Why can't we commend these players for a great match-up?I'm sure some ohter day corey will beat shane.All this b.s. talk about how shane is better than corey is making me sick.Stop this negativity or there won't be another tourny like this.
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i think a neutral rack boy needs to be used, Shane had it all figured out he made at least 2 balls on the break everytime and the 1 ball was in the same spot everytime. Shane did make an adjustment on day 2 with where he placed the balls in the rack. He had it figured out so good he was unbeatable, it made him look better than he is. It was a gaff rack everytime.
Even Cory had it figured out as well, the only difference was he didnt hit the 1 as square or as hard and would get balls tied up but he made the 2nd ball in the side 85% of the time. It was a gaff rack for him too.
The solution is a neutral rack boy, not someone who has a favorite that might put a slug or two on a guy to change things but someone 100% on the square and put the 1 and the 10 in their correct positions and let the rest of the balls be random then the game would be a better game and closer. Rack fixing dosent make game fair. I aint mad at either of them and I would fix my racks too if I was in their position so I'm not fingering them but just suggesting a better format that would level the game a bit no matter who was playing for that matter. Rack fixing for yourself is like slugging your opponent it takes away from the game, not that I havent racked alot of slugs. i break so bad its impossible to fix or slug my racks but thats another sad story i'll spare everyone from.
Even Cory had it figured out as well, the only difference was he didnt hit the 1 as square or as hard and would get balls tied up but he made the 2nd ball in the side 85% of the time. It was a gaff rack for him too.
The solution is a neutral rack boy, not someone who has a favorite that might put a slug or two on a guy to change things but someone 100% on the square and put the 1 and the 10 in their correct positions and let the rest of the balls be random then the game would be a better game and closer. Rack fixing dosent make game fair. I aint mad at either of them and I would fix my racks too if I was in their position so I'm not fingering them but just suggesting a better format that would level the game a bit no matter who was playing for that matter. Rack fixing for yourself is like slugging your opponent it takes away from the game, not that I havent racked alot of slugs. i break so bad its impossible to fix or slug my racks but thats another sad story i'll spare everyone from.
jimmy i totally understand what you are trying to say.the spectators and fans have probably made more ridiculous statements than either corey or shane have.that being said,all of this hoopla,woofin and bickering is what causes so much interest in these match ups.if nobody but shane or corey cares who wins then this may have never went off.jimmy-leggs said:
Southpaw said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
corvette1340 said:
That doesn't make sense. So if Shane plays Corey again, but it's rack your own 9ball, and Corey manipulates the rack in a fashion where he makes a ball every time and gets shape on the 1 every time, how in the hell is anyone supposed to beat him?
I could compare what you're saying to Corey getting all the breaks, and ball in hand after the break against Shane. If Shane beats Corey at that, then he is truly a better player than Corey. The only problem is nobody can beat Corey at that game.
Quit trying to give Corey such a huge edge. Forget the rack mechanic BS. Shane isn't cocky about his win. You guys are cocky about Corey's loss.
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Shawn Armstrong said:
That's not really a fair assessment. First, each game is different. Secondly if someone wants to gamble at one game then that is their prerogative. You don't see anyone telling Federer he's a chump because he won't play ping pong or badminton.
The Action Challenge is simply a very public and structured competition between two players who have negotiated the game, the rules, the stake, the conditions, and the venue. Each one could be different depending on what the players want to do and how far their backers will go.
In any case Shane has proven that he can win big events, with the 10 Ball title and proven he can fade the pressure of a very public heads up game against a true champion.
He doesn't have to chase everyone around the country now. They know he will play, they know how to reach him, and Chad and Justin will explain the negotiation environment.
I think all this talking about it is great though. Reminds me of the debates that rage when heavyweight fights happen.
Anyone who wants to play Shane should just get in touch with him. If he wants to play then begin negotiations. If not then it's only no deal.
We ALL need to remember that Corey and Corey's team were equally involved in choosing the game, the conditions, the stake, and so on.
I predict that prety much everyone will at some point get accommodated at the game they feel they are best at.
I said that I feel that Shane Van Boeing is the generation's Buddy Hall in my opinion. Part of being that person is that you seek to be the king of the pack by taking on all comers. And I think Shane will do that, in a controlled way according to his own sense of being ready.
Rack your own 9 ball is a game just like rack your own 10 ball is. They both take a level of skill albeit somewhat different skills. Shane manipulated the rack to give him the best layout after his break playing 10 ball, how is that different than CD being able to manipulate his 9 ball rack to benefit himself? Shane is hardly a skunk playing 9 ball and this would not be a foregone conclusion as some seem to think if they played RYO 9 ball. I'm sure CD isn't the only player capable of breaking to a pattern.cuetechasaurus said:
As I am typing this I am watching the World Summit of Pool. Guess who won the winner bracket playing 9 ball: you guessed it, SVB.
I guess what I am trying to get at is......if you asked Shane if he thought he would win playing CD this way he would probably like his chances. Why not play other games not just 10 ball and see how it pans out????
cuetechasaurus said:
lol, so the fact that Shane was playing HIS game on HIS home turf and was making the same two balls in the same two pockets every time isnt the exact same thing? Gimme a break. Shane beat Corey at Shane's game in "the action challenge" so now give Corey a chance to play Shane a game that he prefers. It's not like Shane has never played 9 ball, or racked 9 ball for that matter. It's just like Brian White stated in his previous post. The fact that Shane had a shot on the one every game is why he won and that is the way it should be. The reason Corey beats everyone at rack your own 9 ball is because he always gets a shot on the one or lowest ball.
I doubt this will go off. Only a filipino would think of playing Shane 10-ball right now and even Shane might not want to try and fade Coreys' racking magic. When people see Corey run out the same pattern a couple times in a row off a half speed break, its hard to take.
Either 10-Ball at Coreys home room or some kind of half nine ball, half ten ball match is the only way I see it happening.
100k$ ???
Now THIS is something that people might want to watch. Put it on after poker and allow the woofing and see if people don't prefer that to the same old ESPN programs.
Either 10-Ball at Coreys home room or some kind of half nine ball, half ten ball match is the only way I see it happening.
100k$ ???
Now THIS is something that people might want to watch. Put it on after poker and allow the woofing and see if people don't prefer that to the same old ESPN programs.
John Barton
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Controlling the break is definitely where it's at. I remember being bored to tears as Corey cruised to a $25,000 payday in "Sudden Death 7 - Ball"
Why? Because he soft broke the balls perfectly and made two balls on each break and had a cosmo layout every time. I think Allen Hopkins nearly fell out of his chair when Corey "almost" came up dry on the break ONCE.
Meanwhile his opponents were pounding the racks and getting inconsistent results. Result: Corey won 90%+ of the racks he broke and probably better than 50% of the racks he didn't break in.
In this case Corey was the odds on favorite to be the better breaker BECAUSE of his reputed knowledge of all forms of the break. But Shane simply outbroke him and that was that.
Also Shane outplayed Corey by NOT dogging shots. Grady or Billy said that Corey said he was just missing too much.
So, let's not try and make it seem as though there was any gaff going on. Both players played on a brand new table. They both had every opportunity that the other had. It MUST be assumed that Corey Duell knows every trick with the rack and more about breaking than Shane Van Boeing does simply by virtue of greater experience at this point.
So if that knowledge didn't come together in the form of perfect execution it's not Shane's fault. He did come with his best game and it was enough to win convincingly against a champion.
Why? Because he soft broke the balls perfectly and made two balls on each break and had a cosmo layout every time. I think Allen Hopkins nearly fell out of his chair when Corey "almost" came up dry on the break ONCE.
Meanwhile his opponents were pounding the racks and getting inconsistent results. Result: Corey won 90%+ of the racks he broke and probably better than 50% of the racks he didn't break in.
In this case Corey was the odds on favorite to be the better breaker BECAUSE of his reputed knowledge of all forms of the break. But Shane simply outbroke him and that was that.
Also Shane outplayed Corey by NOT dogging shots. Grady or Billy said that Corey said he was just missing too much.
So, let's not try and make it seem as though there was any gaff going on. Both players played on a brand new table. They both had every opportunity that the other had. It MUST be assumed that Corey Duell knows every trick with the rack and more about breaking than Shane Van Boeing does simply by virtue of greater experience at this point.
So if that knowledge didn't come together in the form of perfect execution it's not Shane's fault. He did come with his best game and it was enough to win convincingly against a champion.
Hey Fatboy if you can make it next weekend, say Sunday evening Grady's new place and his tournament are not to far from Hotlanta and you can meet a few nice AZer's like me and maybe easy e so think about coming up for a cold one.--Leonard
I agree but
I agree their needs to be a neutral rack person but I think that it is ridiculous that nine and ten ball don't have set orders for the balls. "Random" is only as random as someone wants it to be and there are always questions when one person gets better ball positions after the break than the other one. In a gambling match like this I think that they should agree on a ball order and a rack person and roll with it. Either player can demand a rerack or a new racker if they aren't happy.
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Fatboy said:
I agree their needs to be a neutral rack person but I think that it is ridiculous that nine and ten ball don't have set orders for the balls. "Random" is only as random as someone wants it to be and there are always questions when one person gets better ball positions after the break than the other one. In a gambling match like this I think that they should agree on a ball order and a rack person and roll with it. Either player can demand a rerack or a new racker if they aren't happy.
Hu
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Jimk said:
That's not betting - that's stealing - well only half stealing as the other side is stupid to bet on past events so he is donating.
chris bartram said:
Wasting your time? You're the one who started this conversation. It's up to Shane, not me, what game he wants to play. I respect my player, unlike some people who mouth off on here.
Go back to Dallas and get a job man. Now that I see your true colors, I don't like your future as a pool player. You're heading in the wrong direction fast. I recommend you read Shane's post to find out what a man sounds like.
You sound like just another crybaby now. You must have been in on the game with Corey. Too bad, but don't blame it on me.
By the way, they played rack your own in this match, and you guys loved it, didn't you.
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You know I'm getting a little sick of all the whining I'm hearing on here, after the fact. EVERYONE thought Corey was the favorite before the match, and now all the same people are looking for an excuse why he got beat!
He got beat because he got outplayed from tee to green. Kind of a Tiger Woods beatdown. The game was fair for both players. Shane didn't have to make any kind of moves except to play better pool. That is the name of the game, isn't it?
Shane has nothing to prove! He already did! Corey lost to a better player, it's that simple. If Corey wants his crown back, let him get it the same way he lost it. Shane will continue to test himself against other top players. He may win some and he may lose some, but I guarantee he won't be crying about it when he loses. He'll muscle up and try to find a way to win next time.
He got beat because he got outplayed from tee to green. Kind of a Tiger Woods beatdown. The game was fair for both players. Shane didn't have to make any kind of moves except to play better pool. That is the name of the game, isn't it?
Shane has nothing to prove! He already did! Corey lost to a better player, it's that simple. If Corey wants his crown back, let him get it the same way he lost it. Shane will continue to test himself against other top players. He may win some and he may lose some, but I guarantee he won't be crying about it when he loses. He'll muscle up and try to find a way to win next time.
I agree with Jay, the best player won. Everyone thought Cory was a lock, and Shane proved most everyone wrong. It was a great match, Cory battled back the first day to get it close, but Shane took off and never looked back. They both played outstanding, but Shane played better. If Shane plays like this who can keep pace with him? It was like he was running a marathon at the rate of 4 minutes a mile.
