The Ultimate Bar Box Challenge - anyone interested?
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Koopa ....where do you play , Hollywood .....?Koopa said:
watchez said:
The major downfall with the "New IPT" is that they have not captured that lightning in a bottle match-up that will generate profitability for their product. It goes to show that money is not the answer. The answer is that you need to surround your product with the right people that have the right attitude. Money is important to a point, but it cannot be the main focus.
The main focus should be on marketing the game of pool to the masses.
I am not reinventing the wheel - I am not redesigning, copying, or stealing any ideas from The Action Report - in fact the product I am developing is completely different than TAR. I welcome their input and I would love to work with them instead of going up against them.
The flaw with the "New IPT" is that they haven't recreated that certain something that drew all of us to the game. The big money pool room/gambling atmosphere I am used to seeing is quite different than what I have watched with TAR and the IPT netcasts.
I have a lot of new, bold, and different strategies that have never been used before to market our game. I am planning on introducing these strategies into this product to create a vehicle that will bring pool into the mainstream media - just as other entertainment genres have done (UFC/WWE).
It Should Be Held In a Nice Sunny Location Like......FLORIDA
I hope you can create what you wish for. I am not sure what big money/gambling atmosphere you are used to seeing but a large percentage of what I see is pool players 'trying to write checks they can't cash'. Woofing about big money games when they have no money. Woofing that they will play anyone but than crawdad when confronted with a game. Woofing up games and then changing the game or rules at the last possible moment. Woofing and mistaking disrespectful comments as being funny or timely. I rather see people put their money up, treat people as gentlemen and not be f**ked with when gambling. TAR has eliminated that and done a fine job in doing so.Blackjack said:
Also, I would suggest refraining from trying to compare pool and its' marketing to the WWE. Pool has enough 'fake' matches that people don't want to see.
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watchez said:
All I can say is that this won't be Crane Vs Caras. If we keep polishing pool up and trying to sell it as something it isn't, we'll keep running in circles.
There is a big difference between applying marketing strategies and booking predetermined scripted match-ups. I'm going to make sure that "business" is kept out of the equation - and if anybody tries it they're gone.
For those that want to defend "business", "savers" or whatever - be advised that sponsors will detach from the entire sport just at the inference of such deals.
We need to move away from presenting pool the same old way we have been presenting pool for the last 40-50 years.
Minnesota Fats was able to keep people's attention because he understood how to capture their interest and then he just reeled them in... he never took them off the hook and tossed them in the bucket - he had fun keeping them on his "line". MOST of the time, Fatty was talking, or telling a story - or he was just being Fatty - he was not playing pool - and he captured more media attention in 1 minute than most of today's players would get in a lifetime. He was far from being the greatest player in the world, hell he probably wasn't in the top 20 or 30 at the time, but he could spot the other guys the 1-out in personality and marketability - and today his name (or the name he may or may not have borrowed from Tevis) is still synonymous with our game.
We need to learn from Fatty's success, bottle it up and market it.
Blackjack said:With all of these challenge matches being proposed, I figured I would toss this out there for everybody.
Who out there would pay to see this one?
King of The Bar Table
Scotty Townsend VS Keith McCready
Bar Box 9 ball
No Bet Limit
Unplugged
UNCENSORED
Uncut
....complete with backers, side action, - let them be who they are - let 'em play until one of them runs out the match or runs out of money. The winner gets Matlock in the next challenge - then we can toss in Nevel, Bowman, McMinn, other bar box monsters that have the backing and the cash.
Make it real.
Make it raw.
Make it entertaining.
Make it happen.
Fatboy, you listenin'? Give me a call.
Let's do this.
Keith, we can make this happen. Let me know. Your fans will be tripping over themselves to watch this one and I'm sure we can make this worth your while.
If anybody out there wants to help put this one together - get with me and let's make it happen. Serious inquiries only.
Any rooms willing to volunteer to host this one?
Anyone out there want to back Keith?
Anyone want to back Scotty?
I'm willing to organize this to make it happen - let me know.
I've actually seen these two play, BlackJack. It was right here in New Orleans. Keith McCready came out on top although it was quite a battle. I would give the edge to Scotty since I haven't seen Keith in action for a while.
Still, it is two people who while they may share a fraternity, like and respect each other, you can expect a fierce battle any time they play.
Keep us posted.
JoeyA
Use the Big Ball (heavy) and put Matlock in the mix. Ether likes the big ball and King Kong would look good on camera with his white hat and outfit.
Sent you a PM, Dave. I can't offer much because i'm not rich, but will offer what I got. The pool world has been good to me & given me some respect & success in the industry. I like your ideas of promoting the game as it's true self & not a tamed down sissy mime show. Let me know if I can be of assistance, or if you are interested. I don't want publicity, can't accept any more work anyway. I just want to give something back, do my little part.
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Eric Crisp
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Keith's way more entertaining than Fatty IMHO
I've seen Keith play many, many times. He's way more entertaining than the Fat Man. I don't care how old he is, I'm sure he can still make the cue ball dance. I heard mention of the big ball and someone else on this thread. Just bring out the big ball and my all time favorite McCready shot will come to play. Gauranteed.
PPV or reality is the only way to go. There is still the California fan base.
He lived in the Northwest for a few short months and people are still talking about it.
Teaching?? Workshops and lessons. Better ask Keith about that unless things have changed. No offense Evil. There are teachers and then there is Keith. In all due respect. I remeber a direct quote once when I asked him a question about a shot. "Little Debbie, there's only one pool player in this family."
Ask him, he's good at promotions. Thanks for the idea Blackjack. Make it happen.
Blackjack said:.....
Minnesota Fats was able to keep people's attention because he understood how to capture their interest and then he just reeled them in... he never took them off the hook and tossed them in the bucket - he had fun keeping them on his "line". MOST of the time, Fatty was talking, or telling a story - or he was just being Fatty - he was not playing pool - and he captured more media attention in 1 minute than most of today's players would get in a lifetime. .....
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We need to learn from Fatty's success, bottle it up and market it.
I've seen Keith play many, many times. He's way more entertaining than the Fat Man. I don't care how old he is, I'm sure he can still make the cue ball dance. I heard mention of the big ball and someone else on this thread. Just bring out the big ball and my all time favorite McCready shot will come to play. Gauranteed.
PPV or reality is the only way to go. There is still the California fan base.
He lived in the Northwest for a few short months and people are still talking about it.
Teaching?? Workshops and lessons. Better ask Keith about that unless things have changed. No offense Evil. There are teachers and then there is Keith. In all due respect. I remeber a direct quote once when I asked him a question about a shot. "Little Debbie, there's only one pool player in this family."
Ask him, he's good at promotions. Thanks for the idea Blackjack. Make it happen.
APA7 said:I guess we can start calling it TBAR (the blackjack action report)
Brian
I will say it again... I am not trying to compete with TAR, or to copy what they are doing. TAr is doing a great job promoting our sport, with their coverage DCC, the one on one match-ups, etc. of This format will be nothing like what TAR or the IPT is doing. In fact, I am much more interested in getting this off the internet on television.
FWIW, I have been talking about this type of format for several years. I smiled when Chad and Justin followed through on their efforts with The action Challenge, in fact I helped promote the Corey Deuel VS SVB event all over the Southeast - because I believe in what they are doing and I will always support them and work with them.
This will be different. Like I said a few pages ago, think BIG. If we think small - we'll stay small and everybody in our game (players included) will continue on like we are now. If we think BIG, we can build something sustainable and profitable for the players and everybody involved.
But how big David?
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for pool on TV and great players matching up in a giant match, but what does "Joe Channelsurfer" think? Afterall, that's whose attention you are going to need to grab. What would you have that would make him want to stop on the channel to watch it and not think its just another pool match at first glance, to keep him from skipping over it. Putting mics on the players is a fantastic idea, but it they start slinging around pool jargon while woofing at each other the layman isn't going to know what the hell is going on.
Like I said, dont get me wrong, Id love to see it come to fruition in that magnitude, but I think thats aiming a bit too high. I'd like to see it happen, not end up cancelled or delayed indefinately due to no sponsers, no TV network etc etc.
<-----pesimistic by nature, sorry.
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for pool on TV and great players matching up in a giant match, but what does "Joe Channelsurfer" think? Afterall, that's whose attention you are going to need to grab. What would you have that would make him want to stop on the channel to watch it and not think its just another pool match at first glance, to keep him from skipping over it. Putting mics on the players is a fantastic idea, but it they start slinging around pool jargon while woofing at each other the layman isn't going to know what the hell is going on.
Like I said, dont get me wrong, Id love to see it come to fruition in that magnitude, but I think thats aiming a bit too high. I'd like to see it happen, not end up cancelled or delayed indefinately due to no sponsers, no TV network etc etc.
<-----pesimistic by nature, sorry.
Icon of Sin said:
Think about what grabs your attention while watching 7 guys sitting at a poker table during a show that is being broadcast on the The Travel Channel. Who would have thought that idea would have worked? Nobody. They took a chance and found a market and attracted the right people and the money started to gravitate towards them.
Nobody goes from where we are right now to being TOO BIG TOO SOON. That promise was made by the IPT and it was just that - a promise. It was not realistic because Kevin was trying to generate a lot of the attention to the IPT by himself. I can't do this myself, which is why I am surrounding myself with like-minded individuals that are there to number 1 - take care of things I am incapable of taking care of.
This is not about me. Whatever this becomes - it's about the game of pool, not David Sapolis. I am willing to go out there and try to bring the game's mystique and attraction - that mystique and attraction that caught you and I many years ago - I want to amplify that - I want to show the world that we're here and worth a look. Our games is fun, our players our great people - we are intelligent, marketable, and worth the time, interest, and attention of big money investors.
How do we attract that? By not selling them the same old crap we have been trying to sell them for the last however many years.
Tournament pool has not and will not sell to the mainstream. Channel surfers are only going to watch so many Corr Vs Fisher matches before they think its the same old repeat. They get to the finals more times than not - but what if we were to shake it up a bit and change the format so that it was much more challenging for them - a format that would catapult players such Monica Webb, Jasmin Ouschan, and Kelly Fisher into the stratosphere?
Get it out of the tournament environment and make it INTERESTING. Make it attractive to the channel surfer. The viewer has to expect the unexpected. The viewer has to be able to tune in next week for something that they don't want to miss. There is a way to do that, and I have a plan where this will get the regional tours involved and make them and integral part of what we want to do.
To do this we need cooperation from the regional tours that want to be a part of this. Many are too busy trying expand their own little market - which is admirable, but they won't get anywhere no matter how far they run in any direction ALL BY THEMSELVES. Right now the world of pool is like a dog chasing its own tail. We have to stop that mentality. Now matter how fast we go, we're still going in circles and we look silly.
The plan I have makes the regional tours part of the system and it also includes room owners, cue manufacturers, table companies, and private investors that are willing to participate to build our sport.
This is not a good old boys system - this is not an ego trip for me - I am not looking to do anything buy to lay the groundwork to provide something profitable for the players - something that lasts, and something that they can be proud of.
10 years ago, the UFC was in a shambles. They went through a lot of changes, but Dana White had a vision, and he surrounded himself with the right people that could make his vision a reality. I plan on doing something similar.
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Blackjack said:
WOW...let this one outta the bag a lil early? Rootin' for ya brother and my cell is always on for consultation
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