The Viking Tour and forum advertising
- Thread starter azhousepro
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Wow! Mike, I know this had to have been a very tough decision for you. I have not really followed the situation, but as a fellow forum owner I offer my moral support. Why oh why do pool promoters always have to be at odds with one another -- for the last hundred years??AzHousePro said:
My props to you for all you do...
SpiderWebComm said:
I will be very happy to PAY for the right to advertise in my signature. I will be very happy to comply with certain posting guidelines designed to prevent anyone with a signature advertisement from bombing the forum with useless posts just to spam the forum.
I do not want a banner ad. Why not? Because I feel that banner ads are hit and miss and I prefer for my ad to be connected to the quality of content that I provide as a forum member. If my content sucks then that will directly reflect on the effectiveness of my ads. If I want my ads to be seen then I am directly responsible to PARTICIPATE in the forum often with good and engaging content.
Who is this Mike/Terrie you speak of?
I think Mike did the right thing. The whole mess has lead me to the conclusion that advertising on a free forum is rude. A link here and there because it is pertinent is one thing, blatent advetising is another.
Using a public venue to solicit business is acceptable in many places in society but I have never been impressed with the sleezy psychologists who attend church to solicit business or other professionals who do similar things.
I think the profile allows for a link and that is generous and sufficient. I have had a link to my web site in my signature but after this whole mess I now think that is inappropriate. A signature should not be an ad -- simple as that.
Using a public venue to solicit business is acceptable in many places in society but I have never been impressed with the sleezy psychologists who attend church to solicit business or other professionals who do similar things.
I think the profile allows for a link and that is generous and sufficient. I have had a link to my web site in my signature but after this whole mess I now think that is inappropriate. A signature should not be an ad -- simple as that.
AzHousePro said:
You have been far more than generous with a lot of us and I speak for many when I say, "we appreciate it greatly".
Pool as a business is tough enough today and I doubt any one person is going to monopolize it. It is my hope that one day many will come together to work on one hope and what is best for the game. IMO, we are far from there.
We should remember that we are guests here and behave accordingly.
JoeW said:
I guess I totally missed the thread or threads that led to this decision on Mike Howerton's part.
I disagree however that people who are in business should be able to advertise. That is like saying I can't wear a t-shirt with my company information on it to pool league. Or drive a car with my company information on it.
The forum is here for the exchange of ideas and information. Part of that information is who does what in the industry. I can guarantee you that this forum would be worse off without the industry people who do post responsibly.
Ads in sigs are not rude. Rude is when they are overbearing and obnoxious. In fact any signature is rude when it's overbearing and obnoxious.
Ads in sigs can be tasteful and informative. They inform of who does what. I have learned a lot more about people's different occupations in the billiard industry by reading signatures than I would have otherwise. I have found many new cuemakers through this method.
Having a two line post and a 50 line ad is ridiculous. Posting a bunch of nonsense to show off your signature is spam. And rude.
Being an upstanding member of the forum who engages in conversation and shares wisdom and experience is worth allowing some latitude for that person to show off what they do.
I'd love to see more people posting from inside the industry. A lot of them don't because they are afraid of getting attacked.
Wouldn't you think it would be nice for the average person to have a direct and public conversation with people like Barry and Nancy Hart, Danny Janes, Mark Griffin (oh he's on here)
and so on. I think that if the price of their participation is an ad in their signature then that's fine.I am sure that Mike H. will work it out and figure out how to best address the issue so that it works for the majority of members. Until then I hope everyone will remember that there is a checkbox below the text window that says "Show your signature" and that you can UNCHECK it once in a while.
Like this.
I for one will miss the info on the Viking tour as it was good to know when and where they played ... I certainly do not blame Mike for what he did it did seem like MJ was pushing the issue ... The ad was very big and had all kinds of sponsor logo's listed in it ... I kind of figured that things were headed this way with the way things were taking a turn for the worst and that MJ really did not care one way or the other about AZ anymore.
It's bad that it had to go this far even if MJ's ego got to big as some suggest he still posted good info about a event that many of us were interested in. M.H. is right to do what he has done and I doubt anyone is going to blame him not that it would matter anyway. I just hate to see that it had to come to this...
It's bad that it had to go this far even if MJ's ego got to big as some suggest he still posted good info about a event that many of us were interested in. M.H. is right to do what he has done and I doubt anyone is going to blame him not that it would matter anyway. I just hate to see that it had to come to this...
If MJ had provided insight, wisdom, experience or at least some funny story telling from his events, I would have let all the advertising posts slide.
Perception is reality until proven different. Post all you want without any quality info and it is worse than not posting at all.
Perception is reality until proven different. Post all you want without any quality info and it is worse than not posting at all.
Miketerrie,Pronounced Mikaterreee,Are one person,half man-half woman,who tried just alittle too hard to push their right of freedom of speech.OH,and free advertising.:yikes:corvette1340 said:
:yikes: <-----Thinks this "expression guy" is the funniest.
jimmy-leggs said:Miketerrie,Pronounced Mikaterreee,Are one person,half man-half woman,who tried just alittle too hard to push their right of freedom of speech.OH,and free advertising.:yikes:
:yikes: <-----Thinks this "expression guy" is the funniest.
Is Mikaterreee from Finland?
Ed Simmons said:
AZB isn't the only place that Janis has been called on his excessive self-promotion, his scam tactics and his "f##k you" attitude about it all. His tour may be a great thing for pool, but his actions and attitude on pool forums leaves a lot to be desired.
pj
chgo
I believe any poster that denigrates another good-standing (read not a certifiable slimeball- see "Stiffed ..." thread) poster should be warned and if they continue banned.
Mike's tour is great. This does not mean every other tour is worthless. I don't believe the forum should be used as a means to slam one's competitors.
I believe the simple one or two line signatures (which you can turn off btw) are non-invasive. This could easily be limited to a certain length. I personally like being able to link from a poster to the product they sell as long as they are not using the forum solely to peddle their wares.
Due to there contribution to the board I would gladly do business with people such as TAR, JB, johnnyt, SpiderWebbComm, Jay Helfert, and Fast Lenny. I know there are others; but if they didn't occasionally let us know what they are doing, we wouldn't be able to support them.
Edit: Mike Janis seemed to have flipped his personality on the board recently. I hope this was merely his over-promotion of his tour and not a psychological/physiological problem.
Mike's tour is great. This does not mean every other tour is worthless. I don't believe the forum should be used as a means to slam one's competitors.
I believe the simple one or two line signatures (which you can turn off btw) are non-invasive. This could easily be limited to a certain length. I personally like being able to link from a poster to the product they sell as long as they are not using the forum solely to peddle their wares.
Due to there contribution to the board I would gladly do business with people such as TAR, JB, johnnyt, SpiderWebbComm, Jay Helfert, and Fast Lenny. I know there are others; but if they didn't occasionally let us know what they are doing, we wouldn't be able to support them.
Edit: Mike Janis seemed to have flipped his personality on the board recently. I hope this was merely his over-promotion of his tour and not a psychological/physiological problem.
great idea
John,
That is a great idea for both the advertisers and the people with large signatures of any kind. While they may be enamored of their sig the rest of us get very tired of scrolling past it when they post over and over in the same thread. Making a jpg or gif out of it and just attaching it to their first post in a thread is a thought too.
Hu
JB Cases said:
John,
That is a great idea for both the advertisers and the people with large signatures of any kind. While they may be enamored of their sig the rest of us get very tired of scrolling past it when they post over and over in the same thread. Making a jpg or gif out of it and just attaching it to their first post in a thread is a thought too.
Hu
IMO the best solution is to get rid of Bandwidth heavy Avatars and Signature lines.
Cut them all OFF. No one has them.... get rid of ALL of them. Equal treatment for everyone... no avatars no sig lines.... easy simple... and will work for everyone.
Or, just follow the rules.
Cut them all OFF. No one has them.... get rid of ALL of them. Equal treatment for everyone... no avatars no sig lines.... easy simple... and will work for everyone.
Or, just follow the rules.
I really don't have any problem at all with regular members of the forum advertising something that they are doing in their signature file.
But I do expect those ads to be in good taste and not completely obnoxious.
And when someone is told nicely that their sig file is a problem, please don't act like we all owe you the chance to hit people over the head with your sig file.
Mike
But I do expect those ads to be in good taste and not completely obnoxious.
And when someone is told nicely that their sig file is a problem, please don't act like we all owe you the chance to hit people over the head with your sig file.
Mike
