The way it really went down

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A couple things Im curious of after reading this WHOLE thread.

1) Does anyone believe Scott Frost would have $10,000 CASH to buy a truck BEFORE he played viffer?

2) Why are so many people who are not involved asking questions (and expecting answers)? IE Kickin Chicken.

3) Is it at all possible that Scott Frost could have been paid the $50,000 and just didnt tell anyone else? I read on a poker website that Scott was playing poker at Aria one day and lost a very large chunk of cash while completely intoxicated. (can be found on the 2+2 forums, dont have a link right now, it was last week or the week before when I read it)

4) If Scott WAS NOT stiffed, why would he look for viffer and rough him up? (only other reason is actually to try and rob the guy)

5) What does everyone think is MORE likely to have happened:
A) viffer stiffed everyone
B) Scott took $50,000 and didnt tell anyone about it and that money is now gone

Its already clear who the majority of people are leaning towards.

Billy I: Do you think there is any chance Scott would have stiffed you if he had $50,000 in his hands?

Id like to point out these are just things that came to mind, I know neither party. Reading above may seem to lean one way rather than the other but in all honesty, thats what came to my head reading all of the posts. I would say it is more likely that Scott was paid than viffer stiffed everyone.





WTF??? you asking questions to the people involved AFTER asking the people who weren't involved why they were asking questions since they were not involved in anyway............this thread is EPIC!!!!!!!


It's got nearly everyone talking in circles!!!!!!!!! :grin-square:
 
Originally Posted by Kickin' Chicken
Dave:

Please clarify for us, are you maintaining that you squared up the $50k payment for the 3rd set? And if so, can you once and for all provide us with a when, where, and who was there to witness and can confirm payment was made?

OR:

Are you saying for whatever reasons (Scott spitting, stomping, ball wetting, door opening, general dislike of Scott) that you do not wish to pay up for this debt?

And the final question:

Did you receive $10k from Bartram on behalf of Scott for the SUV purchase? Yes or No?






i have never claimed that i did not wish to pay my depts, dippy pays, find anyone besides scott frost that says i dont.

scott was payed, if he is moving on billy lenny and others thats between them,

i have nothing to hide,

as for the truck, lets just say i know someone that will be happy to donate a nice truck to a tourny some time in the future.

As for lenny, i will say this once again i have never made a bet with you, i have never done any thing bad to you, you are blindly listening to a scum bag.

im not hiding, i have nothing to hide, this will not affect my life at all.. it will afect all of yours and pool alot more,


good luck everyone,

Actually it won't affect our lives either. We get off on the entertainment. Every year there is someone else like you who pops up with a bunch of cash and makes all sorts of silly games. After a while the well dries up and then we wait for the next installment.

We all know that you bet more in poker - so what? There is more money in poker as anyone with money can sit down at a card table and there are millions of wannabes who can't beat Travis Trotter in pool who can sit in chair until they are broke or hit the lucky draw on the river once in while.

But as you found out you can't beat the best in the world in a game that requires real physical even with MONSTER spots that those same pros would not give to a lot of the amateurs on this forum for any amount of money.

So for all your money you are nothing in the pool world except another sucker who is good for the entertainment value.

MAYBE, just maybe next time you are at the poker table and someone is trash talking you and you go bust and want them to take your marker they might think about how you got your feelings hurt in a pool game and stiffed the other side for 60k.

There is nothing wrong with gambling in pool. That's not the problem. People like you who think that you are somehow better than everyone else because you have a little more money are the problem.

There are people reading this thread who can buy you a hundred times over. Don't act like you are the savior of pool. You're out there trying to steal just like every two-bit hustler by asking for the ridiculous spots.

And then when you think you have the nuts you find out you can't win anyway. No one breathing who can hit the cueball to the end rail should ever lose with the spots you get. Especially not a big time poker player who is supposed to be in control of his emotions.

So what if you got your feelings hurt.

Buy a table, get a coach, practice and come back in a month with the same spot and triple the bet and ROB all the pool players. But no, you're a crybaby. And honestly you're lucky that Scott wasn't being backed by some hard guys or you wouldn't be on this forum crying about your hurt feelings.

I thought poker players were tougher than this.
 
WTF??? you asking questions to the people involved AFTER asking the people who weren't involved why they were asking questions since they were not involved in anyway............this thread is EPIC!!!!!!!


It's got nearly everyone talking in circles!!!!!!!!! :grin-square:

I just said I was curious, I dont expect anything to be answered!

:)
Have a good weekend.
 
Edge

Where I disagree with you is that Scott did his job in all the crucial areas. He was able to get Dippy down and beat him for the max. and it wasn't because the way Scott handled himself that made Dippy quit, but it was the beating that Scott gave to him that not only took his cash but his heart as well. At the end of the session Dippy had realized that he gave Scott his best shot and Scott still was standing tall. Scott endured everything that Dippy put on him, including the bad hit claim, and still couldn't win. Dippy then probably said f--k it i'm done with this guy and did what he felt was best for Dippy. One thing is for sure, Scott didn't lose anything for playing as well and hard as he did, and Dippy didn't win anything for stiffing everyone. And when it is all over and done, that's when everyone will realze that the only winner here is Scott.

Arguing the bad hit was a good move on Dave's part, like you said anytime that a player can get an edge he does.. just like wetting the balls or putting things on the balls..same thing..just trying to get an edge--which is really just saying if you can get away with cheating then you do it.
 
i have never claimed that i did not wish to pay my depts, dippy pays, find anyone besides scott frost that says i dont.

scott was payed, if he is moving on billy lenny and others thats between them,

i have nothing to hide,

as for the truck, lets just say i know someone that will be happy to donate a nice truck to a tourny some time in the future.

As for lenny, i will say this once again i have never made a bet with you, i have never done any thing bad to you, you are blindly listening to a scum bag.

im not hiding, i have nothing to hide, this will not affect my life at all.. it will afect all of yours and pool alot more,


good luck everyone,

There you have it, Dippy said Scott was paid and Lenny, Billy and Scott are saying otherwise. What else can be accomplished in this thread..? There is no legal action that can take place and if no one can prove either way 100% then the only thing left to do is continue this online battle forever and give everyone something to read and reply to. I am sure that there will be a ton more posts stating the same thing and that is both sides are right or wrong, depending on what someone has read so far. As bad as this thread sounds, it will probably not hurt either player in the gambling world and its obviously not hurt Dave any because he has been matched up since then and im sure even though this was posted less than 24 hours ago there are lots of people that have heard about it in the gambling community before hand. The amount of people that have anything to gain by any of this can be counted on one hand (according to this thread) so what is the difference in what everyone else thinks.....will it change either side's point of view or decision..? Even though this has all basically run its course, I hope it continues because it keeps the aiming and apa threads off the main page.
 
Somebody please throw a beer can at the coop if there are any dramatic overnight developments like a sworn Dippy confession or a Samoan steel cage death match or Jay Helfert dressed up ninja-style in all black including his toupee in Vegas to boost the disputed SUV to sell for parts on eBay or if it turns out Bishop & Gingerbread man are actually IRS agents or....

Anything less monumental please dispose of your beer cans properly; I will catch up in the morning. :wink:

Good night.

Best,
Brian kc

I must say that I agree with KC.... I stayed up till 3AM for the Borana/OMGWTF deathmatch, but I don't have the stamina to stay up all night for this foolishness. But I will catch up in the morning! :grin:

For what it's worth. This thread is a great example of why I wouldn't ever get started gambling on anything. Way too much he said/she said. No such thing as "honor among thieves".

Good night. See you all on page 35 of this drama in the AM.
 
...BTW, I have been wanting to ask this question but forgot to ask it, in all the hoopla. What kind of cue stick does Dippy shoot with? Just curious! :)

The real question is what kind of aiming system Dippy uses: CTE, ghost-ball, fractional?
 
Some information that was shared with me years ago by a friend who's family business was lending money to people who the banks wouldn't touch and as a broker for sports betting. :wink:

A good customer is an extremely valuable asset, do your very best not to lose them.

If a good customer loses substantial money and then can't pay the last bill, give them time, or arrange payments...but don't lose a good customer being a asshole, a tough guy, and certainly not by posting the situation on the internet. It was said much earlier, it's bush league and has not only cost you all a really good customer, but has documented the entire incident for all to see.

In spite of all the glowing character testimonials, none of which is relevant to this particuliar incident, no one really knows everything that actually happened here except DD, because he is the only person that experienced everything that transpired with respect to his half of this dispute. The other side involves three parties, so no one party can be totally sure of what happened with the other two. All the other input in this thread, while mostly well meaning, is either partial, second hand, biased, speculation, or opinion.....surely nothing to base any final conclusion on.

Hope that this gets resolved in a manner where each party gets exactly what he is entitled to.

J
 
I agree

Some information that was shared with me years ago by a friend who's family business was lending money to people who the banks wouldn't touch and as a broker for sports betting. :wink:

A good customer is an extremely valuable asset, do your very best not to lose them.

If a good customer loses substantial money and then can't pay the last bill, give them time, or arrange payments...but don't lose a good customer being a asshole, a tough guy, and certainly not by posting the situation on the internet. It was said much earlier, it's bush league and has not only cost you all a really good customer, but has documented the entire incident for all to see.

In spite of all the glowing character testimonials, none of which is relevant to this particuliar incident, no one really knows everything that actually happened here except DD, because he is the only person that experienced everything that transpired with respect to his half of this dispute. The other side involves three parties, so no one party can be totally sure of what happened with the other two. All the other input in this thread, while mostly well meaning, is either partial, second hand, biased, speculation, or opinion.....surely nothing to base any final conclusion on.

Hope that this gets resolved in a manner where each party gets exactly what he is entitled to.

J

This is covered in Sports Booking 101.
 
Where I disagree with you is that Scott did his job in all the crucial areas. He was able to get Dippy down and beat him for the max. and it wasn't because the way Scott handled himself that made Dippy quit, but it was the beating that Scott gave to him that not only took his cash but his heart as well. At the end of the session Dippy had realized that he gave Scott his best shot and Scott still was standing tall. Scott endured everything that Dippy put on him, including the bad hit claim, and still couldn't win. Dippy then probably said f--k it i'm done with this guy and did what he felt was best for Dippy. One thing is for sure, Scott didn't lose anything for playing as well and hard as he did, and Dippy didn't win anything for stiffing everyone. And when it is all over and done, that's when everyone will realze that the only winner here is Scott.

I disagree with you here. How did Scott beat him for the Max? By acting like an idiot and making moves only cost him many future games with Dippy. He probably cost you future games and potential LARGE winnings as well. It sounds like Dippy enjoys playing pool against these champions for BIG money for enjoyment. Now if you turn his enjoyment into misery it can cost you 50k worth of winnings:D
 
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Ooops - thought it was the link to the pool thread on 2+2 - that's here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/viffer-taking-pool-greats-785695/

It's kinda cool to see all the poker players discussing pool. Some very insightful posts there. Most of them agree that the skill level in pool is way higher and also the reason why the money is way lower.

I like how they think of players who are just donating. Dead Money.

More dead money in poker because 80% of the players think that they can beat 80% of the players.

I bet stiffing people over trash talk at the table doesn't go down so well in poker though. I think it's hilarious that a poker player would complain about sharking.
 
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I disagree with you here. How did Scott beat him for the Max? By acting like an idiot and making moves only cost him many future games with Dippy. He probably cost you future games and potential LARGE winnings as well. It sounds like Dippy enjoys playing pool against these champions for BIG money for enjoyment. Now if you turn his enjoyment into misery it can cost you 50k worth of winnings:D

Well, in retrospect it probably could have been done better. I'm thinking one of those squirting neckties like in the magic store. Put a couple of pool balls on there to make it look natural like a pool necktie, then reach under it and spray a little Gatorade on the balls when you're racking.
 

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LOL! Who gives a shit about a rolex is my question. OOOOHHHHH wow a watch where the hand moves but doesnt actually "tick" wwoooowww! LOL
 
??????????For Billy??????????????????

I know 50+ is a lot of money but would not the smart thing to do is cool off and play this guy later for 75+ ever if it was air on your end. You and Scott killed your action, he has no chance in the long run against a top player. If he payed of ever other set its better action/money than most players ever see. He had no chance and now he will never play either of you. Just a thought????????????????????????????????????? and a question?
 
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