the slip stroke

3andstop said:
Best as I can explain it, while in your stance and holding the cue at about mid wrap or even up closer toward the shaft, on your last pause at the cue ball, you very loosely slide or slip your butt hand backward toward the end of your stick while not moving your stick backward.

In other words the cue tip stays at the CB while your hand slides backward to the end of the butt, then regains a slightly tighter grip on the cue and on your forward stroke you go through the cue ball. :scratchhead:

I read it and I don't know if I explained it well. :shrug:
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If that's it then I'm wrong above.

I thought slip stroke was when you let the cue slide forward in the grip hand on impact.
Hate that thing
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Here's a video of Mosconi done in 1980. As you watch it you will be able to pick up his slip stroke, even hear his hand sliding on the linen as he slips back on the grip. At 3:20, even though this camera angle is from his backside, you can see has hand slip back on the cue and you can definitely hear it slip over the linen wrap. At 4:40 is an overhead view where you can see this stroke and at 5:20 is a good view from the front side where you can clearly see his slip stroke as well as hear his hand slip back on the wrap of the cue:

http://vimeo.com/4957545
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Not only can you see it, you can actually hear it too. lol
 
9Ballr said:
Not only can you see it, you can actually hear it too. lol
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Great clip. Can clearly see(and hear),as you pointed out, the slipping-action. Saw Willie do a demo around this same time. He gets out of a cab, takes off his coat, racks 14 w/a break-ball and casually runs 100. Unreal.
 
lfigueroa said:
First let me say, that's a great clip -- I'd never seen it before. At certain points you can see the grace with which Willie played the game and if you can see that, and imagine him sustaining that for an hour, you'll get a feel for what it was like to watch him for a full exhibition match, circa late 1960's when I saw him. (I believe I read that he was part of a dance act in his very young days and maybe that is what is showing up.)

But in all honesty, I see little evidence of a no-kidding slip stroke. What I do see are minor adjustment, or at best a very tiny slip stroke for one or two shots. True slip stroke players used it on every shot, so I'm still sticking to my story: Willie Mosconi did not use a slip stroke.

Lou Figueroa
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Jimmy Moore told me Mosconi had a short slip stroke maybe 6" , Jimmys was long and easy to see.
 
This thread is over six years old but it does cause me to ask a question. Why was the slip stroke more popular among top players 50 years ago than today?
 
My best guess is that it was an alternative way to generate force in the stroke on the slower cloth, as opposed to the cloth we have today.
 
Danimal said:
My best guess is that it was an alternative way to generate force in the stroke on the slower cloth, as opposed to the cloth we have today.
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It allowed them to have a longer practice stroke before the final stroke.
 
I can say on days I am shooting quite well and feel my stroke is on, I often have the cue slipping in my hand as if I am throwing it at the cue ball.

I don't consciously think about or try to do it, I just happen to notice I am doing it.
 
3andstop...You described it perfectly. The best guys using slipstrokes literally threw the cuestick through the cueball, with a very light cradle on the cuestick. They made the CB dance!...especially Jimmy Moore. :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

3andstop said:
Best as I can explain it, while in your stance and holding the cue at about mid wrap or even up closer toward the shaft, on your last pause at the cue ball, you very loosely slide or slip your butt hand backward toward the end of your stick while not moving your stick backward.

In other words the cue tip stays at the CB while your hand slides backward to the end of the butt, then regains a slightly tighter grip on the cue and on your forward stroke you go through the cue ball. :scratchhead:

I read it and I don't know if I explained it well. :shrug:
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One possibility is that there were less people to learn proper technique from. Just because someone is/was a top player does not make them even a competent instructor. They're two different skill sets. Jerry Briesath, who founded the PBIA 25 years ago, was one of very few professional instructors 50 years ago. He has influenced many thousands of poolplayers, including many professional players, and future professional instructors, over decades of teaching!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

alstl said:
This thread is over six years old but it does cause me to ask a question. Why was the slip stroke more popular among top players 50 years ago than today?
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pdcue said:
Though obviously a good player with a good straight stroke... Not a slip stroke.

Dale
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He has. Here's a better shot.
https://youtu.be/sb6CKYqTC98?t=55
I've known him since 1994.
We've talked about his stroke.
He almost literally throws his cue when power drawing.
He has a slip stroke AND stroke slip.

Wayne patterned his stroke after Willie. That he told me himself.
Practice stroke with the forearm a little forward..
Slips it back in the final payoff stroke.
And on hard shots, lets the cue go.
Interestingly enough, he did not teach that stroke.

He's retired from playing now . But, he was running to the hundred in his 70's.
He played in the World Straight Pool Tournament at Stardust Hotel back in the days. Showed us his scrapbook .
 
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Sorry about all the camera movement. That was my first attempt at recording. I was running around the table trying to get a closeup of his stroke.
 
JoeyInCali said:
He has. Here's a better shot.
https://youtu.be/sb6CKYqTC98?t=55
I've known him since 1994.
We've talked about his stroke.
He almost literally throws his cue when power drawing.
He has a slip stroke AND stroke slip.

Wayne patterned his stroke after Willie. That he told me himself.
Practice stroke with the forearm a little forward..
Slips it back in the final payoff stroke.
And on hard shots, lets the cue go.
Interestingly enough, he did not teach that stroke.

He's retired from playing now . But, he was running to the hundred in his 70's.
He played in the World Straight Pool Tournament at Stardust Hotel back in the days. Showed us his scrapbook .
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Well, we obviously need another term...

I just can't buy off on the idea that adjusting your hand back 4 inches on one shot out
of 20 means you use a slip stroke.

IMHO the similarity between his stroke and Willie's is that it is very level,
maybe even more level, and at the address of the ball
his forearm is forward of perpendicular.

IMHO - his delivery is much more like Dallas West's than Mosconi's, of course,
that is based on watching only a handful of shots and certainly not evaluating
his throw-the-cue-thru-the-ball follow thru which Willie did not do.

Dale(who wishes he could play like this guy)
 
billiard man said:
I have shot billiards since I was 10 year old. I bought my first table 4ft 6inch by 8ft 6 inch brunswich from vandergrift motorcycle club. I kept it outside and everyone helped keep it in shape .This is when I meet Louis A. Kristich, the western P.A . undisputed Billiards Champion who went by name of { Hogan }in 1962 Hogan introduced me to the so call [Slip Stroke} which he copied from the world champ { Willie Mosconi } I had the privelage to meet Mosconi in an exabition game with Hogan in Pittsburge P.A. around 1966 I was 17. I'am very proud that I was shooting with the Slip Stroke.
when talking to the world champ after knowing he also used the slp stroke .My cousins boy was 6years old and got to shoot for Mosconi and I also shot on the same table with Mosconi .I have never went back to straight shot .I now shoot with out even realizing I'am using the Slip Stroke .I've been in the APA.BCA.and Valley League.Alot of players have been amazed at how I shoot using the Slip Stroke I'am 62 and last taked with Hogan in 1993- 4months before he died .He was on vacation with Mosconi in Lase Vages.Hogan kept the Title as Undisputed western P.A Champ He used a Palmer que wich I could have bought from his wife But told her to keep it it was more valuable that what she was asking so she give to her daughter. God Rest and Bless my Friend Lou Hogan.
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