good time, and not get hurt. He wanted the nuts from the start, and i think that is bad for the game. I tried telling them I did not want to make anybody's rent check, but at the same time OF COURSE you are going to play tighter and take fewer chances @ 100 per game...

What does the background story have to do with it? You play better than that dude, plain and simple. Ya done beat him down and then came on here complainig he wouldn't stand up for more!

He certainly had a major role in the happenings, maybe greater than yours, but you still play better than he.
 
I am not complaining...just posting an observation...and to quote J. Croce...

Uptown got it's huslters
The bowery got it's bums
42nd street got Big Jim Walker
He's a pool shooting son of a gun....

Big Jim got his hat
Find out where it's at
And its not hustlin' people strange to you
Even if you do got a two-piece custom made pool cue!


I guess the moral is...

Don't pull out a 2500.00 custom cue and the first thing you do is ask for some weight!

So respectfully, Black-Balled, I will agree to disagree ;)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSM1mvMypWU

Where is it? Is it completely gone from our world? I don’t think so; it’s just very rare to see…
I’m in a random pool hall, I just walked in and nobody knows me, there is a young guy running a million balls on a Pro Diamond, I ask for a game…”I’ll call a guy, I know somebody”, I tell him I am not looking to make anybody’s rent payment I just want to play, I like cheap one pocket…20 a game, I would even play for 5 or 10, I just want to play…”I can’t right now, but I will call a guy”. I wait around about 90 mins., hit some on the Diamond, getting the feel of the table, when finally this kid shows up. He is about 20 years my junior, breaks out a SW, and says to me he will play some one pocket for 100 a game but he wants to get 10-7. I just laugh. I tell him I am just wanting to play cheap, and we can play even. He comes back with “cheap is not worth the time, and I don’t know you so I need 10-7”. I laugh again and tell him FU, I don’t know you either, and since they got you on speed dial you should give me 10-7. He refuses, then proceeds to walk around, talking to everybody that will listen, while watching me practice…this goes on for another hour. Finally he comes over and starts whining about needing something…I told him he’s right…he needs some HEART! I tell him that kids like him is the reason I quit playing for 10 years. It seems everybody wants the stone cold nuts before they risk a dime. He finally relents and says he can play but for no less than 50, I lose 4 games right off the bat. He is a great shot maker, but a poor mover. I feel like I should beat him if I tighten up and quit leaving him risk/reward shots because he keeps making them! It’s his break, I am stuck 200, and I ask him if he wants to double the bet. He agrees, I change my tactics, and I beat him 6 out of 7…let the flood gates open, the crying starts and he wants 10-7 again. I did not run over this kid, all those games were very close, usually coming down to the last 2 balls. Needless to say we never could agree on a spot, and that makes me a “F’ng Hustler”.
I was never a hustler. When I grew up, the way I learned to play is I practiced a million hours and would play ANYBODY. I walked into pool halls from Michigan to Texas, from Tennessee to Wyoming and pretty much all the states in between. I would walk straight up to the counter, request a rack of balls and ask who the best player in the room was. Then I went and respectfully asked him to play. We gambled but it wasn’t huge but it did allow us to keep score  I NEVER beat them…I was never the best, but I always learned something to make me better. I always learned who the next player down the rung was and then I would go play them…usually within a few matches I knew where I was on the food chain. This enabled me to adjust my wagering accordingly so that the trip wasn’t a complete bust.
I was exposed to the stigma and derision from my family due to my choices growing up. It is up to us to change the way pool is viewed. We have to make sure up and comers realize that pool; 99.9 % of the time is a PASSION, not a livelihood. Just look at the number of broke champions out there! Show a little heart and some class. Be willing to bet smaller to help educate, or better yet to learn. I once had 20 dollars to my name and I ran into a certified champion, and he played me one-pocket for 1.00 a game. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME! Certainly not because he needed my last 20.
We all know that the vast majority of us will not get rich playing pool. But if we are lucky we can help mold the way our industry is looked at, help to build champions whose CORE beliefs are Honesty and Integrity. We could learn a lot from the PGA and its affiliates. If you are fortunate enough to be able to play this game I hope you have the same types of memories and experiences that kept me coming back. Along the way I have lost thousands, but I would not trade it in a second. There was a Professor, the Magician, The Rocket, The Cannon, Banks, Bugs, The Freezer, Shorty’s, and more “Little _ _ _’s” than I can count. All great players. All enriched my life, even if not my wallet…

What's the youtube link? I got a few viruses from opening links and don't want another. I mean my little bro keeps going to these porn sites and I don't want another virus. Can't blame me.
 
I am not complaining...just posting an observation...and to quote J. Croce...

Uptown got it's huslters
The bowery got it's bums
42nd street got Big Jim Walker
He's a pool shooting son of a gun....

Big Jim got his hat
Find out where it's at
And its not hustlin' people strange to you
Even if you do got a two-piece custom made pool cue!


I guess the moral is...

Don't pull out a 2500.00 custom cue and the first thing you do is ask for some weight!

So respectfully, Black-Balled, I will agree to disagree ;)

i guess you do disagree! You got the best of the matchup and you want to goad him into betting more. I'd do the same.

And anyway, you are JonTravisTaylor, not Jim Walker!.
 
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