The only guy to be allowe free entry into the world pool championships

[Hail Mary Shot]

There was a time not so long ago that the people who are making such derogatory comments about a prince would end up in a river or a dungeon, regretting any word they had spoken or written. I would suggest that none of these people ever chance to travel to Brunei even today...

Jaden

Fortunately, such powers only exist on one's own domain. either way can also be said of the prince. he can't go out of his domain without the protection of his bodyguards. the price you have to pay for being royalty.
speaking of which, such punishment still exists in the middle east region, particularly Saudi Arabia. neither most of those people have the luxury of travelling out of their comfort zone without fear of what people of different culture would do to them.

 

[gopi-1]

For what's all been said and done, pure "love of the game" doesn't earn you the right to be in a tournament, specially a World Championship tournament. Pool should set up their playing standards high like any other sport. Tennis' Davis Cup is a prime example, not all countries can play in Division 1. They have to go through Regionals, like any other member countries. You have to earn your place if you want to be one of the higher echelons. The World Cup for Soccer, Little League Baseball Championships, the Candidate's match in Chess and a lot of other diciplines.

Now, if I may ask, how come the prince got a wild card pass while a past champion like Efren Reyes didn't? Will a Prince give more prestige to a POOL tournament than Efren?

 

[alstl]

For what's all been said and done, pure "love of the game" doesn't earn you the right to be in a tournament, specially a World Championship tournament. Pool should set up their playing standards high like any other sport. Tennis' Davis Cup is a prime example, not all countries can play in Division 1. They have to go through Regionals, like any other member countries. You have to earn your place if you want to be one of the higher echelons. The World Cup for Soccer, Little League Baseball Championships, the Candidate's match in Chess and a lot of other diciplines.

Now, if I may ask, how come the prince got a wild card pass while a past champion like Efren Reyes didn't? Will a Prince give more prestige to a POOL tournament than Efren?

If I was going to guess I'd say he made a donation to someone's favorite charity. Money talks, b s walks.

 

[bandido]

If I was going to guess I'd say he made a donation to someone's favorite charity. Money talks, b s walks.

You're not referring to Efren as the b s here right? Are you sure you used the right saying?

 

[JAM]

For what's all been said and done, pure "love of the game" doesn't earn you the right to be in a tournament, specially a World Championship tournament. Pool should set up their playing standards high like any other sport....

I hear what you are saying, but this happens in United States today.

Promoters get sanctioned by the WPA and they then can invite whoever they desire to compete in their so-called "world championship."

I won't name names, but I think anybody who has read this forum in the past year or two will know which world championship tournaments on American soil I am referring to.

JAM

 

[Island Drive]

Years ago at the McDermott Masters in Vegas I had a match called and my opponent was Steve Mizerak. The tournament directors were informed of his no show and took it upon themselve to reschedule the called match with no forfeit. I'm not blaming Steve, tho I think he should of accepted defeat because of HIS mistake. I know I would not of been given the same option and would NOT feel right with that outcome, its just wrong. It's no different than excessive player tantrums and the director not taking action because the player doing it is a great player. Money speaks loudly, and KT is another perfect example of that. Too me, ones character is the ONLY thing that's most important, if you own a country and set your own rules who's to say they are not right except the people.

 

[memikey]

There are some other players who have lost their first two matches by wide margins and you don't see them being ridiculed and debased.

The jokes, the name calling and the ridiculing does nothing to help the forum ingratiate itself with the Prince. The negative comments about the Prince reflects poorly on this forum.

The Prince would have to be a far bigger man than I think he is to spread his money outside of the Middle East.

This forum's tolerance of the jokes, ridicule and name calling of the Prince does nothing to move him toward becoming more philanthopic toward our sport.

JoeyA

Some good sense as always Joey......apart from the inferences as to Brunei's location or the Prince's loyalties. The Prince would be somewhat alarmed to wake up this morning and find that either his country or his money had been transplanted by you overnight several thousand miles to the West. Brunei is nowhere remotely near The Middle East and has no more cultural, political or religious ties to The Middle East than it has to say China or USA. It is only a few hundred miles from The Phillipines. London is closer to The Middle East than Brunei.

 

[TX Poolnut]

For what it's worth:

 

[ShootingArts]

hmmm

Must be one of those floating islands that drifts around!

Hu

Some good sense as always Joey......apart from the inferences as to Brunei's location or the Prince's loyalties. The Prince would be somewhat alarmed to wake up this morning and find that either his country or his money had been transplanted by you overnight several thousand miles to the West. Brunei is nowhere remotely near The Middle East and has no more cultural, political or religious ties to The Middle East than it has to say China or USA. It is only a few hundred miles from The Phillipines. London is closer to The Middle East than Brunei.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

I hear what you are saying, but this happens in United States today.

Promoters get sanctioned by the WPA and they then can invite whoever they desire to compete in their so-called "world championship."

I won't name names, but I think anybody who has read this forum in the past year or two will know which world championship tournaments on American soil I am referring to.

JAM

I hear you JAM. however, I don't think those promoters would choose a player playing below B level. of course, they would still recommend or prefer someone who stand a chance of winning as to avoid any obvious controversy and of course, having a share on the winner's pot as well. so regardless of whom the promoters select (call it favoritism), those guys are still qualified and have the skills to prove it.

 

[memikey]

Must be one of those floating islands that drifts around!

Hu

We could let Joey have that get out clause......if.....ahem.....Brunei was an island

Personally I think Joey knew very well, he was just so busy buttering him up for a rollover cash match after he takes down Jay that he made a typing mistake

 

[gopi-1]

You nailed this subject on the head......

Why on earth would the greatest player in the history of the game not be given a wild card to these world championships and a clown prince of royalty who everyone knows clearly cannot play the game at this level be given a wild card instead???

The game of pool is in its bad state because of idiotic decisons like this and i blame the WPA and other promoters for this incompetent sideshow which has been running for the past 4 years.

Fine he has "love for the game" so what!!!! that does'nt mean he has first
right over places in top tournaments compared to top professional players.

He has to earn the right like every other aspiring pool player.

Whoever thinks that its a good thing for pool to have a prince playing crap pool on TV and completely embarasing himself is nuts which has been the case for the past 4 years.

Just to set things straight, I've got nothing against the prince, it wasn't his fault to begin with.
The powers that be should be able to justify their wild card choices, although they don't have
to explain to anyone.

I'm not surprised pool is going down the drain, and hopefully it's not yet too late to salvage it
before it goes to the dumps...

 

[ShootingArts]

Island, part of an island . . .

Island, part of an island, who cares? It isn't part of a continent according to a world map and what I was taught. The only floating islands besides ones of garbage are myths anyway.

Hu

We could let Joey have that get out clause......if.....ahem.....Brunei was an island

Personally I think Joey knew very well, he was just so busy buttering him up for a rollover cash match after he takes down Jay that he made a typing mistake

 

[JoeyA]

Some good sense as always Joey......apart from the inferences as to Brunei's location or the Prince's loyalties. The Prince would be somewhat alarmed to wake up this morning and find that either his country or his money had been transplanted by you overnight several thousand miles to the West. Brunei is nowhere remotely near The Middle East and has no more cultural, political or religious ties to The Middle East than it has to say China or USA. It is only a few hundred miles from The Phillipines. London is closer to The Middle East than Brunei.

Middle East, Far East, South East, aren't they all about the same?

Look out for that American friendly fire.

But I'm not so sure about the lack of religious ties with the Middle East since 67% of the population of Brunei are members of the Islam religion.
JoeyA

 

[jay helfert]

I would almost guarantee that the Prince is paying someone to get invited into these championships. And probably a pretty healthy amount no less. Something is fishy about the whole deal.

 

[memikey]

But I'm not so sure about the lack of religious ties with the Middle East since 67% of the population of Brunei are members of the Islam religion.
JoeyA

Yes Joey of course Brunei has a majority muslim population, that goes without saying. I meant that within the overall context of what was being replied to i.e the likelihood of him ever "spreading his money outside a region" (specifically The Middle East region) there are no reasons, certainly not geographical ones, not even "religious" ones, to assume that The Middle East has ever had his money spread within that region in the first place, so the question of spreading it outside that region doesn't even arise. There are far more muslims in the immediate vicinity of his own country than there are in the whole of The Middle East and the religious ties to his own region are therefore much more substantial ones (other than the spiritual ties to Mecca obviously).

Moving on.....Jay's speculation about a 'slush' entry fee payment might or might not have some substance.......but if it does would doubt very much if anyone in The Middle East sponsor's sphere of influence was a recipient of such a payment, if one was made. The Middle East sponsor of this event is a gentleman of the highest calibre from a royal family who voluntarily and wholly unselfishly (clearly it's hard for pool players to grasp the concept that such people exist) subsidises this event from his own pocket to the tune of very large sums of money with no expectation nor any attempt at making any commercial returns from it.....none, nada, zilch, zero. Therefore the notion of him or his appointed people being recipients of any such payment from Brunei would horrify.

There are of course other international parties than The Middle East sponsor and promoter involved in the nomination and assembling of participants.

Everyone has a right to an opinion but just to re-echo in different words the spirit of what I think Joey was saying in his earlier post.....it is not a great idea for any sport to discourage such incredibly unselfish and generous sponsors of the likes of the current one for this event with idle insinuations solely borne out of any distaste for the participation of one particular individual......and unless pool has suddenly found itself awash with sponsors the content of this thread in a forum of a website seen as representing the very bowels of the game, is becoming akin to being suicidal.

 

[Boro Nut]

Like I said if he is using a sponsor excemption more power to him. He payed for it and should do whatever he wants with it. If I recall he also plays or has played in the WPC. Hard to come up with a reason for that one. As far as having him help the game, the PR for uber rich middle eastern Oil Billionaires isnt real high right now, here or in the middle east. Which may be the reason for the security screen that surrounds him. Not sure how him playing is going to help put asses in the seats for tournaments he doesnt pay for.

Brunei isn't in the Middle East. You're reinforcing a lot of stereotypes.

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

I Like To Play "Prince Of Brunei"

Brunei, although it provides free medical care, it had NO medical schools and aspiring doctors must go elsewhere for their schooling.

The possession and consumption of alchohol is prohibited, except to non Muslims. American tourists are allowed to bring 12 cans of beer into the country.

Half of Brunei's GDP is derived from crude oil and natural gas, SO, I suggest that Brunei ship all it's oil to the U.S. for $25 a barrel and we re-name 'pool', "The Prince Of Brunei."

El Doug
( and give the Prince Free entry into any tournament that he wishes to grace with his presence.... imo )

 

[JAM]

Comments such as these and others are the reasons why pool is regarded as a sport for bums and degenerates.

This is a proper sport not a sideshow (it not the WWE).

These are the reasons why other sports audiences don't watch and sponser our game, its a joke.

And even if he were paying hugh amounts to get into the top tournaments would'nt you think the prize money would have drastically increased???

Think about it, he pays no money to the game and gets a free ride because he is a prince.

No one wants to see the prince play, because quite honestly he plays crap and like a retard.

He embarrases the game we hold dear to us.

How dare you attack one of this forum's BEST posters, number one ranked on popularity for reputation. Of course, Smorgie was joking, but YOU on the other hand come on here like you're some big deal.

You have 11 posts to your name and joined in April of 2008. I don't hold much integrity in any of your posts, Mr. Newbie, because the only thing you do is bad-mouth the prince. It is as if you are on a mission to post negatively only about this prince.

What, did he beat you in some event and you're pissed off that he can go to high-profile tournaments and you can't?

FWIW, this prince just may be the BEST his country has to offer. If he is representing his country, that it is a good thing that his country is represented.

Post about something else on this forum and leave the prince alone. You complain that people like Smorgie are the reason pool is in the duldrums. Well, it is people like YOU who give this forum a bad atmosphere.

JAM

 

[Flex]

Comments such as these and others are the reasons why pool is regarded as a sport for bums and degenerates.

This is a proper sport not a sideshow (it not the WWE).

These are the reasons why other sports audiences don't watch and sponser our game, its a joke.

And even if he were paying hugh amounts to get into the top tournaments would'nt you think the prize money would have drastically increased???

Think about it, he pays no money to the game and gets a free ride because he is a prince.

No one wants to see the prince play, because quite honestly he plays crap and like a retard.

He embarrases the game we hold dear to us.

Your vitriolic insults, your uncouth ways, your violent rhetoric, your very being on this forum lowers the forum, unfortunately.

You obviously have some serious issues and your marxist class-warfare take on things is tiresome.

I'd love to see the prince play.

Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Flex