The Verdict Is In, Gary Lutman Banned For 1 Year

This guy

QB Custom Cues said:
Spoken like a true Gentleman Gary...Every person that walks the face of this earth makes mistakes, simply known as being human...!!! To admit that one has done wrong or made a mistake, in my opinion shows, that you have class and are a stand up person...(He or She) Props to you Gary, and i wish you lots of luck in the future....!!!!!! Will be talking with you soon -:(!!!
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This is the guy that needs to be picked on. Trouble everywhere he is. Screw Ball.
 
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QB Custom Cues said:
Whats up Brendan...Thanks for the incouragement, I feel better now...!!!
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Will you be at Kenny's tomorrow? Did you sell the stick I like with the green points? I saw the pretty stick you made for Kyle's gf ...prettynice . When is Scott F Coming in?
 
Glad to know

1 Lone Wolf said:
I just recieved a call from evelyn dysart and was informed i was banned from all midwest 9 ball events for 1 year. i have played in and supported the midwest 9 ball tournament for many years, along with tournaments all over the united states. i think unsportsman like conduct and unprofessional has no place in our sport. having said that i made a huge mistake in olathe and did both.

i have been playing pool a long time and i am not a shady character and i will call a bad hit on myself if my opponent doesnt see it, i have always showed class weather if i win or if i lose. i have never in my life had any kind of issue with any tournament directer ever. i am a longtime cash player and a lot of people know me and and im a gentleman, win or lose. i ha, but,ve publicly and privately apologized to evelyn for my unspeakable bad behavior. i respect evelyn very much and this is her decision and i respect that. however i dont want this to tarnish my reputation as a person.

i have played many players for high dollars and i believe it would hard to find 1 that doesent enjoy competing with me, or would say im not a gentleman to play, im a tough competiter and if i think im right i will fight.a lot of people read the thread i posted and a lot of angry and mean things were said by me. i cant wait to play in the midwest tournaments again.

Good Luck with your events danny and evelyn,

Sincerly,
Gary Lutman
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There is no lifetime ban (GREAT). 1 year is a long time, but time passes fast. Having known you since the days of Baker and Lutman, in downtown Granite city and working for you at Star Lite years ago, I hope to see you at other events so I can buy you in the calcutta. We all make mistakes. Hope you are doing better.

your friend, mp
 
Banks said:
Brumback made no references to Lutman in that thread, so you've either read it wrong or got some information other than what was written by him.

Besides, I don't see any angel wings 'round these parts..

Heck, I don't even expect all of my friends to like each other. No biggie.
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I stand corrected. It was a poster with the handle of Island Drive who mentioned Gary. Here is the text from that post: "where I also ran into CJ and Lutman as they were traveling together, what a pair. Anywho couldn't beat CJ and played Gary L and lost a couple hundred but the way he treated me during the match was atrocious. A few yrs later I ran into him at the BCA Nationals in KC and I was playing good and got easily into action @ $50 a rattle. Had em stuck $500 and he wanted to dbl up, now the way he treated me our last encounter I said to myself ''I ain't gonna give this guy any air and said NO, he couldn't quit, I emptied em out, best of all, he broke his cuestick and got into a big argument with his girl friend, it was sweet justice, walking away hearing those two argue."

Now here's text from Gary's first post on this thread: "i have played many players for high dollars and i believe it would hard to find 1 that doesent enjoy competing with me, or would say im not a gentleman to play"
 
Brendan Sulliva said:
Will you be at Kenny's tomorrow? Did you sell the stick I like with the green points? I saw the pretty stick you made for Kyle's gf ...prettynice . When is Scott F Coming in?
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No im doing tbls. all day tomorrow..no i have not sold the cue that you like and i dont know when Scott is coming in town, he just got back from Tunica,Louisiana and Mobile...!!!!!
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Dont know the guy...

Well, I don't know Gary. I read the first post where he ranted about being cheated in Olathe. Even after reading that I thought no ill against him. It seems he has really manned up after his rant. It also seems that he was indeed done wrong in Olathe. Furthermore, seems he has been done wrong again by being banned. The way I see it, this Evelyn woman needs to admit that she also made a mistake in turn causing the whole uproar. With no referee, the call goes to the shooter. It was a case of his word against his opponent's and she sided with the opponent who was not the shooter. If she is the respected tournament director Gary says she is, she needs to publicly apologize to Gary AND repeal the ban against him.
Like I said, I know neither of them so my opinion is based solely on what I've read here.
 
nobcitypool said:
I guess a search at onepocket.org would dispute some of the things you have to say Gary. I read a post recently by John Brumback that didn't go into great detail but was less than complimentary of you.

For anyone that cares, go to onepocket.org and read the thread "Some things I've seen".
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HELLO!! Please go read that again!!!!! I have never ever said one bad word about Gary.It's ok ,you got mixed up a little,LOL

I was just getting on here to say something TO Gary about what happened to him and then I saw this.He's always been one of my favorite pool players in the country.We are very good buddys and like he said,I have never ever heard a bad word from him or about him.I've played against him in tourneys and for big $ alot of times.He's one player that I would let keep shooting while I took a break.He's real good action to if you can beat him.I try to match up with him everytime I see him.Hey Gary remember when you wanted 9 to 7 on the bar table playin banks,and I gave it to ya.haha.We are going to play again like that ole buddy.If that call went down just like you said (and I believe what you say) You got a bad call.Should have went to the shooter or just put them back close to what they were.I guess you got a little carried away after that though,lol.Sorry about your luck and hope to run into you soon down the road.Your a good man buddy,hold your head up... like you always do. John Brumback
 
John, read further, I originally misread the thread and subsequently corrected the identity of the person making the post. Having met you, the fact that you speak highly of Gary speaks volumes to me. With that said, I suspect you would have acted differently had you been in his shoes.

As far as I'm concerned, what happened in Olathe should have been between Gary and the folks in Olathe UNTIL Gary brought it here and told what was obviously his biased side of the story. Aside from Evelyn responding with her side of the story, other people who witnessed the incident posted including Gary's own sponsor, Mike Durbin.

Whether the correct call was made or not is not really the issue. At best, depending on whose story you wish to believe, it was the correct call. At worst, it was a questionable call. Either way, it didn't justify Gary's behavior immediately afterward. I think many people could understand the immediate behavior as it could be attributed to "heat of the moment". However, to come back the next morning after having slept on it and repeat the behavior is not understandable IMHO.

John, you of all people should be quite upset about this type of situation. How many discussions have been had at this forum relating to why pool doesn't get the TV exposure and therefore, why the Professional Pool Players aren't able to earn even a smidgen of what Professional Athletes in other sports earn. The consistent reason for this seems to be the negative stigma surrounding pool relating to hustling and bad behavior. Can you imagine this tournament being televised nationally and then having the TV audience witness Gary's tirade? Do you think this would motivate the TV Networks and sponsors to invest additional money in the game of pool? Tiger Woods had multiple affairs outside his marriage and lost tens and hundreds of millions of dollars in endorsements. The sooner pool DEMANDS a higher standard of behavior and sportsmanship, the sooner it may become attractive to the big money instead of what we see happening now, i.e., pool halls closing by the droves across the country.

John Brumback said:
HELLO!! Please go read that again!!!!! I have never ever said one bad word about Gary.It's ok ,you got mixed up a little,LOL
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Luxury said:
Did you read Evelyn's version of what happened?
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Evelyn said:
Gary and Joey call me to the table. Gary is shooting, I asked what happened, he said I moved the 5 ball when I shot. I said, okay where was the 5 sitting, he points to an area on the table, I look at Joey and ask if that is close, he says yes. BOTH PLAYERS AGREE, that is where the 5 ball was sitting. I asked Gary what happened, he explained the shot and YES the cue ball could have come in contact with the 5 ball. That is a foul.

Evelyn Dysart
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this is part of it (minus the meltdown) but i still don't understand her decision to award the non-shooter BIH.
*especially with this peculiar wording. "could have" is not an absolute...so what made her rule a foul??
 
thin skin

I have no bone in this............................
If what Gary said was so wrong, how come Earl S can still play in all the events.

A ref on each table would go along ways in stopping alot of these problems.

I know using Earl as a example may not have been my best choice.
But he seems to have his momments alot.

Best regards to everyone caught up in this.
MMike
 
I always liked Gary he gets up and plays doesn't need the nuts to gamble and anyone that plays him whether they have the best of the game or the worst of the game is in for a gunfight
 
watchez said:
tough break but life moves on

Give me a call sometime
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I wasnt going to post in this but how can I leave my old Iowa road partner hangin...

I really thought there would be more eyewitness posters in this thread because that place was packed and during the early rounds there were a lot of people watching the "high profile" players. We were there but were not watching that particular match. It was easy to tell after the fact that there was going to be a lot of tension during the rest of the tournament. Gary, Joey and the rest of the players showed no ill will towards each other and what happened was just a culmination of drinks, drinks...etc. There are not many people on here who could say they have never done something they regret and even though he was out of line it never reached a point where I, as well as others probably, thought it would lead to something more than words. Whether it was a bad call, mistake, or just a careless error there probably should have been no call all together. Like JB stated, since the TD wasnt present it goes to the shooter or return the balls as best as possible. I overheard several people talking about other calls and running a 150 player tournament is hectic indeed.

Other than the usual bickering it seemed to be a pretty decent tournament and what better way to get 100+ pool players together. I will say though, the match scheduling needs some work. Its understandable that due to the large turnout things are going to take longer and run late....up into the morning, so maybe that can be a good reason to think things over. Here is a good example. We were at the poolroom 17 hours one day and 18 the next, one of the guys I was with had a scheduled match at 4:00am which started at 7:00am and was done around 8:30. Needless to say, since the next round was at noon there wasnt much chance of playing on maybe 3 hours sleep. These are things that can easily be fixed and im sure they will be. All in all I felt it was a good tournament and was well worth the trip.
 
seven_7days said:
this is part of it (minus the meltdown) but i still don't understand her decision to award the non-shooter BIH.
*especially with this peculiar wording. "could have" is not an absolute...so what made her rule a foul??
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Evelyn's FULL version:

Gary and Joey call me to the table. Gary is shooting, I asked what happened, he said I moved the 5 ball when I shot. I said, okay where was the 5 sitting, he points to an area on the table, I look at Joey and ask if that is close, he says yes. BOTH PLAYERS AGREE, that is where the 5 ball was sitting. I asked Gary what happened, he explained the shot and YES the cue ball could have come in contact with the 5 ball. That is a foul.
Gary then starts to argue and says ask the crowd, why would I ask the crowd when both players are at the table and have already agreed that is where the ball sitting. Gary continues to argue saying it might have been in another area, after he was the one that showed me where it was in the first place. I told him he needed to calm down and continue the match.
 
anyone really said:
I really thought there would be more eyewitness posters in this thread because that place was packed and during the early rounds there were a lot of people watching the "high profile" players.
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First, from a TD standpoint, the game is between the players. Secondly, once the ref/TD is called the right call was made based on the supposed acknowledgment where the balls were placed. Changing of mind once the call is made doesn't help anyone. It's a hard call and Evelyn did the right thing based on the info she was provided when called to the table.

After the fact there have been actions and reactions. Done deal, lets all move on and play more!!
 
$TAKE HOR$E said:
I wasnt going to post in this but how can I leave my old Iowa road partner hangin...
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Where was my invite for this trip? :p Didn't matter, I was in Denver running my own tournament.

We do need to put the posse back together and take a road trip somewhere.
 
seven_7days said:
this is part of it (minus the meltdown) but i still don't understand her decision to award the non-shooter BIH.
*especially with this peculiar wording. "could have" is not an absolute...so what made her rule a foul??
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Luxury said:
Evelyn's FULL version:

Gary and Joey call me to the table. Gary is shooting, I asked what happened, he said I moved the 5 ball when I shot. I said, okay where was the 5 sitting, he points to an area on the table, I look at Joey and ask if that is close, he says yes. BOTH PLAYERS AGREE, that is where the 5 ball was sitting. I asked Gary what happened, he explained the shot and YES the cue ball could have come in contact with the 5 ball. That is a foul.
Gary then starts to argue and says ask the crowd, why would I ask the crowd when both players are at the table and have already agreed that is where the ball sitting. Gary continues to argue saying it might have been in another area, after he was the one that showed me where it was in the first place. I told him he needed to calm down and continue the match.
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that still doesn't answer my question.

1. from what i've read so far,Evelyn was brought over was to relocate the moved ball to it's "original" position.
2. it seems that "Gary continues to argue..." because she already made her ruling against him.
3. awards opponent with BIH.


It's water under the bridge but something is missing here.
 
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